I have an issue with a 73-74 2 player Gottlieb out of Sight. It was purchased as a project by its prior owner and I acquired it a month ago. So there wasn't a whole lot of history available. For my part I'm new to these, playing and owning, and learning A LOT with the help of this site and KLOV -- but this site in particular really has some amazing expertise.
I could go over a great deal of what it was doing when I got it -- there wasn't a whole lot working. However, I think I'm now down to the last three or four systems and have a general issue of the thing not ending and couple of specific questions regarding the QB and XB relays in the context of what's supposed to be shutting this thing down. Long and short of it is that I believe I'm starting, resetting, beginning play, scoring, etc. as per the usual. However the game isn't ending and QB is not engaging again after resetting. I suppose for that same reason you can't start a new game with the replay button.
So more specifically these are my observations after the last "game" I played:
power on; QB and ZB engage immediately; reset starts on score motor; score reels zero; player unit finds home; bonus unit finds home; credit stepper will add credits; U engages -- score motor stops; outhole relay kicks ball to lane.
Ball one, player one shown on backboard; upon shooting, all features working on the targets and playfield, points scoring etc. First score triggers relay ZB to close.
ball 1 drains, player one, ball 2, same as above --ZB obviously remains closed for balls 1-5.
ball 2 drains, player one, ball 3, same as above
ball 3 drains, player one, ball 4 same as above
ball 4 drains, player one, ball 5. At that point the outhole ball kicker is locked. However there's no signs that the game is over and relays QB SB and PB are still open. There is no reset at that point (is there supposed to be one?) The replay button won't then engage to restart. However, I can manually trip S relay and seems like the game functions as noted above. Notably, I don't think there's a problem in the start circuit anywhere I suspect there's something open/closed as an artifact of the prior game not ending correctly. I've had really weird behaviors that shouldn't be happening, but they disappear and behave if I restart.
I have the schematic, but because of my inexperience and the fact that the score motor is involved by action of one or more other relays at the end of game, I don't know when these relays or other ones behind them are to close and what effect that's happening on my never ending quarter. I made the mistake of chasing down connections one by one a week ago and had a serious setback to the point I couldn't reset nor would U engage nor would the player stepper unit reset. I've walked all that back to just the game over problem again. I now believe that my problem was not a contact but the state of the game was not truly at reset, power off, ball in lane -- just the control bank was reset, score was zero and I assumed everything was reset when it wasn't and was making each new decision on the decision tree based on what I saw.
Based upon the description above any suggestions to get the game to end? The manual is very descriptive of starting the game -- "replay button closes S, relay v, etc.," but says scarcely little about the role of other relays properly ending the game. I imagine to all of you this is equivalent of asking what cables go on my car battery, but I'm smart enough to take my noobie lumps now, get this repair over with once and for all, and have better informed people tell me what I'm doing wrong or what I need.
I really appreciate all the help you guys provide and look forward to a time when I might have something to contribute besides new threads. At least now I'm not having heart palpitations every time I lift the playfield!