That red is DEFINITELY not correct. The original color is more of a neon pink/orange blend.
Here is a true original cabinet

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Hmm. Yours looks different again.

Seems to be a lot of variation on this one, which is not uncommon. White Water has about 10 shades of blue across different batches.

The flyer for Radical:
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They are garbage, you can't print Fluro colours with a cmyk printer

Actually yes you can, it's called a Spot Color. Fluro as well as metallics can be printed. Google it then maybe you'll learn a thing or two about printing since you can't even print the right colors on any of your decals, nevermind fluro, and if you can do better then start making Radical? Ok?

Otherwise I think it's generally accepted that your decals are garbage, as testified by many people.

Anyone considering buying decals from this guy ^^ or his associates should come to us first and we'll do you a better deal, with better quality decals.

For anyone having troubles with Radical, please drop me an email about returning them for a refund or exchange.

Most that can't be made cmyk those are screen printed the same as original. Ij wcs94 and Addams gold

Spot colour yes pms and colours over colours making another colour like blue over yellow etc

You garbage looks nothing like the originals, no raised print or texture its inkjet crap with a gloss laminate

Not sure why Williams and Bally trademark owners are not suing your arse.

You wouldn't be during my watch

Quality restorers use genuine replacement decals, that don't devalue your game, yours are cheaper because they are crap.

You use cheap vinyl, cheap non uv ink printer, non uv laminate, only a 3-5 year vinyl, without permanent adhesive.

And no license fees being paid, so you can afford to drop your prices more.

We have no problem selling genuine decals, you will always get people who want quality power tools over the no name brand.

Like pirate DVD movies, yours are just a poor copy of the original, you have no original art

Like pdi glass and invisiglass people will decide what to buy

It really does show how desperate you are when all you do is spend your time stalking my online presence across multiple sites to try and discredit our decals with lies. You should really find something better to do with your time.

Every time you draw attention to our business, sales go up! I should be thanking you.

Oh and by the way, according to the vinyl manufacturer's specs, the material is guaranteed for 7 years with life expectancy much higher. I mean it would have to be since this stuff is intended for external application on aircraft, right? Overkill for a wooden pinball cabinet.

They would have to be, given they're one of the worlds leading brands.

Like you say, people will decide for themselves who to trust and what to buy. We're doing great, thank you.

Dude, we get it... you don't like this guy's stuff or his business. Can you please stop with the continual sidetracking of his thread? And, just because you have the rights to art isn't an indicator of the quality of the work. I've bought tons of licensed reproduction stuff that was absolutely trash. The rights holders rarely, if ever, do QC on the materials produced once they out-license.

I did 2 cabinet decal jobs last week. A funhouse using licensed decals, and the Indy 500 using Retros product. There is no question in my mind that Retro is higher quality. That laminate gives it a glossy look that I like, and also helps protect the vinyl. I accidentally dinged my funhouse, very lightly while installing the coin door. Seems like the Retro are thicker, and hold up better. My decals for i500 came in very wrinkled, but straightened right out while applying.

Ballypinball is right with the colors. There is no way to make fluoroscent colors with an inkprinter. Therefor the BBB decals will not nearly look like the original in UV Light. Same for other colors.
I prefer licenced becaus they are mostly much better quality than inkprint. The glossy is also not my thing on my machines except if there are no licenced. But robotron is right .. there is also a lot of bad stuff with licence on the road. Licenced means not automatically better quality. Everyone has to decise what to buy for his budget. In eastern europe there are also shops cheaper than the guy from GB for inkprinted decals.
What I dislike .. try to get silkscreened IJ decals. There is only a resource in Australia and a set is around 500 dollar or so. Why ? Is there no way to make a new run of licenced good decals ?
For BBB I bought 10 year old NOS decals for hell lot of money ... but the glow in blacklight. Maybe for a VPIN project the repros are also fine.

Why I have my problems with retrorefurbs: A german guy I know made BoP 2.0 decals from the scratch. He did not steal the original design, he gave the files for free to others who asked for it. Non profit ... but now you can also buy them in GB.

However .. everyone has to decide for himself and his wallet WHAT to purchase. I prefer buying , if avaiable, second Gen. screen print. I have no problem with paying some more. Other hand, not all titles are available and some titles became rising prices ... due to not in stock regularly ... why do they not just print an other 100 pieces ..

eabundy: Sure ... the repros have thicker foil, easier to bring on and need not such good preparing work on the cabinet. The "art" is to prepare cabinet and backbox that you can bring on perfectly the thin licenced silkscreened decals. If you like the shiny look .. go with the repros ...

my 5 cent ..

I never said they were easier to install, or need less prep. I fully prep and detail all my cabinets before installing any decals. Both cabinets I just did had MANY coats of paint, sanding, filler, and prepping beforehand. My point was I liked Retros for me because they are a little more forgiving for dings, and scratches and I liked the glossy look, at least for i500.

Good post with good points. Just a few small points I will add:

- Fluro and metallics can be done with ink, using spot colors.

- The guy who made BOP 2.0 art gave us permission to use it. This is a non issue. I have the emails to back this up if need be.

