Good point. It’s even beyond that: all the mecanisms will be WMS including the through. Only the drop target might stay Capcom’s... but not even sure. So we are far from what IPB did and built.
Now it’s nice to get a kingpin anyway but that will be not be the same pinball. It would be also nice the new software but it should take a lot of time to code and money: on other project it was one of the most complicated thing to achieve so I hope for them everything will go well and it will not takes several more years if it will ever go to the end.

It’s was about a « remake » of Capcom so here it’s also like a virtual table or any delays you could get with a emulator and difference of feel, yes. It’s easier, maybe a good idea the WMS stuff whatever, but at the end, the game will not be the same as BBB remake with the same boards, parts and so on. I will not debate beyond on that, it was just my point. Having a Kingpin redone would be nice and times to move on a real remake... yes. It’s not blaming them to say that, just a fact.
I think they have roadblocks and choice has to be made.

cool down... and yes there are difference with time response time with flippers with emulations.

just check this thread:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/it-s-time-to-talk-about-cgc-remake-flippers-

here we have emulation AND the use WMS flippers (pretty much everything is WMS). First thing first, there is no Kingpin yet and might never will be. So let's see if it happen to restart this discussion but I don't think I'm the only one sensible with this even if I could go for it anyway, I just don't want to ignore it, that's it.

The budget is coming from their own money and solutions has to be done to make this project feasible. This cannot be compared with IPB as well.

I don’t read anything which go against what I said. You can’t say with those quotes that the emulations will behave the same and it’s already not the case with CGC.
I don’t know what you eat or if you have any personnal grudge against me and it’s fine.
It will not prevent the pin to be great to play, my point was just to say there will be difference whatever you say and quotes you will share.

Anyway I will close the debate with wishing the best for you and this project.

Ok interesting. You are right in the part but I disagree with the potential impacts on the software and the system. Now maybe people will not care if the « feel » difference knowing almost no one has never played the original.

first thing, I want to say that I was really excited for this project and really rhave espect for the good will for this project.

but, let's be realistic:
I might be the only one to ask on Pinside this question but, is it normal that CM is still working on PF and/plastic stuffs after more than 3 years on this project?
We are not talking about manufacturing parts, it's still pre-design phase.

What about partnership with a manufacturer? nothing, a new software info, the Kingpin 2.0 ? nothing, a start of a prototype build ? nothing.
I might be wrong but even when you don't share anything could mean a lot of things, there are still bad signals which show that this project is not moving forward whatsoever, it could (probably) never ends, and will finish as good will at expos with fall dreams for everyone who though this project feasible.

So whats wrong? The first proto was done in 6 months. Incredible performance for sure but it was built with an Emulator and Capcom parts eveywhere which will not likeky be the target for the production.

I don't expect anything anymore since they didn't provide any date. They didn't still any money from eveyone, sure, but maybe they sold dream for nothing but some nice time and expos and then nothing...

Pinball is hard, I do respect the engagement work anyhow but think this project has been under-evaluated by its complexity. If CGC or AP could take over, it would be a completly different story and I really hope there are discussion in this direction.

I discuss with friends who got also the translites and they do share my view. They are no longer waiting for anything.

That’s what I’ve heard too and it’s really concerning. Working on several projects at once may be an excuse, maybe not. It ended bad on other stories but « not taking preorder money » and « good will » doesn’t mean they have the skills and professionalism to perform this. The first red flag I remembered was when they said they though it was possible for them to deliver their first pin end of 2018 which we all know was impossible.

Ok for using WMS parts, fine by me, but even that was a decision to take shortcuts and simplify the BOM. Where are we now, more than 3 years after ? For the same time IPB had already their BOM and parts, resolved unbelievable hard issues, produced their own parts, figure out the BOM with real Capcom genuine parts, got all the suppliers in order…, from CM: nothing because that’s true. There are not progressing on anything.

Small pinball regular issues seems crazy wall for them and takes months and months to figure out. I don’t want to talk about the 2.0 software which is probably not coded yet and we all know it’s probably one of the costly things and longterm things to achieve.

