Derek must of had a liquid lunch or something as he's usually bustin my balls more then rubbin em!
I do pride myself on making nothing from something.

The way the market is...with "B" Williams/Bally games selling for 5K on average, you're not far off thinking that a recent NIB game should sell for close to what it was new. Let's face it, the market is crazy right now...and I thought it was crazy 3 years ago. Depending on the shipping and taxes, most Stern Pros are 8K when they arrive at your door. Considering that if you can find someone actually moving one and they've looked after their shiny new toy, I don't think asking 7K for a "like new" game is all that far off. I know I would have gladly paid $6800 cash for slightly used Stern Pro before buying my NIB MET Pro last month...just sayin'.

I know it's not the sale thread, but anyone message this guy and get a response by any chance?

Someone from Calgary was on their way up today to look at them. Depending what they find, a deposit may be made tonight.

Very cool. I know I wouldn't have minded getting my hands on that T3. That's just the way it goes though!

Well if that someone from Calgary is on here, and does not want to haul all those pinballs back to Calgary. I would be interested in Totan or ARFM. Leave a pin or 2 in Edmonton I say

If the games are in nice/decent shape, I think you could actually make a few bucks and get all the redemption games for free. Recent sales added up exceed the price as is. Get a better price and your in business. I thought about inquiring but have to much on my plate to spend $35-40K right now.

Yup for sure given the market. Myself and a friend have been offered more north of $10K for Hobbit too. The dollar is killing everything, which is good or bad I guess, if your selling or buying.

I called and he said someone local was taking them all and I believe he also said he had a few parties interested. Seemed like a good guy!

With this all being said shouldn't there be a difference between recently nib huo and recently nib routed? No attack on anyone just stating my thoughts. With thinking this way it is the reason for the "market" being so crazy priced.

I've really never understood this. I've seen routed games that are mint, and HUO games that have been played to death and have some really bad 'repairs' done to them.

Condition is king. If an OP takes care of their games, why would they be worth less?

Yeah, he emailed me this morning and said it was all sold. Too bad, but someone got a good score!

For sure Smoke...exactly what I was just going to say...condition is King.

Post a modern stern game for sale that's in mint condition and describe it as such. Don't say it's routed or HUO. Ten people will email asking if it's HUO. I don't have a problem with routed games and have many in my collection, but if it's been routed I want to pay less because I know I'll get less when I go to sell it.

I agree that condition is king and I agree that huo and routed is a blurry line because it is case by case not just a general statement. The thing is with routed games there are things that are out of even the best/most consistent operator. For instance the woz that is at rebellion was being played by some huge guy and he smashed the glass on the machine. That is something that wouldn't be happening in a huo environment. Well I hope anyways. Like I said it's not a dig at you at all pokey I have mad respect for you it's just my perspective on the way the market is.

I've seen glass smash in people's homes

And is it a huo if it's been used in league play?

Blurry is an understatement

Point taken I agree but there are multiple things. I've played on locations and the glass is sticky with beer. Having drink holders on the machine, someone other then you using non proper cleaning product on the cabinet. Also play numbers. As I said prior it's just my opinion and I'm entitled too it. I don't think there is even a comparison on which machine takes more abuse.

And the glass smashing incident the guy hammer fisted the glass btw not a random ball ricochet.

I don't know how other people play their games at the house but there's no beers on my machines or hammer fisting going on.

That being said I have lots of experience playing pokeys machines and I know he was nonstop on his matinance/upkeep and would see him out once or twice a week at places on his route prior to having the cafe. He also urges people to take his number and text him if any problems arise so he can get them fixed before they wreck more stuff.

Everything you said, while likely true for routed, is still not making a strong case, as this is all user based.

Lots of home machines have drink holders, I know lots of home owners who put drinks ON games (and I hate seeing it).

And play number is a moot point as well. Have you ever gotten a game home and it being new to you you just play it, over and over and over and over again? You aren't limited by pumping coins into the thing, you just keep pressing start.

I'm not trying to be a smartass, just stating what's already been said. Huo is a term that needs to be taken with a grain of salt until you physically see the game.

If your friends spill drinks & smash the glass out with their fists at your house I think u need new friends! ROUTED typically get played almost every night while HUO most likely gets less plays and more respect. It's like buying a used car.. if it's a one owner vehicle or off a companie's fleet..which one are you going to generally want more? The one used by a bunch of random people who bag the shit out of it or the that you know the history of its use.

My point stands on the fact that HUO is a vague term, and like i mentioned prior, it all goes back to 'condition is king', which we have all agreed on.

And if my friends mistreat my games, they dont return. Im lucky enough to say I have yet to need to stop anyone from playing my games.

