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California power companies shut off power for thousands.


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    #51 40 days ago
    Quoted from Dent00:

    The enormous cost of underground high voltage transmission line installation, assuming that is ever done, will likely be added to the local bills in that area. And you can bet, that cost will be more than you can imagine. Electrical service will become a luxury to those willing to pay a bill that makes a monthly house mortgage look like getting a bottle of water.

    Maybe in some areas. However, at this point it seems like the most logical solution.
    Power was cut yesterday due to high winds because of all the overhead transmission lines. And some areas had no wind but were tied to the grid and still got cut like my office in Modesto, CA.

    Whats next? PGE goes belly up and they turn off the power for the entire state because they can? lol

    As much as I despise our current CA government. They need to step up and fix this shit!

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    #52 40 days ago

    No lights, no phones, no motor cars, not a single luxury....

    #53 40 days ago

    We have PGE in Oregon, but no power outages.
    Portland General Electric

    #54 40 days ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    1.) It’s not the norm
    2.) Homelessness exists everywhere
    3.) Political discussion requires critical thought, not repeating propaganda you hear from Tucker Klansman, Rush Limpballs, or Sean Hamtitties.

    So are you saying San Fran and LA havent hired people to deal with this specific problem? I can find the articles and stats if need be. We both know thats not necessary.

    #55 40 days ago

    Seems as though the fuel for the fires comes from mismanaged and overcrowded forests that are a direct result of the policies of the government elected by the people that live in the state. Time for new elected officials?

    https://lhc.ca.gov/report/fire-mountain-rethinking-forest-management-sierra-nevada

    #56 40 days ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    So are you saying San Fran and LA havent hired people to deal with this specific problem? I can find the articles and stats if need be. We both know thats not necessary.

    here's one...

    https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/San-Francisco-Set-to-Roll-Out-the-Poop-Patrol-490874121.html

    #57 40 days ago
    Quoted from Xenon75:

    Seems as though the fuel for the fires comes from mismanaged and overcrowded forests that are a direct result of the policies of the government elected by the people that live in the state. Time for new elected officials?
    https://lhc.ca.gov/report/fire-mountain-rethinking-forest-management-sierra-nevada

    Exactly. "Environmentalists" refuse to allow clear cutting, refuse to allow new power generation entities to come online, then when they wonder why this has to happen. I dont blame the politicians, i blame the "lollipop and unicorn" voters. And now those voters are moving in droves from the state they effed up, and infecting Co, AZ, Tx and Nv. Liberals lulz.

    #59 40 days ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    Exactly. "Environmentalists" refuse to allow clear cutting, refuse to allow new power generation entities to come online, then when they wonder why this has to happen. I dont blame the politicians, i blame the "lollipop and unicorn" voters. And now those voters are moving in droves from the state they effed up, and infecting Co, AZ, Tx and Nv. Liberals lulz.

    they spent billions paying dividends to stock holders while neglecting tree management near their power lines.

    https://www.kqed.org/news/11737336/judge-pge-paid-out-stock-dividends-instead-of-trimming-trees

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    #60 40 days ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    1.) It’s not the norm
    2.) Homelessness exists everywhere
    3.) Political discussion requires critical thought, not repeating propaganda you hear from Tucker Klansman, Rush Limpballs, or Sean Hamtitties.

    You're as delusional as those you condemn. The sad thing is both sides (politicians) are corrupt as hell. The difference is your base wants more of it (big government type/nanny state).

    San Fran is the model, and as much as you want to deny it, the streets are littered in shit and needles. Trust me, I've been there multiple times and cringe when I have to return for work. No city compares besides maybe Detroit (not as much shit and needles, just a beaten down city). Almost every city has been under one form of political control for decades.

    Politics before country I guess.

    Sincerely,

    Someone wishing for a third party

    #61 40 days ago
    Quoted from PiperPinball:

    and there is no reason PGE has to have overhead transmission lines. They can put them in the ground.

    Easier said than done, thats a massive and expensive undertaking.

    #62 40 days ago
    Quoted from misterschu:

    they spent billions paying dividends to stock holders while neglecting tree management near their power lines.
    https://www.kqed.org/news/11737336/judge-pge-paid-out-stock-dividends-instead-of-trimming-trees

    because the state doesn't mandate the maintenance. when I owned 300+ acres in TN, the power company would CLEAR CUT under their power lines every couple of years to prevent this exact scenario, didn't matter if you didn't want them on your property or not.

