its a topper ! enough already ....

It's a forum. And a CCr thread at that. Dude, we are actually staying on topic!!

EXACTLY. This is a hype thread. And bottom line is this:

CGC WILL DO WHATEVER THEY ARE GOING TO DO. NO AMOUNT OF WHINING OR BITCHING WILL CHANGE THAT. REPEATING THE SAME THING OVER AND OVER WILL NOT CHANGE THAT.

May as well sit back and wait and talk about the amazing fact that many people will now be able to enjoy a once very very rare game. Thank you CGC!!

Sorry to all the people that got the LE and don't want the Topper to be sold to SE owners . Bottom line if they are going to sell it separately (they will if they want to ) Sad for the LE owners not to let others have the full experience of the integrated topper as well!

Perfect example of cutting out more than one model only approach!

That is what I’m doing also. I’m not sure how many people feel this way, but I think CGC could be losing out on quite a few orders with the model they came up with on this game. In my opinion, they should have made the se the classic, made the le the standard (minus the apron, sculpts, powder coat, shaker, but with the topper) and then made a 15k LE with the apron, sculpts, chrome trim, free Lyman software upgrade when ready, and whatever else they could put on it.

100% agree with you on the one model approach. And for CGC just be up front with their buyers. I'm not upset about SE buyers getting a shot at the topper. I'm upset that I can't make an informed decision on what to buy with CGC's bullshit line of maybe it will be available. I am buying the LE strictly for the topper. I don't care about a wooden apron.

But, would you feel it's ok for Stern to start selling their LE backglasses to premium buyers?

sure if I wanted to purchase one and they would sell me one .... non issue!

The model for CCr is the same as that for AFMr and MBr, just no classic.

Your proposed super trim level doesn’t make sense because CGC doesn’t even know what the “extra code + something else” kit will include, let alone cost.

The vast majority of those who say they won’t buy CCr unless they can get a topper clearly don’t really want to own Cactus Canyon in the first place.

Any ideas on production runs? When they will begin? It may have been said already earlier in this thread.

I’m in on an LE

So wishing for having time to evaluate a product and still have the best version available is .....

"be careful what you wish for"

The vast majority (is my guess) dont want to buy a product that is a worse and lesser deal, just because they didnt want to decide before seeing said product.

You can argue all you want for benefit for early bird or whatever, but atleast for me, i´d rather pass then feeling a got a lesser product or a worse deal.

- Sorry you werent fast enough to get a good deal., but you can have a lesser product and a crap deal. Seems great?

Think i´ll pass, but maybe it´s just me.

wishing for having time to evaluate a product and still have the best version available is .....

Unrealistic at this time unfortunately.

I had the same issue with the new car I just bought. I couldn't see or test drive the model/trim level I was looking to buy as there are none available due to manufacturing issues. I based my decision on the manufacturer's track record and previous personal experience and ordered it anyway. Took 4 months to get it.

We, as customers shouldn´t accept it and it´s a bad buissness model if you have a really great product.

I get what you are saying but unfortunately you are in the minority. Plenty of other people will gladly take a chance. It's a personal choice really.

While you see it as a bad business model I think CGC's business is doing quite well. They sell quality products at comparable prices to the other manufacturers.

Their offering of a limited version is no different than what Stern/JJP/Spooky/Haggis are doing.

In my case, it’s not that I don’t want to own a CCr, it’s that a Godzilla is more appealing to me than a topperless CCr. But I’d take a CCrle over Godzilla if I could get one. I am on the secondary list, which I don’t really have much hope for, but if I get moved up, I am going to order it. As far as my proposal for a super trim level, yes. I don’t have all the details on what that would be. That’s would be up to them to figure out. I don’t care what happens, I’ll be fine either way.

Yea, maybe i am.
I still think CGC would have sold more games of for example AFM LE if it was unlimited. Now with all their games, you have the early birds and the known reserved buyers getting LE games and then you sell a bit more standard games.

The more games that are out there the better for the pinball enthusiasts and the worse for the speculators.

I think for most manufacturers the standard version sell the least, esp if you cater to huo.

The lack of clarity on the code updates is hampering my excitement on this one. Seems like an obvious feature worth highlighting, and the lack of that makes me think the updates are going to be a lot more modest or cost much more than I was hoping for. It should just be included and it doesn't even really seem planned out. Very few people who get CCR will pass on the code updates so it's almost like a built-in obligation to spend more after the fact. Meh.... I look forward to playing it on location!

This is all rather sad. I wish pinball was more about the joy of playing the games versus what the game may be worth in the future.

I'm not in this fight because I can't afford any more pinball machines, but let's face it . . . that CCrLE topper is one of the best toppers ever! Would CCrLE buyers be okay with it if sometime next year CGC offered it separately for $2,000 (or maybe even higher)? The LE would be the better deal, but SE buyers would at least get to enjoy the cool topper. LE buyers opposed to this would seem to be like the BBB owners who hope CGC never remakes their rare game.

