Quoted from alveolus:

Beyond just an integrity check, CGC will have to decide if the revenue earned from the sell of the toppers will be offset by the cost of lost future LE sales to the collectors/FOMO susceptible, as well as any net loss in customer satisfaction/goodwill.

Quoted from 2manypins:

Can you make it in chrome?

Quoted from Doug_Duba:

As publicly announced at launch, we have not decided if we will sell the Wild West Shootout Topper separately. I have had related discussions with most of our dealers and a number of customers. I will provide a clear answer on topper sales within the next two days. I fully recognize either decision will result in a number of people being upset.
Resale value of our games is important to us which is why we haven’t released LE features on previous projects. This is the first time an LE feature has affected the experience of game play which is why this decision requires additional consideration.
We work hard to deliver great product at fair prices to people that love pinball. I am troubled by scalpers and a few dealers holding back inventory to later sell at a higher price. In the future, we will do a better job getting LEs to loyal customers at intended prices. A number of your suggestions were helpful and will be used.
It takes great effort and a large amount of capital to develop and manufacture pinball machines. Many days of my life and the lives of all of our team members went into this project. We could have shipped CCr nearly a year ago but took the additional time to make this game to the very best of our collective abilities. Hopefully this effort is apparent. Because we have expended the effort and risk the capital we are afforded the right to make decisions on how we sell our products.
I appreciate having the opportunity to read most everyone’s opinion on both sides, it has been helpful. I need to disregard the few posts that border on bullying as I believe they are not representative of the pinball community.

Quoted from Doug_Duba:

As publicly announced at launch, we have not decided if we will sell the Wild West Shootout Topper separately. I have had related discussions with most of our dealers and a number of customers. I will provide a clear answer on topper sales within the next two days. I fully recognize either decision will result in a number of people being upset.
Resale value of our games is important to us which is why we haven’t released LE features on previous projects. This is the first time an LE feature has affected the experience of game play which is why this decision requires additional consideration.
We work hard to deliver great product at fair prices to people that love pinball. I am troubled by scalpers and a few dealers holding back inventory to later sell at a higher price. In the future, we will do a better job getting LEs to loyal customers at intended prices. A number of your suggestions were helpful and will be used.
It takes great effort and a large amount of capital to develop and manufacture pinball machines. Many days of my life and the lives of all of our team members went into this project. We could have shipped CCr nearly a year ago but took the additional time to make this game to the very best of our collective abilities. Hopefully this effort is apparent. Because we have expended the effort and risk the capital we are afforded the right to make decisions on how we sell our products.
I appreciate having the opportunity to read most everyone’s opinion on both sides, it has been helpful. I need to disregard the few posts that border on bullying as I believe they are not representative of the pinball community.

Quoted from Doug_Duba:

As publicly announced at launch, we have not decided if we will sell the Wild West Shootout Topper separately. I have had related discussions with most of our dealers and a number of customers. I will provide a clear answer on topper sales within the next two days. I fully recognize either decision will result in a number of people being upset.
Resale value of our games is important to us which is why we haven’t released LE features on previous projects. This is the first time an LE feature has affected the experience of game play which is why this decision requires additional consideration.
We work hard to deliver great product at fair prices to people that love pinball. I am troubled by scalpers and a few dealers holding back inventory to later sell at a higher price. In the future, we will do a better job getting LEs to loyal customers at intended prices. A number of your suggestions were helpful and will be used.
It takes great effort and a large amount of capital to develop and manufacture pinball machines. Many days of my life and the lives of all of our team members went into this project. We could have shipped CCr nearly a year ago but took the additional time to make this game to the very best of our collective abilities. Hopefully this effort is apparent. Because we have expended the effort and risk the capital we are afforded the right to make decisions on how we sell our products.
I appreciate having the opportunity to read most everyone’s opinion on both sides, it has been helpful. I need to disregard the few posts that border on bullying as I believe they are not representative of the pinball community.

