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Can i turn my Stern pro into a premium with a playfield swap???


By Dantesmark

36 days ago



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    #1 36 days ago

    Hi guys!
    A thought woke me up at 2am...
    I bought an early JP pro with a chip on the playfield upon unboxing. (Not to mention some pooling).
    No fear, Stern is sending me a fully populated playfield in the next couple weeks.
    My question is... if they will let me pay the difference, and upgrade to a premium playfield, will it work in my pro cab if i upgrade to premium code once its installed?

    Seems like it should right? Unless the cpu is also different in the premium models...?

    Anyone speak to this?

    #2 36 days ago

    Premium runs on a different board cpu I think.

    #3 36 days ago

    Nope. Pro/premium have same board.

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    #4 36 days ago

    I can almost guarantee stern wont sell you a populated premium playfield.

    #5 36 days ago

    I maybe was thinking a proprietary chip for prem/ Le games vs pro. Kinda like domestic games vs, export voltages.

    #6 36 days ago
    Quoted from chad:

    Premium runs on a different board cpu I think.

    You can accidentally install the premium code on a pro and vice versa, so I don't think so

    #7 36 days ago

    The PF would not include the moving T-Rex mech on Premium and LE. I think there is a little more involved than just swapping Playfileds.

    #8 36 days ago

    Not sure, but I think it would work if they let you upgrade, but I don't think they are going to do that.

    If you asked Stern, they would definitely be able to tell you if it would work.

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    #9 36 days ago

    Not 100% sure, but I would bet that yes you can. That is assuming you loaded the premium code to your spike board and all node boards are present with the populated playfield. The spike system should update any node boards as necessary.

    #10 36 days ago

    Im friends w a stern coder... he said it will absolutely work.
    I will keep u posted on if they will let me upgrade.

    #11 36 days ago

    The cabinet boards should be identical. All the magic is done in the playfield node boards. As long as you load the right code it should work if the playfield has been switched

    #12 36 days ago

    Are both P/S the same capacity?

    #13 36 days ago

    I would be very surprised if Stern would allow you to purchase an upgraded playfield...

    #14 36 days ago

    Wouldn't the populated playfield be at least $2500 (retail portion) because it is where most of the labor in building a game is located?
    I don't expect Stern would want to do that.

    #15 36 days ago

    Im getting a pro populated free b/c of my playfield issues.
    Im just asking to pay the difference between the pro and prem.
    If a pro pf is $2500, and a prem pf is 3k... i will pay the extra 500 to get a premium.

    #16 36 days ago
    Quoted from Dantesmark:

    Im getting a pro populated free b/c of my playfield issues.
    Im just asking to pay the difference between the pro and prem.
    If a pro pf is $2500, and a prem pf is 3k... i will pay the extra 500 to get a premium.

    In your situation I think they would at least make you pay close to the difference between a Pro and Premium NIB game (that is if they would do it which I doubt).

    #17 36 days ago
    Quoted from Dantesmark:

    Im getting a pro populated free b/c of my playfield issues.
    Im just asking to pay the difference between the pro and prem.
    If a pro pf is $2500, and a prem pf is 3k... i will pay the extra 500 to get a premium.

    I suspect the populated Premium playfield would have a retail price of about $5000 if they sold them and the Pro would be about $3000.

    Would the main wiring to the backbox be the same for the pro and premium?

    #18 36 days ago

    Dang.
    Pricey.
    If there was only a $750 difference, i would do it.

    #19 36 days ago

    Why not just sell your PRO and buy a PREMIUM?

    #21 36 days ago

    Technically it's possible, but I don't think there's any chance Stern would let you do this unless you have some kind of deep connections within the company. And if they were to do it I would bet that the price difference would at least be the $1600 delta in the MSRP Between the two models. For one, your game's serial# which is located on the cabinet is registered as a Pro. I don't think they'd want to support some kind of Pro/Premium Frankenstein game. And if they let you do it it's going to open the door for others to do the same. Better off just to sell it and then buy a Premium.

