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Card Whiz - all 500 points giving 4500 points?

By HoseroK

8 years ago

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#1 8 years ago

Every other issue on this machine has been ironed out. This one eludes me. Every target that should score 500 points instead gives 4500. 500 point relay looks fine (cleaned and gapped). Anyone have a similar issue? What could cause this?

#2 8 years ago

Does the score motor run for 500 points? Could be that the score motor also scores 1000 points due to a faulty switch when the score motor runs, check the schematic to see what can score 1000 with a score motor switch in the path.

#3 8 years ago

All joker targets and roll overs are 500 points
Drop target is 1000 plus 1000 for each lit joker....4000 maximum.
Hole is 1000 plus 1000 for each lit joker
Side roll overs are 500 and 3000 when lit.

#4 8 years ago

Does this occur with both player 1 and player 2?
It's an important fact.
Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
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#5 8 years ago

It could be a 9th position switch gapped too close on the 100's reel, but since it occurs when scoring 500 points (which causes the score motor to run), I'd suspect the reset path is still active to the 1000's reel. That would be either Player Unit switch P3C or P4C, depending if player 1 or player 2 is acting up.

#6 8 years ago

Thanks for all the replies. A lot of good suggestions here. I will be working on it tomorrow and will update with results.

#7 8 years ago
Quoted from Shiny_balls:

All joker targets and roll overs are 500 points
Drop target is 1000 plus 1000 for each lit joker....4000 maximum.


#8 8 years ago

Jokers light corresponding rollovers and hole for additional score.
Drop targets score hole value.

#9 8 years ago

Scoring any 10X multiple of 5 always requires the score motor to run. A switch on level A will pulse 5 times to score 10, 100, or 1000 with each pulse. Usually, the switch is on motor 1A.

I still want to know if this occurs with both players. If not, I'd suspect the 9th position switch as noted above.
Chris Hibler - CARGPB #31
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#10 8 years ago

Here is my educated guess:

There is a joined Make/Break switch on either Trip Bank 1B, 2B, 3B, or on the Target Bank Sequence Switch (drop target bank). These are located at 4/5-E/F on the schematic.

Any of these M/B switches being joined (in other words both the make and break contacts made at the same time), can cause both Relays C (500 point) and D (3000 point) to energize together. To confirm, see if they are both energizing at the same time.

With both C and D energized, score motor is running, Score Motor 1A is producing 5 pulses per cycle to the M relay (your 500 points) and 1A is also producing 3 pulses to the L relay (your 3000 points). However, without racking my brain this late in the day, I am sure there is a feed back path through either Score motor 4C or 1B which normally hide the 4th and 5th pulse of the 5 pulses of 1A from getting to the 1000 point relay. This would explain 4 pulses getting through.

#11 8 years ago

Just started working on the machine today. The over scoring only happens with player one.

#12 8 years ago

It's also inconsistently 4,500 point. Sometimes it scores 3,500 points. (I'm working on it with him)

#13 8 years ago

Solved! Was the 9th position switch on the 100's reel not being properly gapped. Thanks for the help!

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