    #63 40 days ago

    Forget it. Carry on.

    #64 40 days ago
    Quoted from pincoin:

    Easier said than done, thats a massive and expensive undertaking.

    +1

    Pretty sure anything going underground these days requires an environmental impact study, most certainly out in Cali.
    Further, they need to then obtain property rights, pay for access to the land etc, I know this first hand having property where natural gas and crude pipelines are buried.

    #65 40 days ago
    Quoted from Xenon75:

    because the state doesn't mandate the maintenance. when I owned 300+ acres in TN, the power company would CLEAR CUT under their power lines every couple of years to prevent this exact scenario, didn't matter if you didn't want them on your property or not.

    Exactly... Normally, a utility requires a 100 foot right of way in the area of a transmission line to clear vegetation and maintain the transmission line. This is supposed to allow the utility access to that area any time clearing or maintenance is required. No permanent structures are allowed in that right of way either, because they would block utility access to critical maintenance activities. This does not mean that they own that land, but they do need access to it.

    #66 40 days ago
    Quoted from Wickerman2:

    Oh. Just checked, politics is actually NOT allowed on pinside. Huh, didn't know that.

    Yeah, lock coming soon.

    #67 40 days ago
    Quoted from Djshakes:

    No city compares besides maybe Detroit (not as much shit and needles, just a beaten down city).

    Detroiters, represent!

    Damn, I bet it was nice to be alive 75 years ago when this place was thriving. The "at least it's not Detroit" shit gets old.

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    #68 40 days ago

    Don’t California my Texas! A very popular shirt/bumper sticker ‘round these parts.

    #69 40 days ago
    Quoted from Wickerman2:

    oooh ooh ooh...got to hold out, might lose it....a thread with a chance to bash CA and "libtards" AND environmental concerns...finally, my right wing hate can be unleashed!!!....ooooh...hold it...hold it....AAAAAAAAHH!!!, crap there it goes. damn it. Back to hating myself.
    Oh. Just checked, politics is actually NOT allowed on pinside. Huh, didn't know that.

    (edited)

    Mark Twain:
    It's easier to fool someone than convince them that they have been fooled.

    #70 40 days ago

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    #71 40 days ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    And Dems have run Cali into the ground for years. Name me one other state where taking a dump in the street is the norm.

    No idea where your from or whether or not u ever get out of the house, but this happens all over the country. Certainly not limited to Cal...

    #72 40 days ago
    Quoted from pinzrfun:

    Detroiters, represent!
    Damn, I bet it was nice to be alive 75 years ago when this place was thriving. The "at least it's not Detroit" shit gets old.

    Despite my comments I hope the city can turn around, I just don't think it can happen unless major changes are made. What a shame...such a beautiful city in it's day. Just beautiful.

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    #73 40 days ago

    sensing a "certain" trend in this thread, what a shame...

    #74 40 days ago

    I love people posting when they have no skin in the game. 2 years ago I lost my father n law to the fires and countless great friends lost their homes and life work. I am very grateful for the outages trying to prevent more loss of life or loss of property. Dont get we wrong pge wouldn’t be doing this if it were not for the last several years of tragedy’s and law suits. A minor inconvenience for a greater cause.

    #75 40 days ago

    Does anybody really want to see this any more than they have too?

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    #76 40 days ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    Does anybody really want to see this any more than they have too?[quoted image]

    No one does (or I would hope no one does), but cutting power everytime there is wind or heat or any natural occurrence is not a solution. PG&E and the State of California have are fully responsible, they need to offer long term solutions.

    #77 40 days ago
    Quoted from adol75:

    No one does (or I would hope no one does), but cutting power everytime there is wind or heat or any natural occurrence is not a solution. PG&E and the State of California have are fully responsible, they need to offer long term solutions.

    The obvious solution that it is a little too late for is stop building. Especially out in fire prone areas.

    If we don't have enough water for the people that are already here, what makes them think we have enough for the millions of houses and buildings they keep putting up?

    #78 40 days ago

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    #80 40 days ago
    Quoted from Roostking:

    Exactly. "Environmentalists" refuse to allow clear cutting, refuse to allow new power generation entities to come online, then when they wonder why this has to happen. I dont blame the politicians, i blame the "lollipop and unicorn" voters. And now those voters are moving in droves from the state they effed up, and infecting Co, AZ, Tx and Nv. Liberals lulz.

    I'm not disagreeing with you except that their moving to those states because the cost of living is much lower.

