Ryan alluded to it being an upgrade kit that included more than just code.

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"so you are paying me a $5000 finders fee essentially."

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So 'original' means as shipped by WMS about 20 years ago (buggy and incomplete), 'enhanced' means that CGC fixed/finished the original planned CactusCanyon functionality before WMS pulled the plug in 1999 or so (and ended software development on CC) , and then 'Lyman's code' will be his interpretation of what CCr's theme can do given the playfield toys/hardware that exists (almost a blank canvas in software). I think the BIG wildcard is the new Lyman version since it may or may not happen, may come at any price (to be determined later), and may or may not be interesting to the same people that like CC to begin with, but may be attractive to a new audience.

Is that a fair guess?

Hopefully with the new code/rule set they let give the player the option to choose which way they want to play.

I've got my guess on $500. I think that would be the sweet spot. I would be cool with $500 for an additional Lyman code.

It's definitely a fair guess and seems probable. But, some concrete answers from CGC would be nice with people chomping at the bit.

TLDR; I am not trying to hose you, but I am curious if I can hose you..... for science.

It has only just begun, more will follow.

Its certainly a fair guess, but it would be nice to hear it from CGC. Also what version was played at the Expo? I haven't watched any of the videos.

I really hope people buy into this with some patience. It could literally be years before new code/mechanical add ons are available for this game.

Maybe next time CGC will just make regular and enhanced versions of the games and skip the "limited" part. Silly to hold back when so much demand for the LE features here.

Because 1300 plus people just showed them they don't care?

alluded to it COULD be... deciding if they want to add more 'substance' to it.

Anything they add will be to help justify the price point.. so get ready for the ramming rod.

I’m starting to wonder if Lyman was originally supposed to work on the CC code back in the WMS days and had a concept for it all along before everything closed down?
Kinda like what happen with the code for 24 at Stern. In the beginning, Dwight was working on the 24 code and had a whole different game, but later Lyman finished it and it wasn’t like the original Dwight concept for 24.
Just a thought.

If they go that route (which is fine) than "Limited" basically means nothing....CGC was very upfront with MMR upgrades, but not so much with CCR

MM royal goes for stupid money even though you can literally upgrade an SE to everything except the badge

all pinball purchases right now are .....

Yes. And consistent with what Ryan has said.

The Enhanced code mentioned on the features matrix implements the code as the original design team intended. It’s unclear if Lyman participated in that effort.

What is clear is that CGC currently plans to have Lyman code an optional update (for additional cost) that will run on both editions. Whether that’s additional modes to the current code or entirely new game play or if it comes with some sort of playfield upgrade kit isn’t known (at least to us). There has been plenty of speculation on price but nothing announced by CGC.

The matrix shows both versions are in both games.

Almost certainly grab one out of the box. I don’t know about CGC, but the other manufacturers don’t build LEs in LE number order.

If I'm not mistaken, CGC will be allowing serial number matching to previous buyers?

MMr was just color dots, and that was 2015 or 16? All new Lyman code kit in 2022 will be $1k minimum. Probably more.

It will be subscription based, $19.95 a month. It's the new way companies are making money...

Thats my hope as well. At Assumed 2000 games upgraded that's 1 Million dollars. That should show Lyman some love.

Did Ryan Really have anything consistant to promote on this game?? Anything

There’s no internet infrastructure on CGCs games. It’ll be a kit.

I am trying to get a realistic understanding of sell-through of CCr-LEs at the dealer level. It would be a huge help if people could PM me with the names of dealers that have indicated they are sold out of CCr-LEs and any dealers offering product only at an inflated price. If I get a ton of responses, I might not be able to reply to everyone so thanks in advance for any help!

Hey Doug, I'd like to purchase a CCR LE, and give my money DIRECTLY TO CGC Apparently it's "Sold Out" everywhere.... can you get me one ? Thanks.

Without a PM I can tell you Joe at Pinball Star claims sold out. Apparently if you read this thread, JJ at game exchange sold out, and cointaker is also sold out. As well as Zach M. at Flip N Out Pinball all sold out of the CCR LE

I got to play several games of CCr at the Pinball Expo this weekend. I really like the LE with the topper. Very impressive mix of what is an older more traditional pinball with just enough enhancements to make it a lot of fun. So much so I have decided to make an attempt to acquire one. It's a striking contrast to the Stern Games although Im a big Stern fan and really enjoy the ones I have and the ones I'm still waiting for.

