Quoted from Gatecrasher:Who is this "Pinball Inc.?"
What are they?
Um.... if you have purchased a reproduction ramp in say the last 10 years or more then you should know Pinball Inc.
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Quoted from centerflank:So I buy a game from whatever Vendor, they have money issues and maybe cant pay their bills, I should help F him over? Whatever, thats a dick move, dont kick a guy when hes down.
But it's ok to punish all the people that he owes money to? Maybe they are hard up too and have money issues.
Quoted from captainadam_21:But it's ok to punish all the people that he owes money to? Maybe they are hard up too and have money issues.
True dat! But probably wouldnt be giving away all kinds of cash if that were the case.
As James said, this has nothing to do with Pinball Inc. and Illinois Pinball. It is a private matter between the two men. James used Pinball Inc. as a reference to his reputation (which is impeccable). Pinball Inc. makes replacement ramps that far exceed the quality of the originals. In addition to that, James is a close friend and is an important part of the Pinball Industry.
Quoted from vid1900:http://www.pinballinc.com/
Jim makes all the replacement ramps.
not Road Show but we're waiting 
Quoted from underlord:Without reasons, not seeing a need to report ANYTHING to another company. If legal issues, go through normal processes.
Though not relevant, offering a reward for information is indeed a normal legal process to gather information. For a good example just ask any law enforcement agency. 
Quoted from PinballInc:Though not relevant, offering a reward for information is indeed a normal legal process to gather information. For a good example just ask any law enforcement agency.
The only LE agencies I know of who routinely throw money around for information are the feds. Local law enforcement does not have the money in their budgets to pay for information. They develop leads and gather information the old fashioned way--by way of good police work. What you are doing smells of a slick lawyering shortcut to build your case.
Quoted from centerflank:But you have no affiliation with said robbers/scammers per your example.
So I buy a game from whatever Vendor, they have money issues and maybe cant pay their bills, I should help F him over? Whatever, thats a dick move, dont kick a guy when hes down.
This may not even be going on here, as its a secret squirrel operation.
I don't see how gathering factual information about legitimate transactions could be construed as "f-ing" someone over. If the seller has nothing to hide and is on the up and up then how can it be used against them? For the sake of argument let's say the seller is trying to hide something, then who is trying to do the "f-ing" over?
Please show an example of how it plays out that you're helping someone get "f-ed" over by giving legitimate information?
Quoted from Xenon75:Um.... if you have purchased a reproduction ramp in say the last 10 years or more then you should know Pinball Inc.
I haven't bought any in the past 10 years.
Have you bought any of my parts in the past 10 years?
Quoted from vid1900:http://www.pinballinc.com/
Jim makes all the replacement ramps.
Yes and thank God he does. 
Quoted from Gatecrasher:I haven't bought any in the past 10 years.
Have you bought any of my parts in the past 10 years?
How much of a reward are you offering?
Quoted from PinballInc:I don't see how gathering factual information about legitimate transactions could be construed as "f-ing" someone over. If the seller has nothing to hide and is on the up and up then how can it be used against them? For the sake of argument let's say the seller is trying to hide something, then who is trying to do the "f-ing" over?
Please show an example of how it plays out that you're helping someone get "f-ed" over by giving legitimate information?
The intel gatherer isnt Fn over anyone(yet), the giver of the info could likely be contributing to the Fn over providing it.
Say you buy the machine from a Vendor paying cash, and the gub'ment comes knocking on your door asking for info of what kind of cash you gave the Vendor as they didnt report it to them and may be charged with tax fraud, the deal that went down between buyer-vendor was a legit deal, right? Sounds to me like the info provider is Fn over the vendor.
First you say legitimate transactions but mention something is hidden. Whats being hidden?
Safe to say, anyone does a business deal with me, I wont go selling our transaction details to anyone offering me a few bucks.
Quoted from centerflank:The intel gatherer isnt Fn over anyone(yet), the giver of the info could likely be contributing to the Fn over providing it.
Say you buy the machine from a Vendor paying cash, and the gub'ment comes knocking on your door asking for info of what kind of cash you gave the Vendor as they didnt report it to them and may be charged with tax fraud, the deal that went down between buyer-vendor was a legit deal, right? Sounds to me like the info provider is Fn over the vendor.
First you say legitimate transactions but mention something is hidden. Whats being hidden?
Safe to say, anyone does a business deal with me, I wont go selling our transaction details to anyone offering me a few bucks.
So, you are saying if I need a good fence for stolen pinball items, you are my go to guy? Sweet! (just teasing)
Then maybe it doesn't belong in a public pinball forum. What people will do for a few bucks.
Quoted from awarner:It is a private matter between the two men.
The story behind this is long and complicated and when it's all over, I'm sure James and/or I will write a book about it. James simply needs some information and like the Police was willing to pay for it. What better place to connect with the right people than here? Nothing bad will happen to the people who bought the machines and provided information. There is no law against telling someone about a transaction you had.
I don't like this one bit. So transaction information is worth $50? So people actually provided private transaction information to this man? I can make money by just buying a game from someone now? Just doesn't make sense.