    #81 40 days ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    The obvious solution that it is a little too late for is stop building. Especially out in fire prone areas.
    If we don't have enough water for the people that are already here, what makes them think we have enough for the millions of houses and buildings they keep putting up?

    we have plenty of water in NorCal....

    #82 40 days ago
    Quoted from PtownPin:

    the cost of living is much lower.

    For me the cost of living in Ca. is lower than just about anywhere else I could go.

    I like the weather too and provides for very low utility bills.

    I'm just waiting for the next big quake to bring the ocean right to my front door.

    #83 40 days ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    For me the cost of living in Ca. is lower than just about anywhere else I could go.

    I like the weather too and provides for very low utility bills.

    I'm just waiting for the next big quake to bring the ocean right to my front door.

    I thought the issue was you guys weren't raking the forest floor to remove pine needles.

    #84 40 days ago
    Quoted from PtownPin:

    we have plenty of water in NorCal....

    You guys also have that endangered delta smelt, that shut off part of the supply to So Cal.

    But down here, they seem to think they can keep on building and building. I can't wait for the next big drought.

    #85 40 days ago
    Quoted from adol75:

    What happens when public utilties are privatized.

    That's a good question. Before The Tennessee Valley Authority proceed, the government via FDR had to wrest control of one area near Muscle Shoals, Alabama from Henry Ford. This one area is where the dam was built and the govt. did not want it under the control of Henry Ford.

    https://www.tva.gov/Economic-Development/Tennessee-Valleys-Automotive-Fast-Lane

    “Today, the world knows Detroit, Michigan, as the center of the automotive universe, but if Henry Ford had his way, the nation’s auto hub would have been the Tennessee Valley,” says Chris Berryman, target market specialist for TVA Economic Development.

    It was 1921, and Ford saw in Muscle Shoals, Ala., the opportunity to snap up cheap and plentiful power from a dam still under construction—Wilson Dam, to be precise—and build an automobile-manufacturing city that would forever change the course of a sleepy corner of North Alabama."...

    #86 40 days ago
    Quoted from Wickerman2:

    I thought the issue was you guys weren't raking the forest floor to remove pine needles.

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    #87 40 days ago
    Quoted from o-din:You guys also have that endangered delta smelt, that shut off part of the supply to So Cal.
    But down here, they seem to think they can keep on building and building. I can't wait for the next big drought.

    Water supply aside its much easier (politically) to build in SoCal than NorCal....NorCal is very challenging to obtain permits....theres a lot of no growthers who live in the area....I have a good buddy who lives in Utah....aside from the cost of housing its cheaper to live here than Utah...

    #88 40 days ago
    Quoted from PtownPin:

    Water supply aside its much easier (politically) to build in SoCal than NorCal.

    True, but they have run out of places outside the fire zones. Anywhere they can make a road go through, they build.

    Anyway, the Santa Ana winds we were supposed to see when we woke up, are yet to arrive. Last year they tore my driveway gate right off it's hinges. Shut all your windows and batten down the hatches when those suckers arrive.

    #89 40 days ago
    Quoted from Xenon75:

    because the state doesn't mandate the maintenance. when I owned 300+ acres in TN, the power company would CLEAR CUT under their power lines every couple of years to prevent this exact scenario, didn't matter if you didn't want them on your property or not.

    right, from their perspective it's much "better for business" to ignore customers, even though businesses want you to believe that customers are their primary stakeholders. Dividends end up in the pockets of the people running the company (among other rich folk). Their customers lose power, their lines start wild fires, but their pockets are bulging, and that's the whole point.

    #90 40 days ago

    why can't you take the fight directly to him(or is it her?)...you know, fight 'em over there so's not to fight 'em here?

    #91 40 days ago

    We left California and the USA 15 years ago for New Zealand. Best decision we ever made.

    If you think these power outages are bad wait till there is a big quake. This is nothing.

    #92 40 days ago

    I am curious why no one in these areas of California that are prone to wildfires, have not decided to have controlled burns sometimes to avoid a gigantic, disastrous forest fire. Seems like this could change the demographics and make people's lives better. Forest fires happen naturally in some arid places, so if it was controlled, everyone could be safer and happier. Firemen could go out and clear areas to control the burn safely, make sure no property was damaged, no people hurt. Utilities could clear their right of ways, etc, etc.. Just seems logical to me, but I don't hear anyone discussing things like that anywhere...