- Not all our decals are glossy, for Stern games we use a Satin finish to get a much closer look of the original. We also do this for games which were originally stencilled. Yes I know, people will say they should be stencilled and not decalled, but we make them available for people who prefer to use them rather than paint. The choice is entirely up to the customer.

Thanks Pete, I'll be in contact. I didn't find any info on reclamations on your site..

About the red color on Radical!, my cabinet is faded on one side, but there's also a small piece of artwork on one beam inside the cab, which most definitely isn't faded, and it matches the nonfaded side. I can scan it with a colormeter for you. I can also take a pic comparing the decal and the cab side by side once I get back home later this week.

You shouldn't judge the color based on a scanned flyer, I can find two totally different looking scans on google, which is due to varying color processing on the images.

If you can replicate the color with a spot color, great, I'm guessing it wasn't the case with this decal however? It looks dull compared to the bright red on the cab.

I really wasn't expecting a 100% match, and the quality of the print is otherwise fine, but as it is, I'll rather tolerate the faded side than go through the trouble of installing the decals.

No problem at all. Just drop me a message and we'll get this sorted out.

I do appreciate constructive feedback.

Pete, I've been trying to reach you in the last few days... sent you a couple of PM's and e-mails... please reply.

I've got your email about the plastics, just haven't checked over the files you sent yet. Will do that now.

Well i saw the IJ today and the headbox decals are wrong, I guess people make mistakes
the colors are wrong and whats with the art being blown up 5% probably so you have bleed from the machines art you copied.

There is like white where there is no white meant to be.

What a disaster, feel free to buy from anywhere but do your own comparisons.

What's with the crazy vendetta ? Is there some Decals War going on im not aware of?

Pretty much.

It's Wayne Gillard from Mr Pinball Australia. He's in bed with Rick and PPS, and therefore despises me because I make better decals than they do. Plus I don't charge $600 for Indiana Jones like he does.

They don't give a damn about anything else in pinball other than Bally Willaims.

Back to the subject of Radical, I found some images of a very nice original game posted on the Arcade Museum forums back in 2014, long before we made our Radical decals.

Here you can see the reds in the skateboard, and how the same color used around the Bally logo has faded to that neon pinky colour.

I'm not disputing that we may have got the reds slightly wrong, but just wanted to point out that it's not supposed to be orange/pinky.

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Where can I buy licensed IJ decals for $300?

You can't but you can buy non licensed ones with larger images and wrong colours, digital printed with head decal images that are wrong for $300

Is this the Wayne guy who ripped people off for MM remakes?

According to this, a "Wayne Gillard from Mr Pinball Australia" took deposits for MM remakes but never produced games:
http://www.skill-shot.com/content/the-highs-and-lows-of-pinball-manufacturing,8245

I don't know the whole story on that but it seems like a pretty big coincidence it's the same name. Eventually the rights were sold to PPS according to this source: http://www.pinballnews.com/news/williamsrights.html

so I don't know if that means that the MM money went along with it, or what. But it does seem to imply that Mr. Pinball Australia doesn't hold the licenses any more

I'm hardly seen on here as i like to keep low however i do a lot of reading.

I love the forum and i've done a heap of transactions with some really honest and great people from this forum and i will continue to do so.

I for one am happy and pleased that now we have options with reproduced pinball parts, as not to long ago we didn't.

Ok.....Time to rant.

There's a lot of ungrateful bastards on here!

Three options...

1. Be grateful that someone is reproducing the decals that YOU need. Buy them with gratitude and be thankful that they have been recreated. That they have taken the time and care to do the best they can to deliver YOU a quality product as close to the original as possible. One pixel out, one shade off or slightly larger.... Whatever. Question......(generalization) if you didn't buy these Radical decals from retro refurbs where would you have bought them from ? Are any available elsewhere ?

2. re create, re draw the decals and get them printed yourself. That way you have no one else to blame or heckle at.

3. SHUT THE FUCK UP AND DON'T BUY THEM IF YOU'RE NOT HAPPY WITH THEM ! do us a favour and leave your pinball in the state its in.

I'd personally prefer that you whingers do the latter. Make life better for the lot of us.

Great I'll take them .and be glad I got some. and for 1/2 the price win win. plus the state of fade most machines are in only about 5% of the people ( pinball perfectionist) who look at it would know the difference.

Haha! That really made laugh.

You're bang on point with it though, especially this:

Just had this very conversation the other day with my colleague about our Rocky & Bullwinkle plastic set. Never been made before, a lot of people needed them, I feel we did an outstanding job. Had 1 person from the UK who thanked us and expressed his gratitude for our work. Not a peep from anyone else. They took the plastics and ran away. Hardly any feedback left on the forums.

Got a ton of criticism for not making the 3 backbox plastics in the set (already available elsewhere and no one needs them), packaging wasn't good enough (although none arrived damaged), a small piece of text on piece hidden at the back of the playfield wasn't quite thick enough.

These were done by one of the top graphic artists who's been working in pinball for years. When I look at other reproductions of plastic sets, I thought we were far more accurate than anyone else.