Like it or not... Its a $9,500 game that is being marketed by the manufacturer as a limited edition. I am not someone that is going to flip the machine. That's not why I jumped in on it. I got the LE strictly because of the topper. If the topper is available for the SE, I'd just go that route. I don't need a collector plate or a wooden apron. Even though they do look pretty cool! If the LE was unlimited and was the only trim level that contained the topper, I'd still get an LE. I don't care about scarcity. I just think it stinks that they aren't up front with what direction either model is going (be it the new code (not Lymans, but what is currently shipped) or the add ons). CGC are the ones that decided to launch at expo and just seem like they were completely unprepared.

CGC just announced the working relationship with Lyman and Josh. Good code takes time to develop. I’m not surprised at all that we don’t know more.

We do know the announced game includes both the original (unfinished) code and enhanced code that completes the original gameplay as the Williams team intended. If that’s not good enough, don’t buy one. Anything that might come after is a bonus. Buy a game for what it is, not what it might become.

Maybe they should make a different topper for the SE owners. Easy peasy.

I agree with 99% of what you're saying here. Unfortunately, as long as there are clowns lining up willing to pay a 5k additional premium like the LE that sold yesterday, manufacturers can pretty much get away with anything. Their business model won't matter.

My deposit email from PPS said LE shipping in January.
Also, Topper! Just because

CGC has indicates that LE's will 'start' shipping in January ... depending on allocation rotation, where customers are on any list, etc, your mileage may vary greatly on when you receive your game ... just setting expectations!

The hobby is what you make of it. If you want to just play pinball go to a location and play! If you want a basic game in your house, buy one. If you are into collecting do what it takes to get an LE.

The communication from PPS has been absolutely fantastic. What a night and day experience compared to some of the other distros I've purchased from. Sara is awesome!! Deposit paid, and happy to be in on an LE!

Noted! Appreciate the clarification

Im not writing this to be a smart butt.... can someone explain the whole mini game regarding the topper?? In australia the le is $3k more - which is about 50% more pro rata than what the usa market will pay between tg se & le.

I think toppers are generally pretty tacky, only reason i am even procrastinating on it is due to the mini game feature. Is it actually a fun addition??

wonder why no commnets

I'm waiting on getting a confirmation from PPS that they received my deposit. PP shows that I've made payment, but I haven't heard anything from PPS.

Looks fun to me. Think of it like the old shooting gallery games. Windows light up with good guys/gals and bad guys. Use left or right flipper to select your shot (addressable RGB strip on topper illuminates the shot I think) then both flippers to shoot the bad guy. Hitting a bad guy will then light up a skull and cross bones in the window.

Also, Bart on the topper is like a bash toy how he moves when hit.

Your company's clarity, prompt communication and friendliness towards us all on Pinside made us customers for life.

So here's a question...I was fortunate enought to get a MB LE when they came out. Not sure how I "snuck in" but I paid the regular price, got it from a distributor as soon as it came out and I enjoy the game. My question is - how do I get onto the future list so I get an opportunity at LE's? I bought an Avenger's but had to pay extra. I couldn't get onto the JP list and it seems I have missed CC. Any suggestions?

Also, does anyone know of anyone who still has CC LE's?

Thanks.

Someone apparently wasn’t around in the early MMr/coin mech days.

Rick still has me on ignore many years after the fact. Sara is awesome!

It has been nice to see that PPS has significantly improved clarity and timeliness of communication.

Any educated guesses as to CGC’s production capacity?

My wholly uneducated O/U is 20/week.

They usually run 60 -75 units a week when going full force ....

Spooky can hit 40 per week. CGC probably has the ability to maintain their own production line for CCr and release another title (probably a 10 to 20 game per week production line for the secondary title, I think benheck has a game coming and I read on pinsire that spooky has contracted work for CGC for some future title with a license that is very large, not sure how true the latter is).

I bet they can hit 75 games per week, at least do as well as spooky fully ramped up.

How limited editions are handled vary between the different manufacturers and distributors. There isn’t some global industry LE list. PPS is considered by many to be the pseudo master list for CGC remakes because they have the largest allocation of LEs AFAIK.

As for CCr, I’ve heard of many having success finding LEs this week by going down the distributor list.

https://www.chicago-gaming.com/distributors/61

I am buying an LE. I would be fine with this - only question is are they going to make toppers available for AFMr? It’s only fair to all if they go this route.

To all the wanted ads for an LE in the marketplace... pick up the phone and run down the list. I highly doubt any distributor with LE allocation left is trawling the pinside marketplace looking for a buyer.

Seeing this game just makes me want an original Blazing Saddles pinball game even more...with a 'stop and drop' mechanism to simulate a hanging: the ball stops on a magnet, then a trap door drops it to a lower ramp or the playfield...with Quasimodo pulling the lever.

Not a fan of these kid-friendly games with their lame humor. Get some proper big laughs in pinball for a change.

And what's with the complete whitewash in pinball? No black people or ethnic minorities represented in major roles.

This hobby needs a new Sheriff.

I guess that's the fairest of ways to do it.... Thanks!

I've been pinging them but with no success so far. Thanks though.

Call them all.. lots of smaller outfits that are not well known at all

+1 Purchased because I was lucky to have the opportunity to get an LE. Would have waited/maybe purchased something else if I knew the topper was going to be available for the SE or would be included in another edition. Would be false advertising IMO...

LE also has a super nice Apron

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Aprons are very nice, I agree.
Everyone should have a super nice one.

Anyone in Australia heard from Wayne yet ? Would love to know if I’m one of the 65 or not