Quoted from jonninemonic:Well, I don't think that reply was very constructive, hence my comment, but obviously there are other interpretations to that word.
Again, I love Eric's work and I'm so very grateful for his efforts, but I can't see how PMG is doing anything wrong building on a code base that is open source and create mods of their own. A more constructive view would be to comment on what PMG has done that is "overdone crap".
I'm also sad that a joint effort with such good intentions and goals broke up like it did. I think we all have lost something in that.
In what way was it not constructive? I like the party menu, I don't like the rest. I wouldn't want to have to work through several menus every time I start up the game (Difficulty, Mode, Shoe size, Sexual preference and whatever else he put in there). The Rescue the Train (which he always called "Bring the Train Safely Back to Cactus Canyon") is where the rift between us started. I didn't like the idea. I don't prefer things that shut down most of the shots in the game for too long. I didn't want to include it. Once I rejected a few other of his ideas, he decided he'd just make his own version, with blackjack and hookers, and his own bad ideas ... and you know what, forget the blackjack and hookers.
Some of Andre's ideas are great - like the lit beer mug (which he won't sell to anyone that isn't part of his club). Many of them are overdone and tacky - like the bolted on train toy with the blinking smoke stack, or the topper with running water that sounds like some kid is constantly peeing in a stream. He just wouldn't accept no for an answer on anything.
If I've learned anything in all of this, it's that I'm NOT altruistic enough for open source. I admit that. I still haven't made peace with the fact that he took the nuts and bolts of everything I worked on for a year and bastardized it so soon after I built it (I know, I did the same thing to the original CC, but it had been YEARS since work ceased on it).
Cactus Canyon languished in it's (generally agreed upon) unfinished state for a dozen years and nobody did anything. I finally get up the gumption to try to make something cool out of it, and when I get to the point of showing it to everybody some jackass trips me and stands on my back to say "Hey guys, look what I did to Cactus Canyon".
I know, I know, it's open source, he can do whatever the hell he wants and this stupid ginger can't say anything about it. "Fully Legit" and "Cool" aren't interchangeable in my head, but maybe I'm just dumb.
I wanted the source code to be available so people could learn from it, so maybe I should have used GPL or something -- not that it would have stopped Andre from doing what he did because I'm not exactly going to go after anybody with legal force for using my code whether it was open source or not; he just wouldn't have that excuse to crutch on.