But that's just the way it goes in this hobby, people will always find something to moan about.

If you want a legit review, I'd be more than happy to review them fairly. They were great and filled a need. I'll do a proper write up later.

Your sales should be thanks in its own, if it sells well, that means you did a good job.

Thank you. Yes I did take as no complaints on Pinside means we did a good job lol!

All R&B plastics are sold out right now so until the next batch we'll leave those out.

Got some other new plastic sets coming out soon, perhaps you could review one of those

ill get scared stiff and funhouse , but i am noob in installing em , do i need to stripdown entire cabinet faded art or i can apply yours above em without stripping?

thx

ps.friend who apply vinyl decals and stuff professionally will come and do the magic but i just need info on stripping existed decals thst i want to replace

Amen!

So why not pay for the license so that no one can complain about you under cutting decal makers that do pay for licensing?

Because it's a very complex area, for things which are 30+ years old and often involve multiple parties as is the case for Indiana Jones.

There is a lot of pinball stuff which can never, ever, be reproduced "officially" because of these complexities.

If it was so easy, fully licensed product would be available in abundance.

Also we are dealing with a tiny, tiny percentage of the population who are keeping these games at home in a private collection. They are not commercial machines any more. If licensing becomes an issue for these home owners who only want to keep their prized possessions looking nice, then I'll quite happily step aside and disappear, but good luck finding replacement artwork for most of the games we've done.

Nobody else in the entire world has replacement artwork for as many games as we do.

Let talk specifics. Why not license Indiana Jones. Some one else clearly did, what's stopping you?

Probably the other guy that got the license for the IJ decals and is now producing them, for starters!

Hey, I for one wasn't being ungrateful, rather disappointed in the accuracy of the colors after being very grateful someone's offering these things. It's great that Pete cares about the quality of his products and the happiness of his customers so much that he's willing to sort it out. The decals might be reasonably priced, but 200$ is still no small change.

And Pete, that example of Radical seems about right, it's just that the decals are way off.. I'll post the pic first thing I get back home this weekend.

When you get a license for the Street Fighter stuff you make and sell, maybe I'll get one for Indiana Jones. Ok?

Yes I know. If you can drop me an email asap please so we can organise a return and refund for you that would be great.

You're kind of proving my point though. He isn't licensing *any* of the art he sells, and tons of it isn't licensed by any other printers. Ask him why he doesnt license and instead of a direct answer you get this:

That reads to me "I dont license because I dont want to/dont know how to/dont want to spend the money , and I sell it anyway."

He then defends printing stuff he didnt license by saying he does it better and cheaper than those who did license it. Its obviously going to be cheaper if you dont actually pay the licensing to sell it legally.

I have literally never made and sold a SINGLE Street Fighter II related thing. Just like you, I don't actually print anything, difference is I don't make any money when someone else prints it. The art files you stole from me were released for public download after the fact, and the pin2dmd colorization files were released form the start just like the Terminator 2 files I just finished.

And defend stealing from me because I used a file from the internet as a base, cause that totaly justifies the theft

You sell that translite on Pinside through another member. You've got posts in the Street Fighter topic directing people who to message to get one.

I cannot "steal" artwork from you when it was already available from a DeviantArt user whom you gave no credit to. The full image is available to download!

And, after the fuss you made over it, it was me who gave the artwork away for free first, not you. Pointless telling lies to people here when they can go directly to the topic and check for themselves. Truth will always win.

Anyway, you will be happy: https://www.retrorefurbs.com

Time to take a break from pinball I think, I got plenty of other things going on.

To everyone else, all outstanding orders will be sent.

For anyone needing returns/refunds just email me direct to arrange those.

Peace.

Pete
Retro Refurbs

I only pointed them to the guy who printed the original for me. I made exactly zero dollars and zero cents on the sale of those translites. I never minded sharing the art, I've made and released tons of arcade art over the years, you just never asked.

My work was done with logo creation and placement, and that's what you ripped off of me. When I messaged you about it, you said you'd pull the translite from your website. I still have the private messages from you to prove it. Months later when you still hadn't pulled them I made a fuss. Truth will always win. You did a great job of giving the DevianArtist credit too.............

I never said I gave it away first (though if we're being honest, we gave them out at the same time you just posted a minute or two before my edit was done). I haven't lied about anything. Can you say the same?

I wont be happy, but I'm sure all of the legal license holders will be. You keep turning this into some kind of pissing match where you justify stealing art from big companies because you dont want to pay for licensing. I asked an innocent enough question of why you dont license anything, and you devolved it into this.

Have a good break from pinball, it sounds like you need it.

I have a NOS set of time machine plastics, want me to scan them for you?

Most people who are not artists do not give a shit if something has an official license or not...bottom line is can I get the decals I need or not...

Sadly, the answer now appears to be "no,
you cannot."

Would one of them be Jack Bot?

Or Firepower perhaps.......please!!!!

Yep, sad indeed. It appears a source of hard to or impossible to get decals may have went the way of the dodo.

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sadly the actions of the few (gready) people have ruined it for the many. haters gona hate!