Quoted from Doug_Duba:

As publicly announced at launch, we have not decided if we will sell the Wild West Shootout Topper separately. I have had related discussions with most of our dealers and a number of customers. I will provide a clear answer on topper sales within the next two days. I fully recognize either decision will result in a number of people being upset.
Resale value of our games is important to us which is why we haven’t released LE features on previous projects. This is the first time an LE feature has affected the experience of game play which is why this decision requires additional consideration.
We work hard to deliver great product at fair prices to people that love pinball. I am troubled by scalpers and a few dealers holding back inventory to later sell at a higher price. In the future, we will do a better job getting LEs to loyal customers at intended prices. A number of your suggestions were helpful and will be used.
It takes great effort and a large amount of capital to develop and manufacture pinball machines. Many days of my life and the lives of all of our team members went into this project. We could have shipped CCr nearly a year ago but took the additional time to make this game to the very best of our collective abilities. Hopefully this effort is apparent. Because we have expended the effort and risk the capital we are afforded the right to make decisions on how we sell our products.
I appreciate having the opportunity to read most everyone’s opinion on both sides, it has been helpful. I need to disregard the few posts that border on bullying as I believe they are not representative of the pinball community.

Quoted from underlord:

Folks enjoy the value of these items also. Please don't discount or minimize that fact. I'm one of them. I enjoy fixing more than playing. I enjoy that my hard earned repairs or upgrades of my pins can yield monetary returns later.
I think you are wearing a darker shade of glasses here. There are great folks here that seem like whiners or complainers but they are not one dimensional.
I respect your pov as much as theirs. so theres that.
Complaining to some is educational to others. I enjoy everyone's opinion...unless it's not like mine. Then they can just die alone.

Quoted from Doug_Duba:

As publicly announced at launch, we have not decided if we will sell the Wild West Shootout Topper separately. I have had related discussions with most of our dealers and a number of customers. I will provide a clear answer on topper sales within the next two days. I fully recognize either decision will result in a number of people being upset.
Resale value of our games is important to us which is why we haven’t released LE features on previous projects. This is the first time an LE feature has affected the experience of game play which is why this decision requires additional consideration.
We work hard to deliver great product at fair prices to people that love pinball. I am troubled by scalpers and a few dealers holding back inventory to later sell at a higher price. In the future, we will do a better job getting LEs to loyal customers at intended prices. A number of your suggestions were helpful and will be used.
It takes great effort and a large amount of capital to develop and manufacture pinball machines. Many days of my life and the lives of all of our team members went into this project. We could have shipped CCr nearly a year ago but took the additional time to make this game to the very best of our collective abilities. Hopefully this effort is apparent. Because we have expended the effort and risk the capital we are afforded the right to make decisions on how we sell our products.
I appreciate having the opportunity to read most everyone’s opinion on both sides, it has been helpful. I need to disregard the few posts that border on bullying as I believe they are not representative of the pinball community.

Quoted from tallkid84:

The major difference there is your pin is increasing in value due to the work you are directly putting into it, not by trying to make sure no one else can get something they want for their pin so yours stays more "exclusive" and increases in value. Again, I understand the arguments being made here at face value, and not saying they aren't valid to some extent. If the company said they were making 'x' number of LEs, and that was someone's main reason for buying it, I can see that person being upset. At the same time, I think people making those arguments need to check how their stance on this issue completely clashes with their stance on the other issues in the pin world I mentioned in my post. I think threatening to sue over it is a joke. I think some complaining didn't even order to begin with. I think many complaining still wouldn't cancel their order and "put their money where there mouth is". And most of all, I think there is a huge difference between someone's mindset who buys an LE because THEY want something special for THEMSELVES vs. someone who buys an LE because OTHER PEOPLE won't be able to get it and they can feel special. And you can see in the replies in this thread the former people who really don't care if they produce more, vs the latter who are throwing a fit. I think those latter people are likely crappy people in general, and it probably shows in other avenues of their life as well. They're basically fulfilling their ego by bringing others down, rather than just bringing themselves up. More of a general life philosophy then just pinball related.
Nor am I minimizing that pins are expensive and people should be proud/enjoy that fact and wish for them to maintain that value. It's obvious a majority of pin purchasers wind up having to sell old pins to finance their new ones because it is an expensive hobby. The fact is though, pins already do maintain their value. Used pins are selling for more than NIB of the same make and model just because supply is what it is vs. demand, not to mention long production times and people just not wanting to wait. It's a bogus argument based on a premise that isn't reflective of reality. And many making that argument openly acknowledge this in other threads like I pointed out. The "pin bubble bursting" threads alone show this numerous times. It's not so much an argument as veiled attempt to hide their selfishness or ulterior motives for their purchase other than for the enjoyment of the pin.
I appreciate your reply, and will agree reading a variety of opinions on any topic is a good thing. The more people voicing opinions, the more we can all learn. What I don't like are the amount of definitive statements like "this will bankrupt the company if they do this, they'll never recover!", the idle threats of lawsuits or "I'll never buy from them again!", and really most of all, the rampant hypocrisy. It's a drag man, and it feels more like Facebook then the Pinside msg board.

