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Can / has a 'B tier' game ever become 'A tier'?

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#1 1 year ago

Love learning the history of cool hobbies.

Wondering whether it has happened, either through the passing of time and a general shift in opinion, new code etc.

I could see Shadow doing this naturally. The theme is actually cool, it's just the translite rubs people the wrong way it seems.

With code, well that could be any new machine that is released with incomplete code (why is this accepted practice??).

So ya, just curious .

#2 1 year ago

The top 2 that come to mind is Ghostbusters and the walking dead. Some may argue if they are A or B tiers, but I'd go with A tiers on both. I wasn't into pinball when both those games got released, but from stories they were not well liked when they were first released.

#3 1 year ago
Quoted from Meadows22:

The top 2 that come to mind is Ghostbusters and the walking dead. Some may argue if they are A or B tiers, but I'd go with A tiers on both. I wasn't into pinball when both those games got released, but from stories they were not well liked when they were first released.

Add Stranger Things to that list.

#4 1 year ago

Pretty much every 90s WMS that isn’t TAF or MM was considered a B-tier or worse game until people realized that they’re better than nearly every modern machine.

A lot of the other modern games people will mention are STILL hated by most, they just get pulled up by perceived value. Eventually the people who hate ST and GB will no longer have them, and only the people who love them will own them.
The game gets skewed and then the rest of the buyers who can’t think for themselves will buy it based on the perceived valued given by #1 fans.

#5 1 year ago

How does one define A or B?

#6 1 year ago

Cirqus Voltaire 100% They were sold on closeout because nobody wanted them. Now they command big bucks and not just for the rarity.

#8 1 year ago
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Cirqus Voltaire 100% They were sold on closeout because nobody wanted them. Now they command big bucks and not just for the rarity.

I'm not certain money is the classification for a tier. Is it? If so, any expensive game is automatically added to the list.

Not saying CV shouldn't make the cut, just trying to get a handle on classification .

#9 1 year ago
Quoted from RonSS:

I'm not certain money is the classification for a tier. Is it? If so, any expensive game is automatically added to the list.
Not saying CV shouldn't make the cut, just trying to get a handle on classification .

Beat me to it! Games can sell for the same price but are NOT equal tier. We’re talking commodity value versus quality/design value. Is Monster Bash really on the same level as CV?

#10 1 year ago

Generational shifts and nostalgia explain how specifc games and whole categories of machines can become more sought after over time. This can look like a bunch of B titles becoming A titles.

I can't think of any modern (past 10 years) game that started as a B and turned into an A. Maybe WoZ when its code was awful and people thought the theme was too girly? But it always looked like an A tier game...

#11 1 year ago
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

Add Stranger Things to that list.

True totally forgot about that one. That's honestly probably the number 1 I'd say.

#12 1 year ago
Quoted from Meadows22:

The top 2 that come to mind is Ghostbusters and the walking dead. Some may argue if they are A or B tiers, but I'd go with A tiers on both. I wasn't into pinball when both those games got released, but from stories they were not well liked when they were first released.

Do people even separate Stern games into "tiers"? I feel like this is mostly a B/W thing. Regardless, Ghostbusters is not an A tier game and even I think if you're a weirdo who likes that garbage game you know its not one of the best objectively. Theres too many nay sayers of that game (and rightfully so) that even if you are a weirdo who likes it, and an even bigger clown who thinks its one of the best games ever, it still can't be A tier simply because it has so many detractors. A tier games are nearly universally loved and ghostbusters is far far too divisive to ever be on that list.

#13 1 year ago

Only overly sensitive people get rubbed the wrong way by the Shadow translite.
It is a truly fantastic game through and through with great art on playfield, decent on cabinet and translite. Not great but certainly not bad…

#14 1 year ago

The games that I see having the bigges jumps are the ones that had the worst code at launch that was ultimately improved.

Case in point: Batman66: Stuck above the 100th mark for its first year, after Lyman finished his code it jumped to a top 25 game. We see similar trends with games that launched with crap code (like Stranger Things). I'm hoping this pattern holds for my Bond!