Yes it's a vague term..but my understanding of the term in reference to pinball machines is that MOST LIKELY means it has not been abused in a public environment, and that it TYPICALLY doesn't get played every nite by random people who don't treat it as their own. So taken with a grain of salt & GENERALLY speaking Meegis, would you buy a one owner car or a fleet vehicle?

Or you could just lie and say it's HUO, Im the second owner, the first one bought it new. Then get it home and find out otherwise. Not that anyone would do this.

Condition is king for sure and some sellers are douche bags.

Just saying.

It is always buyer beware in any used item you purchase. Always inspect a machine before you buy or ask for a ton of pictures unless you really trust the owner on the other side. HUO, lightly routed, mint, small wear, small cracks, slight cupped inserts these are all just general terms. One person's perceptions of condition can be different then yours so make sure you clearly look before you buy. Some people who sell don't know how to maintain a machine and don't know better and others are just plain shady. If you don't do the due dilligence then you can only blame yourself if you are not getting what you expected.

If the one owner car smells like cigarettes, has a bunch of accident history, and looks like shit.

While the fleet car has full dealer service records,and seems to be on the up and up.

My answer is clear.

Hey, no worries. The market stinks for everyone.

99% of all pins made before 1998 were routed at some point in their life. People still over pay for those.

*shrug* It is what it is.

No

No I agree and the key point is people over pay and that is what is driving the price up. When people are adding in things like tax and import fees for others to buy local and they don't have a business. And the crazy thing is people are paying those prices.

supply and demand. Certain titles of older games are desired and its a feeding frenzy to get them when they pop up. Top 10 games don't last a day once they go up for sale if its even remotely reasonably priced. Currently the supply of older pins is not meeting the demand of new/existing owners. I think the hobby is going through a huge spike in interest and growth. Unfortunately in Canada this just happens to be taking place during a very poor dollar.

Hey Saskatchewan guys.... just letting ya know a new location for pins in saskatoon!!! Zervos tavern has five pins. They are open 9:30am-2:00am everyday.... so if your in town stop by! Current line up is :
AEROSMITH PRO
AC/DC premium
Transformers pro
Lethal weapon 3
Sorcerer

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Nice lineup! Sorcerer!

Damn, I want to try a nice Sorcerer out, fun game but I've only ever played a really beat up one.

Two words for that sweet ass line up... Danny faakin Glover! Ok..almost 3 words. Haha

OK OK OK..... gotta love the Leo....

Stopped by Zervos at 10am this morning. Went to try the lineup out but had more fun with the two young blondes doing jack shooters at 10:30 in the morning "Why are you playing pinball?" I got asked a half a dozen times or so.

I went specifically to play Aerosmith. Man what a disappointment. (Gameplay, not condition) Sorcerer and transformers got the rest of my money. I don't know why no love for transformers. My first time playing it and enjoyed it enough where I'd like to own one. If you consider parting with it toaster maybe we can work something out.

All in all, nice neighborhood pub. Great lineup, friendly waitress, free popcorn, 10 vlts or so, beer was pricy and only 3 beers on tap but menu looked good. Definitely recommend popping in when you're in Saskatoon.

Ha me for stopping in ..... what did you hate about Aerosmith? I like it but don't love it.... but I agree transformers is such a great theme and game.... I will send a pm if I part with it.... probably Aerosmith first thou.... and yes thier beer lineup needs some improvement.

I hate that every 2 of 3 balls exits the bumbers hits the slings and drains without even flipping once. Then the 2nd ball goes straight from bumpers to right lane drain. Also felt very Metallica but not in a fun way. Only played 5 games and moved on. I can't stand when you lose cause of no fault of your own. Like the animations and playfield artwork but just not for me. I'll put $20 in tf and sorcerer instead!

Toastmaster, is Alien on-route anywhere or is that in your personal collection for now? I'm going through Saskatoon on my way to YegPin and thought I might check it out if it was on-route.

I should be getting mine for Yegpin,at Yegpin from Nitro.
It will be set up for people to play there.
Rob Zombie as well.

Yep danger everywhere, even tougher without a ball save like I played at Nationals fun game thou.

No ball save would be even more brutal. I'd probably enjoy it at a home environment where my dollar doesn't disappear in under 2 minutes. Seriously fastest I've ever drained 3 balls. Probably under 1 min. Once I got to play a while not knowing rules at all it seemed fun but I keep hearing sparky and made me wish pokeys was open to go play met.

I was for sure at the cafe. Should have stopped by and banged on the door!

If you read the Aerosmith thread there is some good strategies on their to help your game. For an out of the box code it is one of the best I have played... Bad thing is there may not be much work to improve it but it is a pretty solid game as is.

I thought about stopping but the Masters were on and still had a 2hr drive. Next time I'll stop by for a cuban lunch for sure!

I suggest it! The food was delicious. I bought a second meal just to take for lunch!

If he puts aliens on route I'll be making weekly trips