Quoted from RA77:

Im sad to see all this drama and so much energy wasted on CCr toppergate.
Looking forward to CGC closing this matter once and for all.

Quoted from Doug_Duba:

I will provide a clear answer on topper sales within the next two days. I fully recognize either decision will result in a number of people being upset.

Quoted from Doug_Duba:

I appreciate having the opportunity to read most everyone’s opinion on both sides, it has been helpful. I need to disregard the few posts that border on bullying as I believe they are not representative of the pinball community.

Quoted from tallkid84:

The major difference there is your pin is increasing in value due to the work you are directly putting into it, not by trying to make sure no one else can get something they want for their pin so yours stays more "exclusive" and increases in value. Again, I understand the arguments being made here at face value, and not saying they aren't valid to some extent. If the company said they were making 'x' number of LEs, and that was someone's main reason for buying it, I can see that person being upset. At the same time, I think people making those arguments need to check how their stance on this issue completely clashes with their stance on the other issues in the pin world I mentioned in my post. I think threatening to sue over it is a joke. I think some complaining didn't even order to begin with. I think many complaining still wouldn't cancel their order and "put their money where there mouth is". And most of all, I think there is a huge difference between someone's mindset who buys an LE because THEY want something special for THEMSELVES vs. someone who buys an LE because OTHER PEOPLE won't be able to get it and they can feel special. And you can see in the replies in this thread the former people who really don't care if they produce more, vs the latter who are throwing a fit. I think those latter people are likely crappy people in general, and it probably shows in other avenues of their life as well. They're basically fulfilling their ego by bringing others down, rather than just bringing themselves up. More of a general life philosophy then just pinball related.
Nor am I minimizing that pins are expensive and people should be proud/enjoy that fact and wish for them to maintain that value. It's obvious a majority of pin purchasers wind up having to sell old pins to finance their new ones because it is an expensive hobby. The fact is though, pins already do maintain their value. Used pins are selling for more than NIB of the same make and model just because supply is what it is vs. demand, not to mention long production times and people just not wanting to wait. It's a bogus argument based on a premise that isn't reflective of reality. And many making that argument openly acknowledge this in other threads like I pointed out. The "pin bubble bursting" threads alone show this numerous times. It's not so much an argument as veiled attempt to hide their selfishness or ulterior motives for their purchase other than for the enjoyment of the pin.
I appreciate your reply, and will agree reading a variety of opinions on any topic is a good thing. The more people voicing opinions, the more we can all learn. What I don't like are the amount of definitive statements like "this will bankrupt the company if they do this, they'll never recover!", the idle threats of lawsuits or "I'll never buy from them again!", and really most of all, the rampant hypocrisy. It's a drag man, and it feels more like Facebook then the Pinside msg board.

Quoted from hockeymag8:

SE will be ordered here if that topper gets the yes nod.