    #22 36 days ago

    I think you should do it and keep this thread alive! it's the only interesting thing on pinside right now.

    #23 36 days ago

    Lol.
    Chaz said he’d never had any1 ask to do this, but def possible.
    Im waitn on pat from stern to gimme a shout back on a decision.

    #24 36 days ago

    Have you tried talking to your distributor about trading in the pro and upgrading to a premium? I've known people to do this.

    #25 36 days ago

    That will be my next step if this doesnt pan out.

    #26 36 days ago

    Its a great ask, but I doubt they'll do because they would then have to disclose the play field cost difference....

    #27 36 days ago
    Quoted from PtownPin:

    Its a great ask, but I doubt they'll do because they would then have to disclose the play field cost difference....

    Especially once they see there’s already a Pinside thread about it!

    #28 36 days ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Especially once they see there’s already a Pinside thread about it!

    Yep....he's better off getting the new play field, and try to sell the game as basically new...then pick up a nice HUO the premium at a discount...

    #29 36 days ago

    Totally possible. I know people who have built franken-sterns.

    #30 36 days ago

    So the idea is to get a premium for a few hundred more, while everyone else has to pay 2k?
    Maybe they can throw in an LE glass and plaque while you’re at it.
    And posting this thread has probably killed any chance you had in the first place.

    #31 36 days ago
    Quoted from gunstarhero:

    Totally possible. I know people who have built franken-sterns.

    The plot thickens, I hope it will last.

    #32 36 days ago

    We will see.

    #33 36 days ago
    Quoted from gunstarhero:

    Totally possible. I know people who have built franken-sterns.

    Yeah, I have one of these at home

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    #34 36 days ago

    Thats cool!

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    #35 15 days ago

    Anything ever come of this?

    #36 15 days ago

    Isn't the all the trim like rails,lockdown bar diff. on the Pre then pro too

    #37 15 days ago

    “We’ll let you pay for the premium
    playfield as long as you don’t post in the Pinside thread or let anyone know”

    #38 15 days ago
    Quoted from Williampinball:

    Isn't the all the trim like rails,lockdown bar diff. on the Pre then pro too

    Yes, or at least it was on the OG Stern SW. Presumably if he prefers the look of the Pro cabinet he's happy with the Pro trim. But if he wanted the Premium trim he could probably order that easily enough through a distributor once it's in stock (or just get his Pro stuff powder-coated to match). The real hurdle is that Stern just isn't likely to sell him a Premium playfield.

    #39 15 days ago
    Quoted from fosaisu:

    Yes, or at least it was on the OG Stern SW. Presumably if he prefers the look of the Pro cabinet he's happy with the Pro trim. But if he wanted the Premium trim he could probably order that easily enough through a distributor once it's in stock (or just get his Pro stuff powder-coated to match). The real hurdle is that Stern just isn't likely to sell him a Premium playfield.

    Yea not sure if Stern would do that for him but you never know

    #40 15 days ago

    I'm actually surprised Stern hasn't offered this as an option. Business wise I think it makes sense if it's doable, which I believe it is as well. Think of all the people that would love to have ______ game but space is an issue. This is the whole premise behind the P3 as well. I know for one, I'd be a buyer if I could buy populated PF's and just do games swaps. Current state, I'd love to have a JP, BM66, Guardians and Elvira from the Spike games I don't own already. My hesitation is space vs the $$$ and I just can't bring myself to sell 3-4 of the games in my collection as I enjoy the ones I have so much.

    They could even sell storage solutions. You could probably get 2 populated PF's stored under a single cabinet laying on their side in a small crate.

    I have to wonder if the main reason they don't is just due to the liability concerns of the home user doing swaps on these heavy PF's. If something gets broken it's even more of a fight to get things replaced.

    #41 15 days ago

    Yea am sure Stern don't want people too do it this way because Pre are much more in money ,they would sell any Pre that are more in the long run wouldn't make sense for Stern

    #42 13 days ago
    Quoted from Isochronic_Frost:

    “We’ll let you pay for the premium
    playfield as long as you don’t post in the Pinside thread or let anyone know”

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