I was referring to the difference between 9699 for JP Premium and 10-ish for CCrLE. That one for 9750 is still for sale. Personally I'd jump on that.

And if you're looking at NIB CCr, you may have shipping and/or tax. So more like mid 8's than 8000.

CCR is a pretty easy playing pin compared to JP. If you are a decent player, you might get more out of JP. When I first played CCR, I got to high noon on my first play. I opened the lanes, went to no extra balls and now it plays great. I love my CCR but if you like a challenging pin, JP should suit you better.

I wouldn’t have to do shipping distributor is only a hour away from me so that’s a plus for me. He’s got cactus for 8000$ and Jurassic for 9699$ and I have cash. My head says do Jurassic but my eyes go damn cactus is beautiful and I know eventually they will give us complete code. Maybe I’m overthinking this too damn much. Usually when I want a new pin I just figure out the money and get it. This time I’ve got 12,000$ dollars I’ve saved up and can’t figure which way to go I think all those radiation treatments have fried my brain LOL LOL.

They are both great pins and you can’t go wrong. JP is much more deep and difficult IMO. Cactus is classic B/W fun. Pick one, play it, then sell or trade for the other!

big-c66 I have both games. I play my CCr more than my JP but that's me. JP is hard. I find it hard but rewarding. I can't see myself getting rid of it but if I had to get rid of one of my original NIB's it would be JP over CCr or my other three Sterns. I just play CCr alot more and have a lot of good 'old pinball fun with it. Get the CCr for $8k. Save that other $4k and keep saving for another JP run next year. You are almost halfway there!

Cheers!

Newer flipper buttons dont use an e-clip.

They are pressed together, however you can push them apart a couple times until they get too loose.

Smacking then apart over a block of wood with a big hole in it, or over a deep socket works pretty good.

The same idea for fixing them though, once you get them apart.

FWIW, I helped a friend unbox LE #717 this afternoon (from Pinball Star). That seems like a decent jump from the highest numbers previously reported.

I'm surprised to see Pinballs.com has a CCLE and CCSE in stock and available.

Yes, for a $1250 premium over MSRP. Grumble grumble.

My son and I went to the Fort Worth Cidercade yesterday. They have a CCR and I played the hell out of it and really enjoyed it. I envy all of you that have been able to get your hands on one.

I agree with the sentiment, but it's not terrible considering what they have been selling for. $10500 for an LE is quite a bargain over Stern LE and JJP CE.

I'm guessing a lot of the remaining games will go overseas, so $1k over MSRP may be the bottom before production is finished and prices begin slowly rising again.

This is good news. Thanks for the information!

U want to talk about over price look on
THE PINBALL COMPANY website everything is marked up. Lol

I have both games and I am an ok player. JP is a hard game, it's very challenging, Frankly out of all my Stern's it's my least favorite game. CCr however, is a great game, super fun to play for both beginners and higher level players. I can only imagine how good it will be if they ever offer the "Lyman" code ideas. I waited a long time to get my LE, but frankly I feel it was worth the wait. The build quality is also phenomenal. I will say the only disappointment was the original back glass fortunately I ordered the Mirrored Back Glass/Translite and it was worth every penny.

What makes it stand out....I haven't seen one compared to the original

I had this issue too, also bart was randomly going off. it was annoying. sounds like you did most of what i did, i replugged, got the playfield perfectly level and adjusted the pitch to a bit over 6.5. I did find the kicker switch behind the mine cart , the two blades on the switch were barely touching so i adjusted those with a bigger gap. and everything works fine now. so my thinking is if one switch isnt quite right it can effect other stuff? i dont know im still learning..

The original by which I mean the one they include with CCr, not the original CC, is a piece of clear glass with a printed piece of essentially thick paper you put behind the glass. The limited mirrored back glass option was actually silkscreened on the glass. The whole paper thing surprised me. It looked ok, but its not the same as a translite were the graphics are on the glass.

We are talking about different things. A backglass, mirrored or not, is a piece of glass with the art printed directly on it. A translite is a piece of glass overlaying a piece of plastic with the art printed on it. The original with CCr is a translite.

A translite is a piece if heavy vinyl or clear flexible material that is printed on a printer, with white paint applied to the back. Much like a sign or poster.

The original CC as well as ALL the CCr games come with a translite, A "mirrored backglass" is a really nice upgrade.

A backglass is actual tempered glass with an image silk screened onto it. Pinball machines have had "ink screened", "mirrored" backglasses for decades, it looks really good.

Glass has the ability to allow a mirror treatment to be "heat or chemically" fixed to it, translites being plastic do not. There are NO mirrored translites. However in this modern world there is a mirrored paint that "can" be applied to plastic surfaces.

The term, "mirrored backglass" means an image "ink silk screened" onto glass along with mirror treatment. Although glass can be printed on these days eliminating the screen printing process. Printing is more accurate, but doesnt have the visual depth that silk screening has had in the past. However "Giclee" processes are really close to screened processes.

I REALLY like my mirrored backglass. The colors are corrected to be just EXACTLY right in the LED environment.

IMHO, its just the perfect addition to the LE versions.

Not only do they have them in stock but I got the vibe they were having problems moving them. I was in there recently and enquirer about possibly trading in my ccr and they gave me a look like “um no thanks! We can’t even get rid of what we have!”

Maybe at MSRP they’d move faster. Zing.

I stopped buying from pinballs.com the day they started price gouging. I will never ever go back even if they go back to MSRP. BRIDGE BURNED

I have had nothing but great service from Mike and intend to keep buying from him. He is NOT price gouging and is fair, open and honest. He answers questions s promptly not like other distributors that played games with me, never returned calls or emails and didn’t answer questions. If you prefer not to work with Mike it really is your loss. I just purchased 6 games from him.

