Spend money on other games.

LTG : )

more importantly, anyone know if any of gene's pinballs sold from his pole barn? Wasn't he asking something like $50k for a BBB?

KP will never be done I am sure of that now....

And a shame too... I love that game !

99.9999999 % sure... without getting into the details

LOL

So your saying there is a chance?

-Awesome

100k by Christmas! Lol sorry wanted to be the guy who does that.. But seriously ill sell one for 50 k maybe

Lloyd Christmas says: "That's a priceless pinball. IOU for 275 thousand, might wanna hang onto that one"

For sure wont be done. Would have by now.

Well, guess he'll have to run more BBB's then!!! Where do I send my $4500!?

never happening...would be interesting to see what can be accomplished by the next guy when gene finally unloads his rights to some one else

My guess is Gene would sell those rights now to anyone with a reasonable offer . . . he has to know he isn't going to be making any more games. The question is what would be a reasonable offer and who would be interested in acquiring the rights?

I have long said that JJP needs to have more games released. I know JJP is all about looking forward and not looking backward but one or two re-releases over the next two years from them would help them keep their factory pumping out machines and keep their skilled and trained employees from going elsewhere (making them start all over training line employees for the Hobbit).

I don't think anyone believes WOZ manufacturing is going to go on for a solid straight eighteen months with no other games in between . . . a remake may be timely for JJP.

If he has the rights. Does he ?

LTG : )

Dunno . . . I always went under the assumption that he did since he was talking about doing the remake and was just tied up on reverse engineering the chip and was trying to buy that sample version off of the RGP'er dude (who has since sold it).

Who knows. I could go ask him. He's here at the nw show

Leave gene alone, he's been a credit to the hobby and should be treated with respect!

He isn't being trashed, pinballs not the only business in his life. Sometimes a fresh start from a hungry guy will push things along. We all know what he did and its his legacy. There's no trashing of his reputation. Just discussing that its been a lot of years of talk with no headway so its unlikely.

I'll ask him later tonight and post his replies. I have a right to ask, I signed up years ago for this.

I signed up a while ago and would still love this to happen

found this site and has a cross out through the order list, so maybe not know

http://home.comcast.net/~pfutz/Capcom/cap_pin.htm

+1 His last public statement said something about pigs flying soon. Even he knows there has been a lot of talk with no progression; that doesn't cheapen all the great stuff he has already done for the hobby . . . his skins on the wall are still there, besides, asking questions is always fair game.

maybe spooky can be contracted to build it ...........

I think the pinball world is now looking forward to new and exciting ideas
not remakes of old machines (no matter how rare)

I also doubt that he would pay to have the software finished

I generally agree with this; but also think 2,500-3,000 NIB MM's would sell at $7,000 or a bit higher each.

He is a salesman and is going to tell you it will be made. Let me know what your gut says after you talk with him. I will say that he has promised another run of taf pfs for over 17 months now and they are at least 12 more out at earliest. That should say something.

Time to give up the ghost on that pipe dream pricing Greg. If he ever *did* rerun them, he'd probably sell them closer to what is was costing him on the first run, and then some.

Even if he charged $8K-9K, he'd still sell a TON of them.

Maybe JJP can make an updated version of Kingpin

I'd buy one at that price.

It's not going to happen. Gene doesn't have the chips and was still talking about trying to get source code recently. This is pretty much the same status as 4? Years ago.

Nick,

That would work. Reproducing the boardset would be a mess. I don't believe the playfield is that complicated.

how hard could it be to do the boards, a guy did it for Gameplan boards...

and how hard could it be to reverse engineer the chips...somebody made them in the first place...

If they were made once they can be made again right?

I think all of that is a bunch of crap as well....

but the real reasons have nothing to do with the above...

Its a real shame, it coulda put Gene back on the map, and in the moment again...

we are talking about remaking, or should I say copying 20+ yr technology...

this shit should be a no brainer !

Money you need to do it would be a start.

Gene lost over a couple grand a unit when he did the BBB's, probably can't afford a repeat of that.

And of course you still don't have a trained work force or assembly line.

Other than that, it should be pretty simple.

LTG : )

If it was that simple. I'm surprised no one has done it yet.

LTG : )

I am in agreement on the money..

but the theory of getting it doable is no groundbreaking engineering...

Gerry, it's more complicated than you think. Also, money is definitely a factor in producing the boardset. Gene asked us to make a very of Nucore for capcom. He didn't want to pay much for it and Don and I didn't want to go through all that mess again for free

couldn't they do a capcom kingpin pin with the original art, sounds but re-create the rules and use a p-roc system. yes not totally original but better than nothing

is this the real issue with re-engineering the chip - is it the rule chip?

Talked to gene. He said the chip they have isn't going to work, they've tried everything. He said they are going to emulate it and it will be the same. Stay tuned for an announcement in the next couple months he said. I asked the price. He said 8k or 8500.

My gut said no chance in hell when I talked to him. Glad I spent my money on mople.

it is obviously not a priority for Gene, I wont be holding my breath

We brought up the amulator with gene a year ago. Wish he started that idea back then. We have a game ready for him to use for reproduction so that's not a issue.

excuse me for not understanding the full design hold up, could some one explain please the chip issue and what they believe are the issues

There is a chip in the board set that's not able to be reverse engineered for production of more boards. It's like a kill pill, with out it you can't make more games. This is why gene only did a certain number of bbb rebuilds cause that's the total number of boards he had from the original capcom buy he did. For 5 years he paid over 30k to have a professional reverse engineer it so he could build more games and the guy failed. This is the major hurdle to over come. Having games built and by who would be the next one but with Jjp in the picture maybe not as hard as before. Still if he's going emulator now how long will that take. Your still talking two years before you ever see a game. Not likely don't get ur hopes up till he starts asking for deposits.

thanks for the explanation, ashame they couldn't get the design info off capcom - must of disappeared / was lost

Sort of off topic, but will this "kill pill" chip be a problem for other capcom games? I have a pinball magic. Will I have to worry about it becoming a brick in the future?

Yes. Not something that dies though, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

LTG : )