That's what I was thinking too, lol. For only $2500 you get not only new code w/ an entirely new ruleset, but these beautiful swinging saloon doors!

Yeah I've played the original on location and enjoyed it even though they weren't in the best shape. I put my name on the LE list well before the reveal based solely on how great my mmr le and mble are. It was a no brainer for me and expo just confirmed what I figured anyway

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Yeah, just ditch the limited and make as many of the better versions as they can sell, just like Stern pro/premium. If they must do limited, just do limited bling and leave gameplay the same across all models.

This game looks just terrible. You all should definitely cancel your LE orders, especially if you ordered from PPS. I am certainly NOT just saying this because I am on the waitlist with them hoping to get your canceled order

Dealers reporting they are currently sold out of LEs who later “find” additional units to sell at significant premiums will lose future allocations of LEs. We make a significant effort to provide customers quality products at fair prices, those efforts need to be respected by all CGC dealers.

Apparently Keith Elwin has a differing opinion

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I though Keith hated scoops!? Two of this games main shots are scoops lol

I think the key is to use a lesser known distributor. I called mine the day after the announcement in August to get on the "interest list", so did my wife unbeknownst to me. I got a call from them on Saturday while I was at the Expo and put my deposit on an LE. Today my wife got a call from the same distributor and she said you already talked to my husband lol. Needless to say, I did NOT order a 2nd one, but I LOVE LOVE LOVE the people I work with. They may have more to sell who knows

Who doesn't like two scoops?
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You should drop those “offender” CGC dealers altogether , so it’s OK for them to still continue to sell the rest of your products ?! Why continue to reward them. What’s stopping dealer to dealer deals to continue to F*ck your customers over… just sell direct like Spooky. Or simply increase the demand for your product so the price inflation can’t happen.

No thank you. Kingpin and Flipnout have More then been helpful pre and post sales for me. A good distributor is a wonderful thing.

Any “offender” distributor that breaks policy CGC should completely cut ties with. The end.

Thats fair I just do not agree with sell direct. Any distributor that can't follow the rules is a different story.

Distributors are great… I get it Im completely with you. Distributors that take advantage should be taken out of the mix altogether… Doug shouldn’t allow them to continue to be a distributor for CGC at all.

Never mind, I loved CCContinued at Banning, and will be excited to see what Lyman does with this one!

Agree. Total douche move.

They used to be called "Value Added Distributors" for a reason, because they ADDED VALUE in some way, shape or fashion. I am 100% in support of value added distributors who help the customer before, during or after the sale. The best ones do all three and are available and approachable. Great distributors allow companies like CGC to scale, become stronger, etc. That said, it's important for CGC to verify the business plan, business ethics and value-added approaches that any distributor uses to conduct their business. Without this verification/scrutiny, CGC loses customer respect, long-term revenues, and customer satisfaction (which starts with order placement, not when the NIB arrives)

Go Distributors!

PLEASE consider just making the games people want to Buy. You make an incredible product that people want. If they are willing to pay the premium for the fully loaded version so be it. Other then those looking to profit on flipping your product due to scarcity I highly doubt anyone would care if you made 50000 LE games. More profit for the company and all the debating would end. Yes, a few would be sad about the number plate but really does it matter?? Just call it 1 of Many! lol Must be frustrating to see flippers making double your revenue margin just for figuring out the buying cycle. Make em till the register stops ringing and all will be happy!!! Love all CGC does, thank you.

So, I was lucky enough to be on two distributors final lists. I put my name on the lists in June/July I believe. Not sure exactly, but it was a few months ago. Took me about a second to decide NOT to get greedy and buy both games. Just notified Sara to take me off her list and got a super nice email back from her thanking me for notifying her accordingly.

Not sure why people think CGC will gouge price the Lyman update. They came in under every prediction I saw for final prices for CCr. I will guess 199 to 299 bucks for the update. Seems more in line to me for their type of pricing strategy assuming no extra hardware is needed. They do need to pay Lyman for his time .