Have you played it? Maybe there is a reason they only made 900. I'm sure if it was $1500 like Gillian's you would not be screaming for one. Why not breakshot? Great layout and only a few made?

The reason was CC came at the same time as RFM and RFM was completely new and cool .
I was at the amusement expo in London in 1999 and ordered two RFM and even did not play CC what
i deeply regret .
I would buy a new CC .

I played CC this summer. Loved it. Honestly I like it better than MM. Humor is better too.

"You're messing with the wrong hombre, hombre."

I played one in Allentown this year. Fun game. I would be interested in a remake.

because you can buy nice ones for $1500 and only 10 people would buy a remake.

Cactus Canyon, lots of moving parts $7995, AFM not as many moving parts, $6995

My thoughts whatever that is worth

BBB would be the greatest demand

I think it would be a hit and the Cactus Canyon Continued that epthegeek has been working on will make it even more epic.

"Lock is lit and so am I"

Yes I feel that Planetary should offer CC as the next re-release. Many would argue for AFM, but I feel CC is way better. My second choice would be MB. I may suggest to Rick on the next go around not to offer a limited number of machines or different designations-ie."LE". Simply re-produce with a certain timeline based on demand. When sales begin to stagger off in a few years then pull from production while doing other titles such as AFM,MB,TOTAN,etc. Open distribution to all interested current pinball distributors. I would also recommend reducing the MSRP closer to the $5900 mark. Remove the added additions that did not come with the original such as gold trim and shaker motor. By removing extras and making it truly an original, it may allow for more volume in terms of sales due to reduced pricing strategy. $5900 is a significant amount of money and $7900 is even more difficult to choke down. The profit margin has to be substantial without having to fully design from ground up? I think the sky is the limit for Planetary. I sincerely hope that any future repro's will be priced accordingly, and a sales approach that does not encourage distributors to hoard or price gouge. MSRP is a suggested price-allow the market to correct itself. I like how Stern continues to produce pros and premiums for several years, allowing the market to determine supply, demand and pricing.

I'd love a CC remake (CCR), but I thought that during all the MMR discussion, Rick mentioned that MM had to function as released by Williams, in order for him to get the blessing of Williams. Luckily, MM had completed code, so no big deal there. However.. CC never had completed code. If for some reason, Williams insists that it functions as released, that may mean the original incomplete code, which would be a deal breaker. We'd all like to see Cactus Canyon Continued (CCC) code, but would this be possible?

If CCC code is not possible in a CCR, with the new boardset/controller set-up, I don't think you could just P-roc it and add the CCC yourself.

This may be a big bummer, and I'd need to know what code was going to be included up front, as I'm sure a lot of others would too.

CC makes a lot of sense as the next candidate due to current prices and the low original production run. I think there would be more demand for it at the 7995 price point than AFM. While extremely popular, AFM would probably require trimming $1-2K off the price to move them in large numbers due to current pricing. The unfinished code and Williams thoughts about completing it are the big unknown.

You can wish all you want but the next release will be AFM. That's not insider information, either. Just my gut instinct and I've paid attention to what some people in the know have been saying on the board.

My Vote- AFM for 6.5K.

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I want CC next, but would be happy if it was AFM, so I can have more $$ saving recovery time....

ya, i think they need to price it down there and it will move fairly quickly. Not mm for $8K quickly but briskly. This game cannot be sold at the $8K pricepoint as that is too close to where restored games are selling for.

Whichever way this goes, I will say that Eric's Cactus Canyon Continued software is brilliant and makes the game a lot more fun than the original.

I am in for MB or CC.

i fixed that for ya!

CC w/ CCC code would be my choice. AFM and MM have alot of playability similarities IMO.

Yeah, that's what I was saying... Super guy too....

yes, but i believe that would involve the owners adding that at a later date. It would be nice for Eric, if he could sell a ton of his new software.

Back when it came out it seemed like an average game at best. But at my arcade it was surrounded by all the other recent classics. To me, it seemed like they were just going to keep on pumping out new games, and maybe the next one might be better...............

But it has aged like a fine wine.

Zero interest in CC if it runs the original code

Most likely, but I'm definitely in if it can be ported to the new platform even if it's an additional purchase.

Breakshot is great, but it's Capcom and sells for 1.5k. I don't see this being redone.

Exactly. There are awesome titles to be redone but this is profiteering plain and simple. Shadow is a great eddy game but all are jacked to have a 15k CC for 8k. Based on $$ alone. When there was no remakes people pissed on CC as a lame game.

