My CCr SE landed in my house this last Thursday. Serial #1802 build date June 3rd ‘22. It’s beautiful and plays even better. I’m currently on a big mission to fabricate my own replica topper (anyone else on this mission??), even if it’s missing the interactivity and the center figure. But stoked!! Looks great next to my X-men Magneto LE , among others

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Yeah, but unfortunately they aren’t linked yet, despite my attempts. Chips replaced/added. Still scratching my head on that one.

Issue popped up on my SE last night...it’s doing a ball search, and will not start a game. I’ve emptied the balls, and reinserted the 4...a ball seems like it got stuck, in the upper left part of the playfield, but now it keeps searching..I’ve reached out to my distributor and waiting to hear back..because I don’t want to fiddle with it too much before I get warranty help. Just a headsup, and a bummer, since this is my first new machine. I even did a factory reset.

Extra Cacti!!! $17 for the whole set on Amazon. More cacti not pictured. And not silly looking.. Adhered by command strips and trimmed. Looks trick. Got the train tracks from mezel mods ..they are nicer than the plain brown ones. And just installed the shaker motor! Doing my own topper as well..still in the works. Going to have a tumbleweed on a pulley, between the top art I’m making (going to send the art in to signs. Com to make a 28” wide vinyl sticker, to backlight. Train track is going. I bought an O scale steam locomotive but i may trash that idea. OH, I used my own king henry logo on the bottom lcd screen. Meesa likes it

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This is badass, pm me your progress!? Is it going to work similar to the oem topper? If so, sign me up! Mine is way different but I really do want that damn factory topper lol

I dumped it on an sd card. Had to format fat32 and actually read the monster bash manual, as the CCr manual doesn’t include the details anymore. Just make sure you have the resolution correct for logo and attract , and named correctly, 24bit windows .bmp and it should work

https://www.amazon.com/Woodland-Scenics-Plastic-0-5-inch-2-5-inch/dp/B005SN5VTY

“The Topper Syndrome “

Probably a misprint..SE most likely..let us know though!

I had the same concerns. Especially at a convention. But at home, this things rocks harder than most of my lineup..much better xp all around, at home. Mikey is gonna like it

I will, but I already have a shaker motor
Game changer and it really thumps!

That looks great! My main beef with my SE is the chrome. Yours looks way better, and I know it looks way better in person. I will go with a more rust color (if I don’t sell/trade for an LE spot-anyone out there?), but I know you had spare extra powder-I think it’s a great look. Good job

Yeah I was going to post that using plastic leg protectors *could* potentially amplify the spacing problem. I got to mine, with the hex-screw fix, just in time; just a few tiny wrinkles in the artwork, but still out of sight (within the leg section). This ! Should be put in the FAQ, or a bulletin from CGC or pinside, NOT to try and fix this problem with plastic cab protectors. Use the hex screw fix, at the least.

I’m doing this soon. They came in today. I just don’t have spare, green flasher domes. But he’s (and everyone else) got to do this! It looks really nice and not tacky. Really fills out the desert scene ..again, looks better in person. Amazon cacti set $18. Others not shown.
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Probably not related, but trying to give some perspective on an issue I had..the machine wouldn’t start a game, even when switched to freeplay..and some other things weren’t working..I talked this over with a tech at Next Level, and one of the fuses had blown (don’t remember the slot #). Anyways, since it was a call, and no way to personally see it, I just replaced the fuse, and it’s been perfect ever since..I suspect that not all fuses are created equal (which is true), and a new one had better tolerance I bet..it’s been great for 3 weeks now. So check fuse tolerances? IDK, just trying to help.

Yeah Charles was great. In fact, I was pulling the hair out my bald head on my NBA Fastbreaks, to link, and he informed me the 40 pin chips that Jameco sells are bad, or at least don’t work in these. Ordered from Marco and BAM! Works and have two linked NBA’s now

Dang! That was a long haul! Enjoy!!! It’s really a blast to play.

Hmm. I did the same approach, but it looks like you got that too hot?? Looks discolored. I used a hair dryer but very causiosly ..i did the hex bolt mod, but my front right leg is still digging. Will fix that and use light heat and the spreader tool to fix. But already made a ticket to cgc

Asking here because this is my first new machine by anyone. When should I do the first wax job on the pf and ramps? Currently at around 140 plays. House is fairly’ dust-free..fairly.

Got the plastic led Cactus lights, and threw a couple on the flasher domes, but also put them on the speaker grills! Doesn’t seem to affect the sound negatively (the sound is kinda muffled anyways) what do you guys think? I used command strips on all the cacti. Doesn’t hurt the machine.

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Hat’s off to owning an SE ! I wanted the LE so bad, hell, even an SE+, but honestly enjoying the machine I have in front of me. Will I miss the topper? Yes. Will I miss my SE if I sell to get a +\LE spot? Yes. Dilemma for all of us? Yes!