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#15 1 year ago
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

The games that I see having the bigges jumps are the ones that had the worst code at launch that was ultimately improved.
Case in point: Batman66: Stuck above the 100th mark for its first year, after Lyman finished his code it jumped to a top 25 game. We see similar trends with games that launched with crap code (like Stranger Things). I'm hoping this pattern holds for my Bond![quoted image]

I've been a bond naysayer for a long time. I still don't particularly care for the way it shoots and some of the features in the game but boy is it a million times better with the recent code updates

#16 1 year ago
Quoted from Haymaker:Do people even separate Stern games into "tiers"? I feel like this is mostly a B/W thing. Regardless, Ghostbusters is not an A tier game and even I think if you're a weirdo who likes that garbage game you know its not one of the best objectively. Theres too many nay sayers of that game (and rightfully so) that even if you are a weirdo who likes it, and an even bigger clown who thinks its one of the best games ever, it still can't be A tier simply because it has so many detractors. A tier games are nearly universally loved and ghostbusters is far far too divisive to ever be on that list.

GB is probably a top 5 game for me. The new code that was released a few years back was exponentially better than previous code when released. If your going that route on what's an A tier vs B tier ect, then I would say it's completely subjective. In terms of theme alone I would say it's a top 5 theme, with amazing integration and really cool mechs. Along with great code and a unique layout by a POS designer I don't know how you can argue it's was probably a B tier game and has since became a game that many would like to own.

I would also say CV would not be an A tier game.

#17 1 year ago

What about Stern Star Wars? A+ Theme, great sound and light show, fast gameplay, deep rules, etc. It gets a bad rep for having an empty playfield/lack of toys but Stern has sold a ton of them and are still making them to this day. If you look at Pinside rating it would be B Tier, but the theme and sales would disagree.

#18 1 year ago
Quoted from MikeS:

What about Stern Star Wars? A+ Theme, great sound and light show, fast gameplay, deep rules, etc. It gets a bad rep for having an empty playfield/lack of toys but Stern has sold a ton of them and are still making them to this day. If you look at Pinside rating it would be B Tier, but the theme and sales would disagree.

McDonalds has sold more Hamburgers than anyone else. Does that mean their burgers are the best?

#19 1 year ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

Ghostbusters is not an A tier game and even I think if you're a weirdo who likes that garbage game you know its not one of the best objectively.

Must be a lot of weirdo's out there, as GB Pro goes for $7500-$8800 these days.

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#20 1 year ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

Do people even separate Stern games into "tiers"? I feel like this is mostly a B/W thing. Regardless, Ghostbusters is not an A tier game and even I think if you're a weirdo who likes that garbage game you know its not one of the best objectively. Theres too many nay sayers of that game (and rightfully so) that even if you are a weirdo who likes it, and an even bigger clown who thinks its one of the best games ever, it still can't be A tier simply because it has so many detractors. A tier games are nearly universally loved and ghostbusters is far far too divisive to ever be on that list.

I feel like this mainly applies to modern pins. The original poster stated games that was saved by code from a B tier game to an A tier game. Show me a B/W game thats super deep in code. Not to be that person who's shitting on dmd Era games. I love them, but code was essentially completed at time of release. Code on those games are not deep and complex (wouldn't expect then to be). As for the shadow really cool layout, awesome mechs with a shit theme. You put any other theme tied to that layout you have a classic.

#21 1 year ago

Eye of the beholder.

I find the pinside popular B tier games to be more fun long term. Whereas most A list games get pretty boring over time - they shoot amazing but seem to be catered for the extreme novice or extreme elite, I feel I fall in the above average player group so my interests for fun and longevity differ. And with that, those Tier list B games are A’s to me and vice versa.

#22 1 year ago
Quoted from Meadows22:

The top 2 that come to mind is Ghostbusters and the walking dead. Some may argue if they are A or B tiers, but I'd go with A tiers on both. I wasn't into pinball when both those games got released, but from stories they were not well liked when they were first released.