Again, the only way I see this happening now, would be serious skills people from CGC, AP or even Spooky to help those guys but I don’t see it happening anytime soon.

After a while,if you can’t do something, find people who can.
It’s time to say the truth…

I’ve heard playfield issues for more than a year now and they overcame this by free extra support on the project. A prototype? I think the COVID will be erased from earth at that time it will happen.

I’m still wondering what was the point to build a first Kingpin which will not match the planned production one on anything.

Nice show off at the pinball events thought, it created talk at least and finally, a nice poster for the game room …

I think it’s more a proof of concept, but whatever.
LTG, you’re the nice guy and i like you and I know you will never go against the project and I do respect you for that. For me, after more than 3 years of unacheived things, we ce speak freely.

I know the Python’s story and the Kingpin was supposed to finance the PC. They are nice guys with great heart for sure but not professional or skills enough IMO and the hope equal to the desillusion. Sorry but it’s the truth.
We all can say if they release something, we will buy it. Now we can’t ignore there isn’t been any significant progress in years... not even mentioning the new software they never had any clue of what they were selling.... honestly, for me, no new software was fine, just the original was enough.
We are now talking about an emulator and WMS parts everywhere, an out the shelve P-ROC board from Multimorphic to drive everything... and it’s like building the Titanic for them.
I could also say to everyone that I will build the next Iphone in my garage and show off everywhere , now do I have the skills to do it and the mean? (money?) that’s another story...

Hello Flynibus. Happy to see you too. I’m happy you come here and defends the project with your translite ... oops sorry, do you have one?
That say it all. You talk and you talk and ... you know everything. (Like always).
Note: i have never been a Jpop fan... WTF?!?
Please give us a feedback on the project, I would change my mind right away.
I don’t have timeline. There have never been any timeline. So what about we are in 2031 and we continue this chat, am I allowed Flynibus to say anything if there is still no progress? I might ask you before posting next time.
They do have a life, I do also and so are you.
There are more important things than pinball in life: for that, we agree! Finally!
So be it

Pinball is just a hobby for me sorry and I have others. What part of my posts you didn’t understand?, I’m not into this project anymore, I think I’ve explained myself already.
I don’t spend my life in here like some. I think, and this is my personal opinion, and I could be wrong, that there is really few chance this will ever happen but...
anyway, to close and not to hurt feelings, good luck to the team.

Incredible work. The software was not finished however, it’s obvious it lacks polish and a lot of lamp effects like good shots and else. It seems a bit dead like the CC a bit. The plan was to remove the sudden death because it didn’t work out well during tests (Share in interview by Mark) in time aspect of the game but they never had time to do it. The only hope was to rework the software but not a single word on that since the start and it’s probably something way more complicated to accomplish that recreating the playfield for instance. Even this aspect takes a long time. This game needed a lot of work to be « as planned designed ». It’s true to say it looks good as it is, it’s just it was not the final plan.
It was way behind the BBB ad far as completed.

Yes i do agree on the fact it could have been an even more fantastic game with a better code but some flaws were not corrected and it was going to have a new game rule with removing the sudden death one (there was 2 game mode as you know) and improving the other one. Also, if you compare with other capcom games, you could see than those have fantastic light shows happening with good shots, new sequences and else... on Kingpin, there are some, but really few like the casino or the start multiball and it feels kind of obvious this one probably still in work in progress. Kingpin feels a bit like CC but even less finished, so it needs a new software like ccc to be as designed and greater.
Regarding the proto rule, yes, this is fantastic to have a whole game with a wizard mode and such great animations, probably the best one of its time for sure. The layout seems great as well with its ramps.

Here is a video of PM and BBB in dark environment just to compare the light shows, it was one of the capcom asset:

This Kingpin project purpose was already there to feed money for the original pinball Circus remake project as it was a promess to be fullfiled (creaw team is Circus Maximus). The pinball Circus project was already slow but this one... not saying that pinball is easy bit I think some folks will have change hobbies when and if this will ever get done.