    #93 40 days ago
    Quoted from Wickerman2:

    why can't you take the fight directly to him(or is it her?)...you know, fight 'em over there so's not to fight 'em here?

    The origin of the name Santa Ana for the winds is still in dispute.

    O.C.’s Santa Ana moniker began when our local mountains were “discovered” by the Portolá Expedition on the Feast Day of St. Anne in 1769.

    But as far as the winds, some say it was corrupted from another similar name.

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    #94 40 days ago
    Quoted from Dent00:

    Just seems logical to me, but I don't hear anyone discussing things like that anywhere...

    They do fire prevention...it's battle against changing climate and growing population.

    https://time.com/5618350/california-fire-prep-facing-obstacles/

    It’s a hot day in Ukiah in mid-June, with temperatures in the mid-90s, and fire crews are chainsawing and bulldozing their way through thick trees and brush, racing to reduce the dangerous combustibles.

    Crews in this rural area north of San Francisco have done this kind of fuel reduction in past years, yet not at this pace, nor with this much public and political support. The work they’re doing — clearing and thinning 100-ft. wide swaths of land to help hold back flames — is one of 35 projects fast-tracked by California Gov. Gavin Newsom, who has made wildfires a high-profile focus since taking office in January. Locals are on board, too: This project cuts through hundreds of parcels of privately owned land. Getting permission to access residents’ property used to take convincing, says Ukiah battalion chief Michael Maynard. “Now it’s like carte blanche,” he says. “Do whatever you want.”

    #95 40 days ago
    Quoted from PiperPinball:

    CA has gotten bad by all the progressive policies. WE pay over $4.00 a gallon for fuel. Its time to move to TX.

    See ya, don’t let the door hit you. We have our problems like any state. But still the 6th largest economy in the world by ourselves. And Pacific Graft n Extortion is a private company. Not the government.

    #96 40 days ago

    My boss just told me he's in an area that might get the power shut off and it's really not that far away.

    They haven't told me anything like that yet, but I have my own idea how to make power when the winds are blowing hard.

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    #97 40 days ago
    Quoted from Rarehero:

    1.) It’s not the norm
    2.) Homelessness exists everywhere
    3.) Political discussion requires critical thought, not repeating propaganda you hear from Tucker Klansman, Rush Limpballs, or Sean Hamtitties.

    Its not all propaganda....most of it is true....

    #98 40 days ago
    Quoted from Dent00:

    I am curious why no one in these areas of California that are prone to wildfires, have not decided to have controlled burns sometimes to avoid a gigantic, disastrous forest fire. Seems like this could change the demographics and make people's lives better. Forest fires happen naturally in some arid places, so if it was controlled, everyone could be safer and happier. Firemen could go out and clear areas to control the burn safely, make sure no property was damaged, no people hurt. Utilities could clear their right of ways, etc, etc.. Just seems logical to me, but I don't hear anyone discussing things like that anywhere...

    Unfortunately you can’t do controlled burns in a forest full of houses. Which is what we have sadly allowed here in No Cal.

    #99 40 days ago
    Quoted from o-din:

    My boss just told me he's in an area that might get the power shut off and it's really not that far away.
    They haven't told me anything like that yet, but I have my own idea how to make power when the winds are blowing hard.[quoted image]

    Looks like someone beat you to it:
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    #100 40 days ago
    Quoted from Dent00:

    I feel sorry for these people that got the service turned off. However, this is what happens when lawsuits bill huge sums of money for something that probably was not related to the overhead lines in that area of California. PG&E is losing tons of revenue and probably does not want to do it in the first place. People in this area of California, prone to wildfires probably should invest in a generator or relocate. This is also probably not the last time this will happen unless someone takes serious action to allow the utility to operate normally.

    Quoted from Dent00:

    I feel sorry for these people that got the service turned off. However, this is what happens when lawsuits bill huge sums of money for something that probably was not related to the overhead lines in that area of California. PG&E is losing tons of revenue and probably does not want to do it in the first place. People in this area of California, prone to wildfires probably should invest in a generator or relocate. This is also probably not the last time this will happen unless someone takes serious action to allow the utility to operate normally.

    Ok. Since you are not from the area, and absolutely don’t have a clue about the area or what has been happening l, you might want to educate yourself.
    Pg&e is responsible for the camp fire.
    As well as others in the area. As well as several gas mains exploding and killing people. Due to their negligence to properly maintain their equipment.
    It is well documented.

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