Lyman (RIP) MADE TWD an A-tier game. We should thank every lucky star in the sky he nailed that code into the masterpiece it is before last year.

GB will never, EVER be an A-list tier game to me. Calling that game an A-list tier game is like biting into a shit sandwich and calling it a gourmet meal.

#23 1 year ago
Quoted from Beechwood:

Must be a lot of weirdo's out there, as GB Pro goes for $7500-$8800 these days.[quoted image]

Quoted from Beechwood:

Must be a lot of weirdo's out there, as GB Pro goes for $7500-$8800 these days.[quoted image]

Because it's a great game. I find that people who don't like the game typically suck at pinball or hate ghostbusters as a theme in general.

#24 1 year ago

Top tier, "A" grade as opposed to "B" grade.

While these are very fluid categories, there are some general rules.

What makes the best pinball in the world (The Addams Family) the best pinball in the world?

Partially it's the verdict of history. More people bought that game than any pinball in history. (Addams Family made more pinballs than any other model).

Partially it's the fact that the game was played by more people than any pinball in history. (Addams Family made more money through the coin slot than any pinball in history, and by this we can infer by anecdotal accounts that both players that rarely played any pinball played the Addams Family, and that people who played a lot of pinball played a lot of their games on The Addams Family).

Partially it's the verdict of the buyers of the Addams Family. For it's intended purpose, The Addams Family remained at the top of the operators poll of 'best equipment' longer than any other pinball.

But I would point to something else.

Pat Lawler (the designer of The Addams Family) says of The Addams Family, that there is a lot of 'magic' in that machine.

I tell people that the machine that YOU find to be the best, the one that is absolutely the one that is worth the money TO YOU... is a very personal thing. Each person will have a different answer.

So, "A LIST" pinballs are ultimately what individual people find to be the best on a very personal level. My "A LIST" pinballs wouldn't match up with your "A LIST".

But there is also something objective about this determination.

Call it 'magic'.

There are some machines that have some combination of playfield design, and theme, and programming, and sounds and lights and SOMETHING that just about everyone would say "That's a good pinball".

If we knew what that was, the magic formula, we'd have every pinball be that way. But it isn't something we can define. Call it magic.

And some pinballs have more magic than others. It's also true that what I find magical you might not... but I'm talking about something that many people can objectively say... THAT pinball has magic.

So, pinballs meet particular needs for people.

Some people like to have something distinctive, something special and rare that other people would appreciate and share in the desire to possess, but because you actually can posses such a thing it makes you happy.

I have a friend. He believes that the primary determination of "A LIST" is scarcity. Pinball Circus is great for him. Only a couple of machines ever made, it's gotta be "A LIST".

But I say it's not just scarcity. Yes, Medieval Madness was on top of the Pinside list for a very long time and I firmly believe that part of that was scarcity. For a long time it was the only $15,000 pinball because you couldn't obtain the game. But I say that there has to be some objective thing that ALSO contributes to "A LIST". Call it magic. Some combination of all the things that make up a pinball, but end up being greater than the sum of the parts. Medieval Madness has magic.

I point out Pistol Poker by Alvin G. and Company. Only 200 made. If scarcity were the determination of this mysterious "A LIST", the fact that only 200 of those machines were made would make it top of the list. But, that game doesn't have much magic.

And in order for this 'magic' to be an objective thing... it has to be something that many people can agree upon.

Yes, "A LIST" is a popularity contest. But it's also a statement made by a large group of people that they find the machine valuable.

I've written a lot here about more weighty philosophical considerations.

In truth it's dollar value.

"A LIST" machines are machines that command more than (currently) $11,000 on the market for an extremely good example, or are in such demand that a good example sells instantly at a fair profit.

"B LIST" machines can't be sold for that much money, but still are commanding a premium over their relative cost over the past few years.

"C LIST" machines have held their value, but are not commanding a price premium relative to their cost over the past few years.