I couln’t agree more. What with sharing progress even really tiny one? What the big deal? It should keep the dream alive. It seems like everything is frozen now. The last update was not highlighting a master control of anything, more like we depend on others for scanning the playfield and when we have time blablabla... things are hard blablabla ... other things to do other than this blablabla.
If this is over, please be honest about it, one should move on... but at least it’s honest.

Just came checking on here, several months have past. No change.

Did anyone try to reach on their website with a PM? https://www.circusmaximusgames.com/
I tried (few weeks ago): I just asked for a quick update and no answer.
I understand the project is tough and manufacturer hard to find and no longer expect too much but just a transparent update would be nice for people who bought the translite and maybe also the one who bought the #1 with auction.
No arm for that.

Yes.
At the same time, just noticed this project, it seems pretty advanced.
To my knowledge,(at least) 2 other really skills guys made it. I think that, even if the target was not manufacturing, a lot of roadblocks has been overcome.

https://m.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLhibZhjmIXa4-IRSRK86AdNCC9bVWUzXp

AP would be the best candidate for this. Hopefully they have reached them.
Update on that would be good. No news no good sign.

Last post from Paul (@pkiefert) was done 2 years ago. It’s a little bit long to not communicate knowing audience is not asking much.

Got some infos but don’t hold your breath.
There is still no manufacturing contract none partnership for now.
A manufacturer is interested (guess who) and a discussion has been started but it stayed like this and that’s it. They need to start over the chat at an expo, if it will ever happen. They are not focused on that whatsoever because they want/prefer (i guess) do things themselves for some reasons and maybe keep the control over the project or maybe, they are just not ready.

If it stays like this, they have several more years of development (according to them, and we can believe it). They just got the original films from a private collector 2 weeks ago from nederlands who contacted them (thanks to him ! ) so I guess they’ll need to start over some of the work they have done already but it’s still a good thing.

Almost 5 years after, it still look like they were in the beginning of this dev. I understand building a pinball is hard. I can’t imagine this will go to the end without any solid partnership and/or someone taking over IMO but we’ll see. Since it’s really hard to get any solid infos because there is no more channel of communication (Pinside is avoided), this will be not be known after a while I guess.

This project was supposed to finance the PC project, so the PC project is still behind all this.

Seems like IMO it’s hard to justify so little avancement after so much time.

Regarding the film : That’s the original that are used to create the cabinet/playfield/plastics/etc. Stuff they used for the silkscreen and some of « the original hand drawn stuff ».

Not sure why you downvoted my post. I was answering to you with what I know that’s it. My english may not be perfect, sorry about it.

Note: i removed my sentence, i was not clear enough. My bad.

Yes. That was from CM, not from me.
There is a reason why they are no more posting. No big deal for that: i can understand.
I have more concern about the project itself going to the end.
I understand now why it was understood the wrong way.

No pb. Again, i was not clear enough, i think it was my fault in the first place.

yes, it is

I suspect an empty cabinet ! Still better than what CM is offering.
I think it’s strange to avoid communication like that, I think their last post on pinside was 2 years ago. Don’t seem they are proud of anything right now.

I wonder what will happen for the people who paid high money to get #1, the first to be produced by CM. It was an auction as I remembered.
CM should have stayed focus on pinball circus, maybe it would be more advanced today and they might have found a partner for this.

The first posts from CM, they have shown pictures of a rebuilt of an orignal capcom kingpin clone in their garage somewhere, then they runned it with an emultion lcd and (i think) a P-ROC and bring it to the shows. This first Kingpin was not what was they wanted to build:
The real plan from CM was to make a « new » pin with a different BOM, with cheaper off the shelfs..mech, a combinaison of new softwares, original and new, new « finished » cabinet decals and so on and so on.
At they end, they announced things and then, radio silence.
I don’t think they realized the difficulty and the challenge nor what involve a new development of software cost would bring and other things.
Someone has said « run away », it’s a bit harsh but i think it’s the closest from the truth. Yes they didn’t take any preorder money, but anyhow, there is still disappointment anyhow, for them too, i can imagine. I hope serious player, to take over. Maybe AP is the only real possibility, i don’t know.

They got inspired !

Dead or not, here is the presentation from 5 years ago… it was a good start, i don’t get what happened