(Topic ID: 112601)

Can Boutique Pinball Survive?

By kaneda

9 years ago


Topic Heartbeat

Topic Stats

  • 127 posts
  • 63 Pinsiders participating
  • Latest reply 9 years ago by dgarrett
  • Topic is favorited by 3 Pinsiders

You

Linked Games

No games have been linked to this topic.

    Topic Gallery

    View topic image gallery

    th-2.jpeg
    Metallica.jpg
    IMG_7874-M.jpg
    ls2main_large.jpg
    images.jpg
    Untitled-1.jpg
    boutique.jpg

    You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider aztarac.
    Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

    #35 9 years ago

    And this, Charlie, is why you are doing so well! You are doing it the 'old fashioned' way - you, as a manufacturer, have taken the financial risk in building a company yourself, you are working hard and producing games, not 2-3 year promises while taking in thousands/millions of pre-order money (and foolishly spending pre-order money on VIP parties and trips to pinball shows).

    Yes, I pre-ordered TH, and can't wait for it to show up sometime in 2015, but never again. Pre-Order is dead to me. As a manufacturer, YOU take the financial risk and YOU produce the goods and then I'll buy when I can touch and feel. Stern doing this? check. Spooky doing this? check. JJP doing this? semi-check. People can bitch about these big 3 - but they know how to design and produce games without a bunch of shenanigans.

    Sit back and relax over the Holidays, Charlie, you deserve a Spotted Cow (or two)!

    #39 9 years ago
    Quoted from SpookyCharlie:

    ... what more does a village need for a good time?

    A 'village idiot' for entertainment over lunch?

    #52 9 years ago
    Quoted from Atomicboy:

    There is no way all these companies come out with their product.

    I believe I recall Charlie stating that in one of his podcast interviews - not all of these companies will make it past 2014.....

    #74 9 years ago
    Quoted from starfighter:

    Just give it some time. Spooky, Heighway, DP & Skit-B are all laying the groundwork for the future of the hobby & that's a good thing.

    Spooky has done their work...the others? Not so much....

    #97 9 years ago
    Quoted from thedefog:

    Hey now... Riot/Wooly hasn't ruffled any feathers yet. Don't be so quick to judge. And very transparent about progress without false hope about timelines. No smoke and mirrors there. Plus they're both working together now. Sounds like they are the two to watch.

    I was referring to the other companies listed. As for Riot, I agree. I'd love to own a WOOLY - great theme interest for me, and I hope he gets his minimum pre-orders. Just not from me - it's time for these companies to start funding their own projects and not using 2-3 year no obligation interest free loans from customers.....

    #100 9 years ago
    Quoted from T-800:

    Thanks Josh. My point exactly. We showed up at Expo this year with essentially a complete game (minus background music) that literally hundreds of people got to play and enjoy. We don't need 2-more years to develop the game - the design is ready. In reality we have a 6 month plan to build games - order parts, get playfields made, establish manufacturing process, quality control standards, etc. The reality is we don't have $500K sitting around to buy the parts to build the games. If we did we'd be building games right now. I think that's the biggest difference between Riot Pinball and many of these others - we're ready to start building, just need the financial backing.

    I think you can argue the pre-order concept until you are blue in the face (and it has been in the DP thread). I agree that you need to know that those pre-ordering are serious and a deposit of a $1000 isn't a bad idea - separates out the tire kickers. But where I get hung up is the next phase - as you noted, you are ready to build games, you just don't have the financial backing. The customers shouldn't have to take on that financial risk. If you believe in your product (which you obviously do), then it's up to you to secure the funds through a traditional loan, build the game at your risk and then say - "Hey guys, games are done, boxed up and ready to ship, who wants one?!"

    Nate shied away from using the term in his recent podcast, but pre-orders are asking customers to basically gamble with thousands of dollars. If a company goes belly-up there is little chance the pre-order money will ever be refunded. There is no legal binding contract, just a 'handshake' through PayPal or some other online payment method.

    Obviously its not as cut and dry as that, but you get my point. And don't get me wrong, I want all independent/small build pinball companies to survive (well, maybe not VD). I just think this pre-order system the pinball world has created is really flawed. Again, my opinion, and people can do what they want with their money.

    I really truly like what I see in WOOLY and is one game I'd like to own in the future once I get a chance to see it in person and play. Guess that may or may not happen based on if you hit your pre-orders or not. Would love to see it at the 2015 Pinball Showdown in Denver.

    #108 9 years ago

    After awhile just about every thread on Pinside devolves (or maybe evolves) to bewbs....

    Not complainin', just sayin'!!

    You're currently viewing posts by Pinsider aztarac.
    Click here to go back to viewing the entire thread.

    Reply

    Wanna join the discussion? Please sign in to reply to this topic.

    Hey there! Welcome to Pinside!

    Donate to Pinside

    Great to see you're enjoying Pinside! Did you know Pinside is able to run without any 3rd-party banners or ads, thanks to the support from our visitors? Please consider a donation to Pinside and get anext to your username to show for it! Or better yet, subscribe to Pinside+!


    This page was printed from https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/can-boutique-pinball-survive?tu=aztarac and we tried optimising it for printing. Some page elements may have been deliberately hidden.

    Scan the QR code on the left to jump to the URL this document was printed from.