#25 1 year ago
Quoted from NPO:

Lyman (RIP) MADE TWD an A-tier game. We should thank every lucky star in the sky he nailed that code into the masterpiece it is before last year.
GB will never, EVER be an A-list tier game to me. Calling that game an A-list tier game is like biting into a shit sandwich and calling it a gourmet meal.

To each there own I guess. The walking dead and ghostbusters are both in my top 5 games of all time. I enjoy the shots and code a lot in GB. Whether people think it's an A, B or C tier I guess is subjective.

#26 1 year ago

How does Pinside tier the games? When I sell a game a message pops up saying this was a tier "fill in the blank" game and I need to pay X amount for the secessfull sale of said game. Is it based on price alone or are there official game tiers that are hidden somewhere on the site I haven't found yet?

#27 1 year ago
Quoted from Mad_Dog_Coin_Op:

How does Pinside tier the games? When I sell a game a message pops up saying this was a tier "fill in the blank" game and I need to pay X amount for the secessfull sale of said game. Is it based on price alone or are there official game tiers that are hidden somewhere on the site I haven't found yet?

If it is by price, then they are all "A" tier games at this point lol.

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#28 1 year ago
Quoted from SantaEatsCheese:

The games that I see having the bigges jumps are the ones that had the worst code at launch that was ultimately improved.
Case in point: Batman66: Stuck above the 100th mark for its first year, after Lyman finished his code it jumped to a top 25 game. We see similar trends with games that launched with crap code (like Stranger Things). I'm hoping this pattern holds for my Bond![quoted image]

Missing Lyman… huge loss to humanity.

#29 1 year ago
Quoted from PinRetail:

But there is also something objective about this determination.
Call it 'magic'.

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#30 1 year ago

The classic B to A jumpers have been, in my humble opinion, in no particular order:

White Water
Congo
Shadow
Dracula
Fish Tales

I base this off rise in demand and price.

Solid B's that have stayed B's:

Jack*Bot
Johnny Mnemonic
World Cup Soccer
Road Show
Demolition Man

#31 1 year ago
Quoted from underlord:

Missing Lyman… huge loss to humanity.

Even worse people just assume game code now "will be great" in the end as if Lymna was doing it.

#32 1 year ago
Quoted from TheLaw:

Even worse people just assume game code now "will be great" in the end as if Lymna was doing it.

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#33 1 year ago

And then there are those A+ games, which like everything on this topic is totally subjective and might have nothing to do with code, rules, toys etc. Have owned Pinball Magic for 21 years. Own 8 other games, and have played most "A" machines. Would not trade PM for any other game. It is my favorite... so it is A+. It all comes down to the "magic" of a game, the memories, etc. (For example, my now grown daughter, when she was little, helped me shop out PM by painting the fingernails on the hand) PM is - putting aside the memories for me - simply great fun. I bet everyone on this site feels that way about a certain game.
Met a pinhead this week who has a nice collection of JJPs and Sterns and an American pinball (hot wheels). His favorite untouchable bolted to the floor game: a beat to shit BMX, his very first pin.

#34 1 year ago
Quoted from Meadows22:

GB is probably a top 5 game for me. The new code that was released a few years back was exponentially better than previous code when released. If your going that route on what's an A tier vs B tier ect, then I would say it's completely subjective. In terms of theme alone I would say it's a top 5 theme, with amazing integration and really cool mechs. Along with great code and a unique layout by a POS designer I don't know how you can argue it's was probably a B tier game and has since became a game that many would like to own.
I would also say CV would not be an A tier game.

The new code is still terrible, and at best the tiers are only mildly subjective, but overall they are mostly agreed upon by the community. The terminology we're using here doesn't have anything to do with your own personal list. Obviously you are rather new to this hobby so I understand if this kinda goes over your head because honestly the whole A tier, B tier, C tier whatever thing is pretty antiquated these days, but it was a thing for a long time and still gets refereed to occasionally.