Anyone else throwing support tickets out for the low/slightly muffled sound output? It’s not a deal-breaker, but I have to say that I have other, older pins that sound better. Volume at 20-22. Or is this just the way it is?

Lmao!

This is definitely an upvote! Thank You for spelling this out the correct way. Some people (or a lot) are just prone to wining, like their kids (or just being spoiled like one!) You are right; CGC isn’t playing games, they are working their asses off to get games to their customers. It doesn’t help them if they can’t move them. Biz 101. “Ease down Ripleys, you’re just grinding metal”

That was fukin hilarious, and I can relate. ‘Forum is lit, and so am I!”............................................. (Although playing my SE atm ).

+1000 here!

Yeah the mirrored ‘is the way’ imo. Although It doesn’t reflect as nice as I imagined, when the backbox lighting is on. Mirrors rely on ambient room reflections to make the effect ‘effective’. But it’s really nice though!

Maybe they built your game, first one on a Monday.

Yep Joy Carpets. Funny thing is, is that I had my home theater (like yours..won htotm in ‘14 on avs forum..also did the theme song to the HTG show lol). Anyways converted my theater room to an arcade. 1st floor (shown) plus basement. I’m movied out’ after doing all that since 1990. I miss my JVC DLA-X570 though. She was a beaut.

I buy 50 mirror finish balls on eBay from the same seller each time.. $65 shipped ain’t bad. But I go through them faster than before-up to 16 pins now !

Well, don’t take my word, but these work good for me. Here’s what I bought.. ebay.com link: itm
Granted, I give them a quick wipedown before throwing them in a machine (I do that with all pinballs). I’m sure there’s better balls, but for $54 shipped, I ain’t bitchin

Yeah but I have a lot of machines that have magnets. Any xp guys on ninja balls getting magnatized faster than normal? I have about 7 machines with big magnets.

Probably a safer bet to add an external power strip, with wall warts, to put all light mods/spots on the machine. #1 reason I say this...WARRANTY. Ymmv!

Ditto on sound issue. Issued a ticket, and no word back on that one.

Awesome story! And nice flip btw!!

OT, but anyone out there can honestly verify IF Medieval Madness will see production/shipping in 2023 before I fork out 13K on a used LE???? The 13K question lol
On Topic. Played the old code with old dots and liked it. Well, one thing that DEFINITELY needs to be carried into the current code is the train whistle!!! That’s so badass, and surprised that didn’t carryover to the finished code!

I have a guy coming to buy it this weekend (in theory). Then try and land an SE+ spot. Or hell, just hang onto the cash for a while ..if it wasn’t for this blasted topper, I would be ignorantly happy lol.

Wise words!

I’m sorry, but you don’t ship mirrors in a thin cardboard box, with no padding around it. Unless it got pulled out before you took the pic? I know my cc mirrored backglass was shipped very safely. Call me out, but that looks like it was just waiting to break on the first ‘toss’.

Lol I didn’t know these new machines still had eddies. But I do know that the original bally/Williams eddy switches were/are adjustable via a small flathead setscrew. And adjusted when rolling a ball over the playfield, and finding the sweet spot, looking at the red led to trigger

Yeah it is really nice. I was hoping though, that the mirrored look more prominent that it is, while the game is on. But can’t win them all! Of course the mirrored parts require ambient lighting in the room to actually make a difference, and I play in a bat cave.

this, my friend, is VERY BADASS. Looks like the best ore cart yet..I absolutely love the iron pirite? or whatever rocks you have in there..I really need to get a 3D printer now..I could save SOOOO much money by making my own shit. And this is the last straw of inspiration to make the transition! Plus, I want to repro some playfield parts (star posts, etc) and thirst my endless modding fix. (I'm currently making an alternate topper for CC..my artwork is being printed next week, onto translucsent film, for an upper backbox..)

my only critique here, is that the wood part should be a little lighter in color, to match the lighter 'wood' in the game..but maybe that's just me!

Will share the topper when its done. And yeah, weight is a serious thing to consider for the mineshaft motor in the machine. I would use as little hidden rock as possible, and keep the top layer of course. You could fill the bottom with anything lightweight, like a styrofoam block or something better. Then hot glue all of that together.

We got a general response, right afte we made our ticket, but that was about a month ago...nothing, ziltch from then on. I'm wondering how long CGC is going to hold this 'Grand Pause', and surprise us all with arms wide open..pretty interesting with such a delayed response..they are probably 'deer in the headlights' at this point.

