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Caption Kid SHOCK!

By Spider3582

3 years ago

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#1 3 years ago

My Captain Kid just shocked the shit from me . Even with the power switch off, I had to pull the plug! I bought it last week and played it many times. Can't find no bare wires. Thank God it didn't happen to my wife or kid. The coin door felt like 110 volts. Funny thing is I have been playing it for a week. Anybody else have this problem. I'm scared to touch it.

#2 3 years ago

Start with the basics. Outlet you plugged it into working right and grounded ? Outlet checker is cheap and good for this.

Power cord have a grounded plug ? Continuity of grounding pin on plug good to metal rails and coin door, legs, etc ? Power cord wired right ?

Something went wrong somewhere, start digging.

LTG : )

#3 3 years ago

fred there is 110v at the door. when the game is plugged in 110 goes to the coin door. once a coin is dropped or the credit button pressed it energizes the hold coil and starts the game.
I would check the coin mech switches. the fish paper is the only thing between the door and 110v

#4 3 years ago

As noted, check the fish paper on the start button and any other switches on the coin door. They put 110V right to it and used metal buttons to boot. A recipe for shocks.

If the door has a microswitch on it, check the physical switch itself. Melody Lane shocked the crap out of me once because a switch on the door that attached to the coin counter had its housing broken open. The bare metal contacts inside the switch were directly touching the coin door. I yanked that counter out with great satisfaction.

#5 3 years ago
Quoted from LTG:

Start with the basics. Outlet you plugged it into working right and grounded ?

home wiring is tricky. even if you did install/ground the machine properly, that does NOT mean you are protected.
most home fuse boxes run the return and ground to the same buss inside the box, "the return buss". not sure why, but it allows hot AC to appear when the power is shut off.
the best way to be sure, is to look at your box inside. you can see if any bare "ground" wires are tied into the return buss.
also, if you live in a hot area, your ground rod,"assuming you have one". will float due to the ground drying/schrinking.
it is recommended that you water your ground around the rod, to ensure you have a solid ground.
I was working on a Dodge city. it had a double switch installed that opened hot and return. So I felt safe...HA!!! it shocked the s#!t out of me too. lesson learned, unplug it!
And, as Boilerman said, chk that fish paper in the door, it is your only safety.

#6 3 years ago

This is a gun game just in case not a Pinball. Cord is old and doesn't have a ground . Will replace but family has been playing this for a week


#7 3 years ago

Thanks for the quick response men I appreciate it. Looks like there is 50 volts going to the coin mech on the door . I insulated all wiring and everything wires go to touching the door. I'm going to get a new power cord with a ground and the on/off switch is on the neutral wire that's why I was still getting shocked with the game off . Going to switch it to the hot side. Thanks Smokey for that info.

#8 3 years ago

I've had issues with gun games before and typically it's the fish paper on the switch inside the gun has worn. Might be worth running a ground wire up inside that gun base also.

And I have to ask....did you spray any cleaners on the gun or anywhere else. I've also have that after I've cleaned a gun game with some alcohol and if it's not fully dry, I'll get a little bite.....but sounds like you really got a BITE!

Good luck trouble shooting the problem! Sure you'll figure it out.

#9 3 years ago

Yea looks like 50 volts going to coin mech but I got bit by touching outside of door then when I turned it off I thought I was safe and got me again . I had to pull the plug.It hurts alittle more when you don't except it

#10 3 years ago

The coin door is only 50 volts. The gun recoil coil however runs 110 volts. you should check those wires as they can run close to the coin door.

#11 3 years ago

I have one of those. Sweet little Midway gun game. When it goes to black light with the flag going up and down the sides it adds a nice little surprise to people who don't expect it.

#12 3 years ago

Thanks I will check that tomorrow. It's strange because family has been playing it since Thursday. I came home from work today flicked the switch touched the door and got bit. Shut the switch off touched the door got bit again so whatever it was didn't happen till today. I'm just glad it didn't get the wife or kid if it did she would demand I get rid of it . Felt like more than 50 volts but maybe it just surprised me. I will check those gun recoil wires tomorrow. Needless to say it's a fun gun game took the bottom out today and cleaned it up. Plays great.

#13 3 years ago

Flags going up are hard to hit

#14 3 years ago

Found the wire going to the gun recoil had been spliced together and stuffed in there with about 3 ft of extra wire. The splice was near metal and must have moved just enough to touch it. A hidden hack job that was dangerous

#15 3 years ago

Thanks EM-PINMAN for telling me to check that

#16 3 years ago
Quoted from Spider3582:

This is a gun game just in case not a Pinball. Cord is old and doesn't have a ground

My Bad, guess I ass-u-mayed it was already grounded...

#17 3 years ago

That's okay Dr. I appreciate you for responding this game has 110 volts going to a gun recoil relay and somebody didn't do a very good splice job and had some bare wires showing well it must have moved just enough to touch the door but I'm still replacing the power cord it also has 50 volts going to the coin mechanism and I insulated all those wires so I don't know if I got 110 volts or 50 volts also the on and off switch was wired to the neutral side so it was still hot going to these mechanisms I moved that switch on the hot side that's why I was still getting shocked with the game off. People like you is why I like Pinside ,willing to help . I have learned so much on here and some of the talent people have amazes me

#18 3 years ago

I won't hold it against you being from Dallas. Diehard Philadelphia Eagles fan here . Ha-ha

#19 3 years ago

Taxman I agree with you about the moving flags . I gut selling this had 4 or 5 gun games . I know people said stay away from Midway because of the motorized score reels but this game was so much more fun than the Williams. When you hit these targets they actually move on the other games when you hit the target a bell would just ring

#20 3 years ago

The guy selling this , I guess I should proof read before I send post

#21 3 years ago

If I can get ahold of the stencils I plan on a complete tear down of the cabinet for my first restoration project, I'm just holding off hoping the stencils will show up

#22 3 years ago
Quoted from Spider3582:

I won't hold it against you being from Dallas. Diehard Philadelphia Eagles fan here .

Thank you spider!

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