#35 1 year ago

To the original poster...

Yes, machines can become "A" when they used to be "B". You could barely sell Medieval Madness when it came out at what... $2800 new in the box?

Then over time it became the most desirable pinball.

Stranger Things is the premier example of a game that came out and wasn't "A", but with some improvements became "A".

I would say that Black Hole/Haunted House are good examples of games that came out and weren't "A", but with improvements became "A".

I don't want to discourage you, but despite my agreement that Shadow is amazing... I would judge it to be missing some kind of 'magic'. Other pinballs are just better (they have more 'magic'), and if I could define WHY the Shadow strikes me that way I'd have an important position at STERN giving guidance on how to make better pinballs!

A good solid "B" game is a great thing. But "A" tier are better for your ability to resell the machine at a profit when it comes time to sell.

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#36 1 year ago

All tiers are locked in place and can never change. Same with Top 100. It is not allowable to enjoy any game ranked lower than 25. And you must enjoy games ranked within the Top 25 or you will be labeled a sad excuse for a pinball enthusiast. /sarc

#37 1 year ago

Whitewater is the answer.....

#38 1 year ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

The new code is still terrible, and at best the tiers are only mildly subjective, but overall they are mostly agreed upon by the community. The terminology we're using here doesn't have anything to do with your own personal list. Obviously you are rather new to this hobby so I understand if this kinda goes over your head because honestly the whole A tier, B tier, C tier whatever thing is pretty antiquated these days, but it was a thing for a long time and still gets refereed to occasionally.

If you want to call 6 years "relatively new in the hobby" sure I'm relatively new to the hobby. No, I never heard that terminology for dmd era games classified as tier A, B,C. Correct me if I'm wrong, but referring to dmd era games, how does a "B"-list tier game jump to an "A". I feel like these games are/were what they were upon release. These games are already at 1.0 code as they hit locations back then and I know arcade owners were not swapping ROMS a year after release for the most part. By this logic only A tier games would be categorized by units sold (only exceptions being MM, AFM and MB). Those games being produced when pinball wasn't popular. If your also going by that logic wouldn't T2 fall in a Tier A because they sold a boat load of those. Taking tiers aside the post originally stated was asking what games were originally slated as duds, but later turned out to be great games. The games that came to mind were GB, TWD and Sth. If you want to trash GB as a shit game sure that's fine, but I'm pretty sure that's not the overall census. There are many people hoping for vaults of GB, Tron and LOTR and the aftermarket prices on these games would reflect that census. Again, has nothing to do with my personal list, but those games were essentially "trash" when first released and turned out to be great games. If you think GB is a trash game that cool, I'm sure you like games that people hate and vise versa. You don't have to come out guns blazing with a pitch fork lol.

#39 1 year ago
Quoted from Meadows22:

If you want to call 6 years "relatively new in the hobby" sure I'm relatively new to the hobby. No, I never heard that terminology for dmd era games classified as tier A, B,C. Correct me if I'm wrong, but referring to dmd era games, how does a "B"-list tier game jump to an "A". These games are already at 1.0 code as they hit locations back then. By this logic only A tier games would be categorized by units sold (only exceptions being MM, AFM and MB). Those games being produced when pinball wasn't popular. If your also going by that logic wouldn't T2 fall in a Tier A because they sold a boat load of those. Taking tiers aside the post originally stated was asking what games were originally slated as duds, but later turned out to be great games. The games that came to mind were GB, TWD and Sth. If you want to trash GB as a shit game sure that's fine, but I'm pretty sure that's not the overall census. There are many people hoping for vaults of GB, Tron and LOTR and the aftermarket prices on these games would reflect that census. Again, has nothing to do with my personal list, but those games were essentially "trash" when first released and turned out to be great games. If you think GB is a trash game that cool, I'm sure you like games that people hate and vise versa. You don't have to come out guns blazing with a pitch fork lol.

