lol...not curious at all. But unless you are older than 56, you haven't been gay since before I was born.

paypal added fees when they allowed you to fund a transaction with credit cards.. sending money without cards is still free (unless you've setup your receiver account to allow for free credit cards)

ONLY within the country where your account is set up - not internationally. International transactions (even as a gift) attract the usual monetary conversion fee AS WELL as a PayPus charge.

they make more than enough, just on the monetary conversion.

Again - I don't disagree that they charge a lot... But I stress - we shouldn't screw a company by violating their terms because we think they make too much. That's stealing. We should just use a competitor or find other ways.

By the same logic - Metallica and Sony are rich so one shouldn't pay for CDs or movies. It's not right. Period. People justify it in their own minds 100 ways from Sunday but it is still stealing.

Yes, you can get scammed this way. However, I will say so far so good for me. It helps if he has a friend on here that knows him. You know, the more people you know the better. If it's for a machine lets say 1K or better just pay the fees if you don't know him. It will cost you more but it is away to cover yourself. Also, keep in mind even if you pay the fees. YOUR NOT FULLY PROTECTED. It's like going to court. It's not what you know, Its what you can prove with pay-pal. I have never lost a filed claim because again it's what you can prove. It's almost like being in from of Judge Judy. Poor people or stupid people show up to court with nothing more than he said she said. You'll lose every time. If your the payer ask a few questions like "When do you expect to ship the item?" So things come up so add a week to their answer. We all get lazy or just to busy and forget. We are all human. But follow up and then ask yourself have I been fair with the guy/gal? if the time and excuses are wearing you out file a complaint. It buys more time to get your money back. They may not answer you but they have to answer threw pay-pal. Which Pay-pal already understands the method of it's what you can prove. Not how mad you are or even if your 1000% right and honest. It what can you prove. Just pay the fees if your uncomfortable. If they won't allow that run away! If they say why would you do that? "It protects us both". Pay-pal sometimes charges you fees to send money "now" depending on how you send it anyway. They caught on to all the fees they were losing. Good Luck!

Wow, an honest person! They are still out there! Gives me hope!

Paypal does not want any **proof** of anything.

They make their decision, and it's final.

It's not like you get a few emails to respond "Hey, I've got this proof of delivery, and I've got this repair bill, here are the emails the buyer sent me saying that he was happy with....."

As a seller, you are out the $8,000 and that's that.

Paypal rule #1: Don't sell anything for more money than you are comfortable throwing out the car window.

Correct- we should be screwing a company by violating their terms because their business model is based on facilitating fraud.

Paypal rule #2: Cut out the middle man and just throw the item out the car window.

I dont think this in entirely correct. If I recall, paypal was charging fees before ebay acquired them. I have been a member of both since their inception. I no longer sell on ebay due to their ever rising fees. I was a power seller before they starting gouging their members with fee on top of fees. Finally I just gave up and opened my own store online. I still use paypal to buy and sell, the websites takes paypal exclusively.
I struck a deal on a pin a few days ago and the seller wanted a down payment. No problem, sent him a $500 DP through paypal. He calls and asks if I can send it as a gift. My answer was no I dont do that. I asked what the fees were and he said $15. To keep it simple I just told him I would give him an extra $15 on delivery. Well worth it for the peace of mind. I generally trust most people but its that 1 percent that will get you. Just be careful and cautious in your dealings.

Paypal used to be free.

They claimed that was possible because they were earning interest on millions of dollars of balance left in people's accounts.

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Paypal also paid interest every month on the balance you had in your account. That went away around 2008 or 2009.