I think you could get away with a small layer of real rock. But that’s about it. For long gevity of the lid motor (sp).

thanks for using some of your 'dangerous' knowledge and to map this audio section a bit out! To me, it seems like (and gathering what you have noted) that the preamp stage is the fault here..would be interesting to compare this board with another CGC remake (MB, MM, AfM) to see what kind of shortcuts (ok don't thow stones! maybe it's just a manufacture defect-CGC doesn't make these anyways) or mishaps went into CCr audio circuits vs the predessesors ..Remember the good 'ol days when you could swap roms and have a totally different game? lol.

oh, that would be 'too' easy of a fix..come on man..we need to keep sh*t difficult here!

yeah, these are cool..I was going to buy your set a week ago, but just had neck surgery..and spent too much on pinball stuff lately..I will order these, probably next month!

I can't help you on the connections, as this is my first NEW machine..the older B/W DE Sega etc machines were super easy to tap into GI or flashers, etc..BUT my reason for responding, is I'm doing the SAME THING; making a custom topper that will be animatronic cowboy, and my custom photoshopped image I just had printed (to be back lit)..I still have to make the topper box..but the design is already in place..it's going to be epic!

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question..does the manual, or any CGC info online, tell us what the EXACT dimensions are for the legnth and width of the top of the backbox? I'm so done with tape measures..I'm trying to make a topper that is exactly the same size as the top. I know, silly question, but there's no such thing..lol.

many thanks!..That's what I initially thought..probably measured wrong and/or cut wrong, lol. I just had neck surgery, so there!

I had to really pull nails to get my backglass from my distro..so it wasn't necessarily 'easy' to get my mirrored BG. But it worked out..I suggest putting a tad bit more pressure on your distributor, who is responisble (apparently) for communicating to PPS to get these orders achieved. In my case, it worked out great, but it took some work.

that's pretty strange..but YOU ARE NOT MISSING MUCH. FOSTERS IS C R A P lol. Maybe Australia is trying to protect their people buy making it export only..

SO, now that the rabbit is outta the hat, this does explain something, on an A/V level of thinking (and since I am/was a big H/T nut). For example, if you plug in an iPod to your home stereo, you essentiallly have 2 volume controls; one at the ipod, and one at the amplifier. If you turn down your output device too low (ipod) and try and overcompensate with the amplifier, the sound will be 'thinned out, and distorted'. There's just not enough signal input for the amp to amplify. I see this could be EXACTLY the case when they decided to lower the volume on CCR (which, imo, was TOO MUCH OF A VOLUME DROP). You lower the preamp stage too much, then you really don't have enough meat on the bone' to amplify, therefore having a thin, distorted output. just my HT head kicking in here.

this was my comparison when it arrived that day..the mirrored BG actually needs a bit of ambient light in the room, to show the mirrored effect more, but it's still very nice!

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what's your serial number? mine definitely has the issue, and mine is #1802 or 1804..somewhere in there. We should start compiling serial numbers in conjunction with auio issues/non-issues, and see if there was a particular point in production where this happened..and honestly, this isn't work that 'we' shouldn't have to do..it's really silly CGC doesn't hear the voice of its' people. It's frustrating b/c it's such a great product...so close..but no cuban cigar.

You assumed I didn't already create a ticket on this I guess. I did, about 2 months ago..and no response or resolution from CGC.

no I didn't miss that..I'm just trying to keep my reputation squeeky-clean, lol.

Actually. SPL level meters on an app are fairly accurate..they measure pretty close to a RAT SHACK METER, or similar. The issue here is that you really need test tones on each machine to get a 'stable' reading..otherwise the meter will jump all over the place..are you testing in the audio tests, in the menu? but it seems that even if shotgunned, you basically are telling us that your app is reading 17db lower on CC than MMr at the same volume #...which is a HUGE difference.

Phishing here, which is completely legal, lol
If any future LE owners want to sell their topper, lmk. All is fair in love and pinball

Yeah. Maybe I’ll hit up the future SE+ crowd on a topper. Although I’m making an awesome diy topper for my SE. Guess I’m turning into a topper-freak.

Oh contrare. Modded or addon board would rectify that * after the warranty on the machine expires of course *

Anything pinball can be made/modded to work. Facts. Rottendog may have .02 on that. Anyways it’s not a fight, it’s a workaround that us end users have the power to do. Period.

Yet we can send men to the moon.

TRUTH! Yeah, my only 'struggle' here is the fact that I'm building a badass robotic topper (with custom art, etc) that is going to be hard to let go, If I sell my SE, and go with the +. I suppose I could swap, back and fourth if I ever got a +, but that seems kinda silly imo. I guess I better choose a path, lol.

cool! you wanna drive up here and buy my CCR SE?

will do! *Most likely I'll hold onto the SE when people start getting their LE's/SE+'s and go from there..The game plays awesome as it is, actually..and with my topper, it will be almost as cool'..almost done with it!
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EDIT: SOrry, didn't see your second reply...but mine will have an aftermarket topper, lol. I can't imagine you NOT getting your LE..especailly if you ordered from Next Level!