Yes, 6 years is very green. 6 years ago was still Stern Spike 2 era, JJP, ect. Times were different when everyone didn't have lineups of brand new stern games and we all had to dig for the scraps of the golden B/W goodness for good gameplay. Like I said, the whole A/B/C tier thing doesn't hold a lot of water today and even back in the day it was pretty fiercely debated with a lot of titles (is Demo man C or B? Is Getaway C or B?, ect) . I think some games just have a lot more appreciation now like the mentioned Shadow, which was probably considered more of a C tier game back then, but even then had plenty of people shouting its praises. Eventually enough people caught on I guess. But yeah none of it matters much anymore. I guess if somebody posts a for trade ad and says "trade for B/W A tier" people know its gotta be one of the heavier hitter games, but B (somewhat at least) and C and D tier are nearly meaningless anymore. Some games get more love than they deserve just with all the noobs in the hobby not knowing what is good and what isn't and clamoring for anything, so you get games like Junkyard that just aren't very good but now sell for decent money when you used to barely be able to give them away. Theres more people around who give games like that some appreciation. I don't know I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm just trying to explain that this was a whole thing for a long time, not like just your personal tier list, it was largely a group consensus (although debated).

#40 1 year ago
Quoted from Haymaker:

Yes, 6 years is very green. 6 years ago was still Stern Spike 2 era, JJP, ect. Times were different when everyone didn't have lineups of brand new stern games and we all had to dig for the scraps of the golden B/W goodness for good gameplay. Like I said, the whole A/B/C tier thing doesn't hold a lot of water today and even back in the day it was pretty fiercely debated with a lot of titles (is Demo man C or B? Is Getaway C or B?, ect) . I think some games just have a lot more appreciation now like the mentioned Shadow, which was probably considered more of a C tier game back then, but even then had plenty of people shouting its praises. Eventually enough people caught on I guess. But yeah none of it matters much anymore. I guess if somebody posts a for trade ad and says "trade for B/W A tier" people know its gotta be one of the heavier hitter games, but B (somewhat at least) and C and D tier are nearly meaningless anymore. Some games get more love than they deserve just with all the noobs in the hobby not knowing what is good and what isn't and clamoring for anything, so you get games like Junkyard that just aren't very good but now sell for decent money when you used to barely be able to give them away. Theres more people around who give games like that some appreciation. I don't know I'm not trying to belittle you, I'm just trying to explain that this was a whole thing for a long time, not like just your personal tier list, it was largely a group consensus (although debated).

Thank you for clarifying. I've always enjoyed the Getaway, but don't have much time on Demo man.

#41 1 year ago
Quoted from Meadows22:

Thank you for clarifying. I've always enjoyed the Getaway, but don't have much time on Demo man.

They are both good games. Getaway has always had quite a bit of respect but Demo man is another one thats gained quite a bit of appreciation over the years. I'm just saying there was a lot of borderline games that got argued about constantly lol. I don't miss that.

#42 1 year ago
Quoted from Meadows22:

If you want to call 6 years "relatively new in the hobby"...

Yes

#43 1 year ago

This was posted to RGP 11 years ago and is the definitive answer. Thanks to Chris.

"A highly qualified panel of five judges (Max, Mr Badazz, Chris,
Christopher, and Chris(in NH)) spend countless minutes putting this
together during lunch, based on trend, availability, price, demand,
and overall RGP opinion.

Here it is....... use it as an official doc to base your sales prices
and trades.... this is for DMD games only for now

A List - an elite special group with a high demand and uber-high
prices. They are the titles every man wants and every woman wants
their man to have: MM, AFM, CV, ToM, MB, TotAN, SM (red or black),
TSPP, SS, LOTR, BBB, TZ, Tron LE, TAF, IJ, CC, and SC.