Just received my CCLE. The topper has 4 holes to be attached but I only received 3 bolts in the box. Anyone know the size I need or is 3 ok?

Over-paying for pins is your choice. Enjoy!

Wasn’t trying to start bashing automated, just was mentioning he had extra cactus canyons in stock. To be honest Mike did hook me up when I purchase my Foo Fighters premium and he was a really good guy. As far as price gouging I can’t speak on that but I assume he prices his machines with wiggle room to negotiate.

I ended up getting the alternative backglass art cause the original is too cartoonish for me.

I didn't have good communication with Mike and ended up going elsewhere.

That is so funny. Talk when you know what you are talking about. I paid less, much less for the games than any other distributor prices. I did an extreme amount of due diligence. So, you definitely are paying more than I am for any game. I guarantee it. Mike is a good guy and probably quoted you a higher price for you so you would go away. I get that. You have no idea what I paid for my games yet have made nonsense comments. I cancelled orders with a local and saved $400 from their price plus shipping/delivery. Know what you are talking about before opening the sarcastic and unrealistic voice of yours. You make comments without even asking. So you were burned due to your own inability to educate yourself and choose to blast someone who is a wonderful person. More than you will ever be.

I've had nothing but good experiences with Mike/Automated. I have a good pinball buddy who would tell you the same thing. I've always gotten the games for MSRP from him. If you pay cash (bank check), instead of credit card. He passes the savings of the CC fees on to you. Ignore the prices on the website and just call. They are a family run business. Nice guy to deal with. Drove down and bought my MMr, and CCr from him. Two different times, and separated by a couple years. Same price as everybody else. Even after they were done making MMr, before Royal. The guys load it right into the truck for you. Pretty cool show room. They will turn on all the games for you and let you play whatever you want. Gave me some Stern merch just for being a customer. Not to mention he supports the shows and brings tons of games.

I bought a nib SM years ago. Price was great and shipping was fast. I had no issues.

good update, thankyou

Good explanation
Champion Pub was the last original that included a back glass as standard and I think NGG also, Just before CC original.

First playing issue I've had with this great game. Ball lodged firmly between 2 metal guards just right of Bart target. Happened right in the middle of a very busy tournament in my game room. Would not shake out: pulled glass to dislodge. Couldn't find a photo of this on this CCre thread. I'm sure I can figure a way to prevent from happening again but wondering if anyone had this experience and how they solved it.

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Yes. NGG has a real backglass. It's nice. It's not mirrored in anyway but looks a lot better than the Road Show translite that it sits next to.

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Just received some pieces made from slap drain in this thread. Saloon doors and mine cart with gold. They look awesome! Put the saloon doors right on easy go exactly where gate is use existing screws, and having fun figuring out where I’ll put extra money cart. I recommend them. SlapDrain

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Three is fine, but just take one to the hardware store to match the size, or ask CGC to sent a bolt.

657 delivered yesterday.

Any advice for installing the brian Allen translite? This thing won’t go in flat. Everytime I put a side piece on, the middle bubbles inward.

Maybe lay the original on top of the Brian Allen one and see if they sets different sizes. If so grab a pair of scissors…

I haven't had this happen. I've only had a ball get stuck on the left side of Bart once and if the ball goes really slow behind Bart then it will get stuck by the ball gate. Or a slow roll up the center ramp eill sometimes get a ball stopped at the switch. Shaking usually get those balls unstuck.

I've bought 11 games from Pinballs.com over the years and always paid a fair price and on a few of them, I got a great price. I never got a huge discount from ANY distributor. All the employees at Automated Services are great, I've met quite a few of them, and Mike is a great guy, he has fund raisers for children's charities and is very responsive with customer support.

In comparison, I've purchased from another VERY popular distributor and had a horrible time fixing a problem with the machine that was damaged upon delivery. It took 5 months to resolve it and the distributor wanted nothing to do with trying to resolve the issue I had to go through the manufacturer directly.

Who? Will help people in the future

I just had this issue or something very close to it. Very frustrating. While working on it I found if I just pressed down on the ramp it would make a selection. If I moved the ramp at all it was the same. Just shoot the ball and the slight vibration caused a skill selection to be made before the switch in the skill bowl had a chance to move through the options showing on the LCD screen. The problem turned out to be the CGC Inductive Sense Ramp Board beneath the ramp.

I removed the Inductive board (leaving the wires attached) and cleaned it. I also cleaned the ramp above and below. I used electronics cleaner on the board and Windex on the ramp. I reinstalled the board and now it works fine.

I don't want to poop on anyone. I just wanted to make a point that even very popular distributors screw up from time to time. I've had 11 out of 11 purchases went very well with Pinballs.com/Automated Services (including MBLE and CCRLE). That has to count for something.

The distributor I was mentioning was just so shockingly disinterested with the problems I had, they just pushed me onto the manufacturer right away ...this was on the day it was delivered...this wasn't an issue a month or two later. Oh, just in case anyone was wondering why I bought from someone other than Mike.. well, its because Mike wasn't a distributor for that particular manufacturer.

Not pooping on anyone by mentioning who it was. They already did that themselves.

Collectively we can honestly assess overall distro performances.

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Knocker installed!

It took all of 5 mins to install.
Use 3/8" gold screws.
The holes are already there!

There is NO software to enable (though it says its diabled), IT JUST WORKS!

Turn off the FAKE knocker sound in the menus...

Does it sound WAY better, YES!
Is it worth it? YES!

Where did you get the kit?

https://knockers.com/

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