Quoted from dantebean:So transaction information is worth $50?
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Lol, my transaction info for my last 3 games. $100 obo.
Quoted from centerflank:The intel gatherer isnt Fn over anyone(yet), the giver of the info could likely be contributing to the Fn over providing it.
Say you buy the machine from a Vendor paying cash, and the gub'ment comes knocking on your door asking for info of what kind of cash you gave the Vendor as they didnt report it to them and may be charged with tax fraud, the deal that went down between buyer-vendor was a legit deal, right? Sounds to me like the info provider is Fn over the vendor.
First you say legitimate transactions but mention something is hidden. Whats being hidden?
Safe to say, anyone does a business deal with me, I wont go selling our transaction details to anyone offering me a few bucks.
I said nothing of sort that something was being hidden. I said "for the sake of argument".
Here's an example to ponder "for the sake of argument". When the feds went after Bernie Madoff they had to prove that he used funds for his own personal gain. To do that, they tracked down all his personal transactions by soliciting. Are you saying that all the companies and individuals who did business with Bernie should have been quiet and let him get away with his actions?
To say I am trying to gather information to "screw" him over with the information is unfounded and unwarranted, especially since you are not involved.
If you have any allegiance with Gene you have every right to and I completely respect it, many people have nothing but good to say about him. I'm not here to pass judgement or anything of the sort. Just gathering information. As stated I could have simply started a thread and asked, which would have gotten me free information, but I always feel that it's fair to compensate people for their effort.
Cheers,
James
Quoted from PinballInc:Cheers,
James
Ive never met Gene and have never done business with him, so Im quite unbiased on this topic. Sorry man, once you posted this on a public forum its everyones business.
Best of Luck accomplishing your goal, I just hope it doesnt brow beat an old man that has done a lot for the pinball hobby, as it sounds you have done a lot as well with your ramp manufacturing.
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Quoted from centerflank:Ive never met Gene and have never done business with him, so Im quite unbiased on this topic. Sorry man, once you posted this on a public forum its everyones business.
Best of Luck accomplishing your goal, I just hope it doesnt brow beat an old man that has done a lot for the pinball hobby, as it sounds you have done a lot as well with your ramp manufacturing.
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Fair enough, thanks.
Cheers,
James
I have never come on a forum and posted anything that is between James and Gene because I don't believe it belongs on a public forum but if someone's intentions are less than honest then I will step in. This inquiry that James is making is nothing less than a personal vendetta. James why don't you tell them how much money you owe Gene from the sale of the pinball parts that you and the Australian purchased ... the final payment you never made! Perhaps if you had made that payment the situation would never have come to this. You were paid by the Australians. Maybe Gene should have posted on here and offered a reward to all of those who purchased pinball parts molds from you that were not supposed to have been sold. James we were friends and it saddens me that it has come to this. I hope that when karma finally comes your way that it is less vindictive to you than you are being.
Quoted from kimc:I have never come on a forum and posted anything that is between James and Gene because I don't believe it belongs on a public forum but if someone's intentions are less than honest then I will step in. This inquiry that James is making is nothing less than a personal vendetta. James why don't you tell them how much money you owe Gene from the sale of the pinball parts that you and the Australian purchased ... the final payment you never made! Perhaps if you had made that payment the situation would never have come to this. You were paid by the Australians. Maybe Gene should have posted on here and offered a reward to all of those who purchased pinball parts molds from you that were not supposed to have been sold. James we were friends and it saddens me that it has come to this. I hope that when karma finally comes your way that it is less vindictive to you than you are being.
Quoted from RonB:kimc=Gene's daughter, I believe.
Where did you park your squad car, Dick Tracy?
(It's either Gene's daughter or an imposter, but the former seems more likely.)
--Donnie
Quoted from kimc:I have never come on a forum and posted anything that is between James and Gene because I don't believe it belongs on a public forum but if someone's intentions are less than honest then I will step in. This inquiry that James is making is nothing less than a personal vendetta. James why don't you tell them how much money you owe Gene from the sale of the pinball parts that you and the Australian purchased ... the final payment you never made! Perhaps if you had made that payment the situation would never have come to this. You were paid by the Australians. Maybe Gene should have posted on here and offered a reward to all of those who purchased pinball parts molds from you that were not supposed to have been sold. James we were friends and it saddens me that it has come to this. I hope that when karma finally comes your way that it is less vindictive to you than you are being.
The courts will prove who was right and who "screwed" whom, with confidence I'll leave it at that. I will warn you that slander is something that can bite you personally. If you have anything else to say to me or about me you know my lawyers contact information and I now have a second lawyer to handle a certain bankruptcy filing, have your attorney contact mine to get her information if you feel the need to contact her about my information gathering.
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Ouch! Now that looks painful.
Quoted from djb_rh:Where did you park your squad car, Dick Tracy?
You're parked right behind me, Sherlock.
I'm gonna throw out another wild guess - that James is trying to show that Gene is a merchant under the UCC. How close am I, James?
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