B List - great games that command lower prices but still in demand.
The B list also contains any flavor of the month games that come up
from the C list (like RBION) and newer Sterns that have been recently
released and have not shown a longterm trend yet (like ACDC): WH2O,
POTC, STTNG, FGuy, IM, CFTBL, BDK, RBION, ACDC, RFM, TF LE, Shadow,
NGG, GnR, CP, Tommy, PM, Shrek, Tron Pro

C List - average games that are fun to play but may not stay in an
average collection for a long long time other than a persons personal
love of it. These are games that are easy to find for sale and are a
much more affordable price. C List also is the bucket for anything
else that is not in A, B, or the dreaded F : JD, DM, HS2, T2, T3,
Monopoly, RCT, Avatar, TRS, SW (DE), SWEp1, TFTC, IJ4, RS, FT, DrW,
I500, Congo, W?D, SST, JM, BR, NF, Vette, A13, NBA:FB,GoldenEye, Mav,
SMB, Freddy, WWF, MCastle, Sopranos, CBW, BayW, JB, DH, Godzilla, HD
(any edition), BF, Twist, BShot, Viper, TMNT, MarioA, SP, BBH, MSF,
WPT, 24, CSI, NASCAR, Stargate, WCS94, JY, JP, BSD

F List - true stinkers. These titles have small followings but are
considered awful by most. Prices run low on these games and tend to
show up on the monthly rate the worst game threads on RGP: Popeye,
LW3, X-Files, StrikerX, HRC, SShootout, SWT, LW:JP, LAH, Flint, PZ,
R&B, R911, NBA(Stern), SnS, WipeO, TOff, Hook, WoF, Hurricane, Playboy
(Stern), SF2, SJam, Shaq, SMB:MW, GI, AGBGWT, Gladiators, PPoker,
WChallengeS, FT:BH, H2OWorld, Airborne, BarbW, AP, NFL, ID4

FYI, my two favorite games... Jackbot and Flintstones are C anf F

Chris (in NH)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/maxbadazz

#44 1 year ago

its always interesting we care so much whether others love a game as much as they do or how they rate them.

Not a big deal! Enjoy what ya like. if others hate a game you adore does that diminish your joy playing it?

I think majority of JJP games are poor themes and not fun gameplay, not to mention the Mirco aspect. Fuck that guy

If you enjoy a WOZ for example, im happy for you

#45 1 year ago
Quoted from Beechwood:

This was posted to RGP 11 years ago and is the definitive answer. Thanks to Chris.
"A highly qualified panel of five judges (Max, Mr Badazz, Chris,
Christopher, and Chris(in NH)) spend countless minutes putting this
together during lunch, based on trend, availability, price, demand,
and overall RGP opinion.
Here it is....... use it as an official doc to base your sales prices
and trades.... this is for DMD games only for now
A List - an elite special group with a high demand and uber-high
prices. They are the titles every man wants and every woman wants
their man to have: MM, AFM, CV, ToM, MB, TotAN, SM (red or black),
TSPP, SS, LOTR, BBB, TZ, Tron LE, TAF, IJ, CC, and SC.
B List - great games that command lower prices but still in demand.
The B list also contains any flavor of the month games that come up
from the C list (like RBION) and newer Sterns that have been recently
released and have not shown a longterm trend yet (like ACDC): WH2O,
POTC, STTNG, FGuy, IM, CFTBL, BDK, RBION, ACDC, RFM, TF LE, Shadow,
NGG, GnR, CP, Tommy, PM, Shrek, Tron Pro
C List - average games that are fun to play but may not stay in an
average collection for a long long time other than a persons personal
love of it. These are games that are easy to find for sale and are a
much more affordable price. C List also is the bucket for anything
else that is not in A, B, or the dreaded F : JD, DM, HS2, T2, T3,
Monopoly, RCT, Avatar, TRS, SW (DE), SWEp1, TFTC, IJ4, RS, FT, DrW,
I500, Congo, W?D, SST, JM, BR, NF, Vette, A13, NBA:FB,GoldenEye, Mav,
SMB, Freddy, WWF, MCastle, Sopranos, CBW, BayW, JB, DH, Godzilla, HD
(any edition), BF, Twist, BShot, Viper, TMNT, MarioA, SP, BBH, MSF,
WPT, 24, CSI, NASCAR, Stargate, WCS94, JY, JP, BSD
F List - true stinkers. These titles have small followings but are
considered awful by most. Prices run low on these games and tend to
show up on the monthly rate the worst game threads on RGP: Popeye,
LW3, X-Files, StrikerX, HRC, SShootout, SWT, LW:JP, LAH, Flint, PZ,
R&B, R911, NBA(Stern), SnS, WipeO, TOff, Hook, WoF, Hurricane, Playboy
(Stern), SF2, SJam, Shaq, SMB:MW, GI, AGBGWT, Gladiators, PPoker,
WChallengeS, FT:BH, H2OWorld, Airborne, BarbW, AP, NFL, ID4
FYI, my two favorite games... Jackbot and Flintstones are C anf F
Chris (in NH)
http://usergallery.myhomegameroom.com/gallery/maxbadazz

