as JFH stated before, people will cancel orders when full payments are due as well. MMr sold out in seconds and by the time they were shipping they had stock waiting to be paid for. Lots of people get in but then never poney up the cash when it is time. Now I'm not saying half the units will be available, but if there is a waiting list get on it.

Genuine question here. Were the deposits on previous CGC titles refundable or did that depend on which distributor you ordered from? I'm asking because on CCr, most distributors I'm seeing are requiring a $500 deposit NON refundable. That could potentially cut down on people bailing out.

I hope this is the case, but that was a different time. Lots of newbies that pony up big cash for games now. There are likely hundreds chomping at the bit to be on a list to get one of those cancellations.

I've owned all the CGC LE's, and based on past experience CGC won't even start shipping these for 3-6 months....if they tell you 6 weeks its probably more like 12-16 ....my point is many people will drop out and give up their spots at some point....it may take a months, but many will come available. Aside from the original MMRLE (which took almost 2 years to get the game) run both AFMRLE and MBRLE were available for almost a year after the release yet everyone claimed they were sold out day 1....

My distributor says they don't even know their allotment yet so can't say if you get an LE or not and I have been on the radar for months. looks like CGC is dropping the ball with the distributors and not being as forthcoming as they should be.

Lets hope as you say a bunch drop off the list when it comes actual time to pay. It would be nice if those of us that have bought LE's in the past can at least get on the top of the list as a loyalty thing.

I think my MMRLE, MBRLE, and AFMRLE deposits were all technically non refundable. Zero chance I would put down a $500 non refundable deposit on an SE, and then wait 4-8 months for CGC to deliver....I would be patient and wait it out until distributors have them in stock. There will be dozens for sale.

If we are guaranteed and LE no problem take my $1000.00 non-refundable deposit and I have no problem on waiting. It's just how can they roll out the product and not give the distributors the allotment #'s in either category. Please take my $$$$ lol

maybe join a watch forum?

game exchange list was over 80 deep for people wanting them.

why do people do this? way off!

I never understood a refundable deposit.
The paperwork must be a complete pain in the ass for the distributor or any small business.

I think I ordered my MBr LE in early October and received it in early March. If I remember correctly, they made the MBr LE's before the other models... plus we weren't dealing with all of the supply chain interruptions.

Based on Joe’ email…it sounds like SEs are being made first…but maybe he has a later allocation?

“ SEs shipping first in November and onward / LEs starting in January”

I believe my MBRLE took 3-4 months and I was on the number matching priority list since I purchased the other CGC LE's (MMRLE, and AFMRLE)....MMRLE took almost 2 years, and my AFMRLE took over 6 months.....I love CGC games, but they NEVER make schedule and are always months behind (and that was pre covid). A lot can happen to this market in 6-12 months as Stern, JJP, etc will be releasing new games that may become higher priority ? My guess is that unless Lyman knocks it out of the park (and the cost is reasonable) you'll be seeing a lot of CCRLE's on the market.

I honestly don't remember. Well since it is a distro they could apply your 500 deposit to a different game, I know a lot do that, but yes it tries to cut down on flakes, but it always happens. Or we'll just get the flippers.

If you want the machine and a ahole is asking more than $1199 above msrp. tell them that you are reporting them to the irs for making a taxable income on the machine. Which is the law. Pinside should be doing this for new machines only. I have been waiting money in hand for a le for years and aholes Get a lot of them. They are not interesting in the machine. This market has turned into a bunch of greedy people not players or hobbyist.

So if we got that email does it mean we are guaranteed a CC LE?

Got on my distributors list for an LE, He told me he has gotten hundreds of requests for the LE.

Crazy time in pinball.

This is correct .....

They are doing a run of se before the le .. le start beginning of new year.

Wonder why they are doing SEs first. Maybe topper takes longer to make.

LE code.....

There has been no indication of code unique to the LE (other than the topper of course)

I'm guessing they want to get the game out to the public and they are most likely waiting on the extra le upgraded stuff. Also they want to get all the kinks and things worked out before moving to the le .

Anyone know the difference between the "enhanced code" and the "original code" ?

Yup. My partner finished the entire game on ball one, first time he ever played a CC. The additional code is definitely needed here.

The additional code took about 5 minutes to get through. CCr isn't much different from WPC CC. Need Continued to make this worthwhile...

Agree about the topper. If I don’t get an LE, I have no interest in an SE without the topper. I’ll get something else if it ends up that you can’t put the topper on the SE. I don’t see any reason to order an SE at this time.

Congratulations to everybody that secured a le .... so much demand at the moment. I've never seen so many wanted ads on here and on Facebook and also in the ccr thread's. Crazy time for pinball..

I agree cc code is not deep but i always enjoyed the game when i have came across it . The new finished code is nice and all but it didn't change the overall rules or anything and its still not as deep as afm and mm . I think the big deal this time is that Lyman the great is gonna make it a whole new game over the next year or so which is awesome bc cc has nice shots and mechs add that along with new deeper code it cld be amazing . Believe this is the reason for the demand...and they make a tank of a pin especially for the current price.

In the past (MBR and AFM) the topper was unique to the LE's ONLY. They changed that with the royal so us LE owners could upgrade. I would be surprised if CGC allowed SE buyers to upgrade, but who knows. We need clarity from CGC on this. I'd be fine if they sold the topper separately as its better for all

The topper has also never had game play elements and the market is very different now. I wish they’d just make them all available (so I can selfishly get the AFM topper).

whats the difference?

So, the Lyman code is not included? It's being sold at additional cost sometime in the future? This front CGC website led me to believe it was included.

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They did add to current code but at a later time a whole new code will be released possibly with add on playfield stuff all for a additional cost.

yea I think the AFM topper is by far the best they've made thus far ! I haven't seen how the CCR topper really works so hard to compare, but definitely better than MM or the MBR toppers that basically do nothing, but light up.

Someone said he helped somewhat to get the code where it currently is but don't know if that's true. There is more coming code wise from him at a cost which no ones knows what it will cost. So many unknowns on this game but so many willing to put a deposit down just because he's involved, would have tried to secure an LE but not guaranteeing the topper was LE only and charging for Lyman code just pissed me off plus possibly waiting 6 months sucked also.

While it would be nice I can see this opening up another round of anger as that topper would likely cost over 1k. Seems to be a lot of tech on the inside from the photos shown. If the SE with topper costs as much or more then the LE the fans will go wild.

I agree. Charging for updated/new code is pretty upsetting. However, if the new Lyman code makes the game overly complicated, they can keep it. No thanks.

so many unanswered questions as CGC has done a very poor job of communicating to its customer base, and apparently their presentation at the expo was a complete joke. I'd simply like to know what "enhanced" code means along with the cost of the Lyman code is to LE buyers. It would also be nice to know whether or not SE buyers can buy LE components (topper, game blades, apron, etc...)

The Cost for the new code will be 400….isnt that what they charged for the color dmd stuff when that came out? Maybe it’ll cost half as much for LE buyers, as that was.

Maybe $500 if they are getting greedy?

what company don't fuck up the release nowadays? pretty pathetic all across the board. Pr is horrible.