Most people stopped pissing on CC as a lame game when CCC came out. CCC seemed to address the incomplete code issue, which was the main reason CC was pissed on as a lame game.

But really that title versus all the amazing games like totan, afm , shadow , creature, cv? Sure. Not $$$ motivated. That BS worked for mm and claiming #1 game of all time. What is the basis for this? So lame, profiteering at its best.

I think MB is way better, at least for me, and I'm also aware my opinion doesn't matter at all.

I've got quite an extensive Williams/Bally collection, but I never wanted CC because of the incomplete code. When I was shopping for other pins back in 2008-2012, CC was in the 4-9K range based on condition, but I never paid attention to it, as I didn't want a machine with lame unfinished code. I assumed the only reason it was worth what it was at the time, was due to rarity. Now that I'm interested in getting one due to the CCC code, it seems to have skyrocketed in price to 9-14K. Based on that price increase, I would be interested in a CC remake, but only if I could run CCC code in it. If I can't, CC is just the same game with unfinished code that I haven't been interested in all these years. Seriously, the CCC code makes the game great IMO. If I can't have that expanded code, I'm really not interested.

The CCC code turned a good game into a great one. My only real complaint about the game is that the ball tends to hang in the pop bumpers for a LONG time. Other than that, I'd say CCC is one of the best playing pins out there.

You haven't played CCC in a while then At some point this summer I added code that kills the 'bottom' pop bumper (it's actually a sling) after 4 hits so the ball exits the pops better. Re-enables it as soon as the exit switch is detected.

Wow, you've thought of everything!

Williams does NOT approve of the CCC code, so if CC is remade it's not going to come with CCC.

But you could get a P-roc board, and maybe the P-roc driver boards (and probably some adapter cables) and convert a CCr into a CCCr.

!?!? CC is a really cool and really rare game! I've heard people rip on it and I don't get it. It's always been really fun when I've played it. I love the gun shootouts with the drop targets, the bash toy Bart is cool with his hat flying off, the playfield art is nice, the mine and train are cool, it's got great music. I'd get one!

If CC or AFM is next i am in either way.

CC all the way. Bart is da' man.

I'd be in for CC for sure.

But if Roger sharp is in on these reruns. Why would their not be a possibillity that he gives aproval too, to adjust the official rom and update it with the CCC code?

He must see that it will make CC a A pin, instead of a cult underpar one.

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I would like to see TAF next. Not possible some say, cause of the rights. But maybe that seems, no new stuff, but old stuff can still be used. As the admas family is still sold as a dvd/blue ray.

You never know. I would not be surprised if TAF shows up in the pinball arcade. Lets hope it will.

AFM, MB, CFTBL, FH would all happen before CC. A CCR may generate a few hundred sales. The ones I mentioned probably a couple thousand each at least.

If PPS could manufacturer CC with CCC function, I would feel differently. But they can't. Or more correctly, can't without violating their IP rights.

That is not my point. CC before the other top 10 pins? I love CC that is not in question, it is in my opinion based solely on perceived notion of I could not find or afford one and now I can. Hence the one series BMW.

Because his function is to certify to WMS that a remake looks and plays like an original (save for the changes WMS wants, like removing logos and references to "Williams"). WMS has the final say and Rick seems pretty certain that he won't get approval for any remake under the current terms unless it looks and plays as close to an original as possible.

Yes, do it.

Keep in mind that WMS is now owned by Scientific Games. Maybe they will approve no questions asked and offer a Cactus Canyon scratch off lottery ticket. How ironic that WMS had an awards dinner at the Westin North Shore during Expo right next door to the Expo ballrooms. And it was over the weekend that the Scientific Games acquisition of WMS Industries was completed.

Even more ironic is the fact that Bally Manufacturing Corporation used to own Scientific Games.

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I would be in on a AFM.. not really a big fan of CC. I thought CC was very incomplete code since it was the end of the williams era. Seems like AFM would sell better than CC unless they could make it CCCr out of the box..that would be intresting.

CCC is too big to fit on an old ROM, and there was not enough horsepower in those old CPUs anyway.

Williams does not want the liability of if someone's code starts fires, displays pornography, or otherwise has a chance of damaging their IP.

The only way you will get CCC on CCr is to install it yourself. At minimum you will need a P-roc processor board, and at most you would also need a P-roc driver board and adapter cables.

Aha, thanks vid. That reply clears up alot of code regarding questions for me.