LOL, the good ol RGP days

#46 1 year ago
Quoted from Meadows22:

If you want to call 6 years "relatively new in the hobby" sure I'm relatively new to the hobby. No, I never heard that terminology for dmd era games classified as tier A, B,C. Correct me if I'm wrong, but referring to dmd era games, how does a "B"-list tier game jump to an "A". I feel like these games are/were what they were upon release. These games are already at 1.0 code as they hit locations back then and I know arcade owners were not swapping ROMS a year after release for the most part. By this logic only A tier games would be categorized by units sold (only exceptions being MM, AFM and MB). Those games being produced when pinball wasn't popular. If your also going by that logic wouldn't T2 fall in a Tier A because they sold a boat load of those. Taking tiers aside the post originally stated was asking what games were originally slated as duds, but later turned out to be great games. The games that came to mind were GB, TWD and Sth. If you want to trash GB as a shit game sure that's fine, but I'm pretty sure that's not the overall census. There are many people hoping for vaults of GB, Tron and LOTR and the aftermarket prices on these games would reflect that census. Again, has nothing to do with my personal list, but those games were essentially "trash" when first released and turned out to be great games. If you think GB is a trash game that cool, I'm sure you like games that people hate and vise versa. You don't have to come out guns blazing with a pitch fork lol.

I’ve been collecting for almost 30 years. When I purchased my BSD 28 years ago it didn’t get much love from collectors. It sold for a relatively low price at that time. Then opinions seemed to improve over the years. People became more vocal that they liked the game due to stacking the multi balls and that it can be brutal and challenging.Prices climbed. I’ve always loved the game and consider it “A” list but back then it was “B” list. Opinions change as time goes by.

I bought a MB new in box and I love BSD just as much. Two of my all time favorite games.
I also bought LOTR NIB. It was never considered trash when released.At least not by me. It was one of the best machines Stern had made. Same thing goes for Simpsons PP.

None of the A list / B list debate really matters at all. Play and purchase what YOU like. I see people post on Pinside that they hate certain titles because of the scoring. This cracks me up. I’m a casual player who enjoys flipping the silver ball. I could care less about scoring.

#47 1 year ago
Quoted from centerflank:

its always interesting we care so much whether others love a game as much as they do or how they rate them.
Not a big deal! Enjoy what ya like. if others hate a game you adore does that diminish your joy playing it?
I think majority of JJP games are poor themes and not fun gameplay, not to mention the Mirco aspect. Fuck that guy
If you enjoy a WOZ for example, im happy for you

If someone disagrees with my opinion of a game there in one one solution.

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#48 1 year ago
Quoted from ultimategameroom:

If someone disagrees with my opinion of a game there in one one solution.
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3 o’clock high I love that movie

#49 1 year ago

The Duker.

#50 1 year ago
Quoted from Max_Badazz:LOL, the good ol RGP days

Holy Shit! I somehow knew your name was Max! Was making a post about a few Chris's and a couple of Max's, making a note that OF COURSE someone named Mr. Badazz was named Max, but decided not to post it at the eed of the day. Hilarious!

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