Quoted from zpinman370:

Are you kidding me?? We are all lined up like lemmings ready to jump as soon as they say hey we have the next game and please take our $$$$.
What I was told by my distributor is that the richy rich guys who buy ALL the LE's from all the manufacturer's get first dibs on this one as well even though i was on the radar as soon as the next CGC game was rumored. I can only afford to buy a NIB about once every couple years and counted myself lucky to get a MBrLE and a MMRE but alas not a CCrLE.
What has become apparent, is that pinball is now becoming the playground for the well healed, if you dare want to buy an LE or anything the least bit desirable, and loyalty to brand is out the window.
Just like everything now , it's who know, who you blow and deep pockets rule

Quoted from tp:

When will the first standards reach owners and distributors?

Quoted from tp:

When will the first standards reach owners and distributors?

Quoted from Roon:

How many people will cancel their order on the SE when CGC decides not to produce additional toppers ? I wonder...

Quoted from Tranquilize:

The description was:
"Wild West Shootout Topper (Limited Edition Only)"

Myself, I'd see this as a major hit to Chicago's integrity. Don't do LEs if you don't want them to be LEs. I wanted a MM Royal and I don't have one.

Quoted from hiker2099:

What would you think of this? Happy middle ground?
I know this is probably too late for production.... But what if the SE came with the normal bart topper and Yall make the same topper but with a bionic bart for the LE models? Not sure if this is doable?

Quoted from cooked71:

From what was said in the presentation and CgC’s posts on here, sounds like offering the topper afterwards has always been on the table. To me the wording in that screenshot that’s been posted means that the only the LE has topper included. Nowhere does it say the topper is exclusive to the LE. In fact the wording then goes on to say the topper is “included” with the LE.
You guys have just made the assumption it’s exclusive to the LE.

Quoted from Tranquilize:

"Wild West Shootout Topper (Limited Edition Only)"
How is this ambiguous? When have they offered the toppers in the past? What is the big difference in the models without topper exclusivity? Everything else can be added. To me, the intention is crystal clear. If they go back on it, it's bad business. I'm positive they know this, but they may bow to pressure, which would be a bad decision. JJP is suffering consequences for their "change the rules as we go" treatment of the market.

Quoted from vintage4life:

That’s what keeps the hobby alive for a lot of people. Think if you lost thousands of dollars on every game you sold because the market was so saturated. None of us would be selling and buying new pins. This hobby is awesome because once you build up a few pins you can buy sell and trade without losing. That’s what has kept me going in it for so long. I try and enjoy it all. I’m in for an Le and I can’t wait!

Quoted from cmdestin:

I found an LE after I put down deposit on SE ‍♂️
Yes I’m an impatient idiot.

Quoted from Only_Pinball:

I think if the do sell the topper then they won't get the FOMO sales on the next LE.

Quoted from arcademojo:

Fat chance. Does Stern include a topper on LE's NOPE!!! But they still sell out.

Quoted from Doug_Duba:

I am troubled by scalpers and a few dealers holding back inventory to later sell at a higher price. In the future, we will do a better job getting LEs to loyal customers at intended prices. A number of your suggestions were helpful and will be used.

Quoted from arcademojo:

Fat chance. Does Stern include a topper on LE's NOPE!!! But they still sell out.

Quoted from Tranquilize:

"Wild West Shootout Topper (Limited Edition Only)"
How is this ambiguous? When have they offered the toppers in the past? What is the big difference in the models without topper exclusivity? Everything else can be added. To me, the intention is crystal clear. If they go back on it, it's bad business. I'm positive they know this, but they may bow to pressure, which would be a bad decision. JJP is suffering consequences for their "change the rules as we go" treatment of the market.

Quoted from Only_Pinball:

sales on the next LE. What's the motivation to jump right in?

Quoted from JSC:

Not an issue to me as long as distributors let people switch to SE without some kind of penalty. More importantly, please also release the AFM topper! If that’s too wishful thinking, some kind of variant will do.

Quoted from cooked71:

I don’t think anyones backing out of an LE because the topper was also released for the SE. There’d be 10 people lined up for every one that backed out.