That’s why I just bought a nice MMr LE for K13.5. Even though I’m in line for the next rev. Which I seriously doubt will be in 2023.

well, it's a hellava lot easier to park cars outside, in a parking lot..you can't park pins outside..Inside real estate is much more pricey. just adding my .02

I don't think I'd want to throw down 11K on a heavily routed LE..

*If you can find a nib LE, when they ship (or people selling 3rd party)* I probably played this very table..an LE up at the Northwest Pinball and Arcade Show (Tacoma)..or one just like it..'he' told me that these machines have 1000's of plays on them...they've been to just about every bigger show, all over the US. Which says something for the playfields (in a good way)..just not something I'd throw that kind of mooney at.

I got one of those better backlight and continued vinyl sideart coming soon..and he moves..adding a servo for him to do 45 degree turns as well.

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Thank you man! It’s been a process..about 50 hours just on the translite. But it spares me the 4K cost of upgrading to an LE. The backlight will change to really illuminate my work on that. Getter Dun!

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Or maybe his machine is not leveled. ?

I’ve had a few targets not go down, after a 200 games. Only because i bricked’ them..which I assume is normal?? Other than that, all good.

the train track from mezel mods is the way to go (painted). But the biggest upgrade would be the shaker motor! It really throws this machine in high gear!

those don't look like LE's..they look like SE+'s to me..I played an LE in June, and the powdercoat, apron, etc really set them apart from the standard chrome. plus no train tracks or Ore Cart..definitely SE+'s

yeah that one on the left is definitely an LE..probably the same one I played, here in Tacoma. the others are not LE's though. How did you like it? Did you get to play the topper?

not trying to derail' your sign at all..just trying a slightly different approach..everyone's a critic, lol. I like your (or whoever did this) ideer.

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LOL..yes..so the sign should say "Don't FALL FOR THIS". or..'Fall for this' ..with an evil vulture with a smile, sitting on top of the sign...hahaaa

with my eyes, yes..but the big question is..is last years LE the same as the shipping LE's? problaby the same I would hope..PS ..I played the LE at the NW pinball/arcade show in Tacoma, Wa June 1st, and I honestlydidn't want to play any of the SE's..I waited in line to play the LE..it just feels so damned complete..the irony is I got an SE, a few months later..but that doesn't change the fact that I'd trade my wife for an LE..any women out there single, and like pinball?

That’s most likely a blown fuse. Same thing happened to mine, months ago. No problem since. Chinese fuses are not created equal

Cheap and inconsistent fuses

I’m personally glad I bit the SE bullet, despite my topper fixation. Because it allowed me to buy a mint MMr LE..(even though I’m on the list for the next rev). I really doubt they will be able to take on MMr’s in ‘23. I hope you all get your CCr LE’s and +’s by the end of this year. The wait will be worth it guys: We love our CCr SE!!! Very entertaining and very high quality..probably a bit more refined than my MMr! My .123

oh thanks a lot! Showing me a topper I can't find..and if I do, they are at least a couple G's...lol (until CGC 'does another run'). All in good fun..congrats on your Royale Looks awesome.

I agree with this..maybe LFS would have agreed as well

it wasn't a blantant copy...the cowboy is not the same as the original..I know, I have one . And my topper is almost done, which acsetically looks nicer than CGC's, imo. it's also animatronic as well..the 3rd servo will have 'brett' moving at 45's, on a lazy susan, while shooting with each arm, up and down, as well. I think most of you have seen what I got already..but it's not completely done yet..my continued artwork is really cool, and the colors are almost spot on with the backbox sides.

Looks like we got a new Sherrif in town!

I think your comment is EMBARRASING. Wow dude..totally rude, and I'll speak up, as I was gifted the bigger cowboy from him..and it's amazing..wait until you see MY topper, then you can go troll somewhere else.

28 3/4” basically or 29 3/4”. Dang I forgot. I have measurements upstairs from my topper. I think it’s 28 3/4 or close to it. Measure 3 times, cut door once. Lol

hopefully the drive system is not damaged from not cutting the zip-tie from the get. We all make mistakes..fortunately, I read the pamphlet on the glass that shows just that..not bashing at all, but maybe this will help other new owners out, as a reminder.

This wasn't a Drop ship..it was a DROP SHIT.
Also sorry for your loss..or PPS's loss..whatever the case. I don't see why these backglasses are being shipped in such richoty, small, and no padding boxes...mine fortunately was..but people DO drop shit in shipping.

Enjoying my SE...I suggest pushing the 'cool jets' button on one of your other machines; let what happens, happen, and continue to enjoy the hobby..otherwise, what's the point. At least the LE/SE+ owners aren't tied into a private sale. IT WILL HAPPEN BOYZZZ. LIFE IS SHORT.

I submitted a ticket for the audio issue, like many others..and nothing. c r i c k e t s