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I think the word is "sterile". Newer games are geared towards learning the rules and mechanically working through them. I don't want this, this is the reason I prefer pinball over video games. You almost don't need a theme.
The golden age had heart and feeling. You get immersed in the game and feel what you are playing. The music, call outs, dots are tightly coupled to get your heart pumping and pull you into the game.
I'm sticking with B/W. If for no other reason I don't have an outside entrance to my main basement game room. I've just gotten too old to bring them up stairs through the kitchen again. They've been there for this many years its someone else problem when I die.
Quoted from Tigger64:The problem with this debate is that our memories tend to be selective.
Yes, B/W made some legendary games in the 1990s ... but while their batting average was probably better than most, they did also make Popeye, Radical!, Game Show, and other forgettable titles. Then you look at Congo and Cirqus Voltaire - they didn't get much love back then, but are more appreciated now.
While Stern has produced a few dogs, they also brought us TSPP, LOTR, SM, GB and a few others that have become all-time favs.
I'd say that all manufacturers have their share of hits and duds; the memory just gets a little hazy and it's hard to weigh it all fairly.
What's wrong with Popeye?
Let's see the love for this list 25 years from now -
Harley-Davidson, Striker Xtreme, Sharkey's Shootout, High Roller Casino, Austin Powers, Monopoly, NFL, Playboy, Roller Coaster Tycoon, Terminator 3, Elvis, Grand Prix, The Sopranos, NASCAR, World Poker Tour, Dale Jr. , Wheel Of Fortune, Shrek, Indiana Jones, CSI, NBA, 24, Big Buck Hunter Pro, Avatar, The Rolling Stones, Transformers, The Avengers, X-Men, Mustang, Wrestlemania, KISS
Dude, IJ4 !!!!
Quoted from rai:I have owned the following B/W pins
T2
STTNG
IJ
TZ
TotAN
CFTBL
I sold them all, had since re-acquired CFTBL but that didn't last long it's second go round. I have played the others quite a few times since and never thought I needed to re-buy one of them.
I currently have 8 Stern from the time of TSPP to current (ST is the newest) and I really love all of the Stern pins that I own, they don't feel cheap to me.
Don't get me wrong. I own some nice Stern games. LOTR, AC/DC, POTC. Heck, LOTR is my favorite (own 2). But the bulk? Well look at my collection list. TZ, SS, MM, TAF, CFTBL, AFM, WH2O, MB, ToM, TOTAN, FT, IJ, T2, WCS, BSD, (probably more). Sorry, but there is no comparison of those 8 years (T2 in 91 to MB in 98) to the twice that 16 years following so far (2001 to 2016).
Heck, my System-11 games like Diner, Taxi and Earthshaker are more fun and have more feeling then most of the DMD games I listed earlier. Just my opinion of course. But I have put enough time into the hobby to earn an opinion worth listening to. If you only play new games with a closed mind your missing out. The Stern game I have had the most fun on this month was Stars. There is a "Just one more game" pin.
Quoted from o-din:I will say this about all the newer pinball makers.
It is very rare that one of their original, unlicensed machines isn't well received by the public.
FT and WNBJM? Anything else? (technically MMr is a licensed game)
Quoted from Luppin:This is exactly what's happening to me. In this thread I mainly referred to '90 DMD B/Ws machines, but lately I am realizing machines from the second half of the '80 have even more of this magic touch. Basically Im talking about System 11: more simple rules, shorter ball times, but... just perfect! They have everything I like in a pinball machine, including great music - I own Swords of Fury and Space Station, just unbelievable Pinball Music. Also, at the moment I can still grab those '80 machines for low prices, so really.. Why spend 8k for a nib machine when with that money you can get around 5 of those jewels?
If you have the System-11 bug you need to try Diner, Taxi, Whirlwind, Earthshaker, EatPM to name a couple of biggies.
If you like background music my number one is always CFTBL.
Quoted from CaptainNeo:you throw out a list of system 11 and miss the best system 11 there is?
Swords of fury is the best system 11. Better than 97% of all the DMD's as well.
He already has one. LIONMAN!!!
Quoted from damadczar:OMG yes. Swords of Fury, Space Station, EATPM, Whirlwind, BOP, and Funhouse would round out my early B/W collection if I could. Possibly add Doctor Dude in there as well. Just great games, great fun! That sweet spot from mid-80's to mid-90's is the best.
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I see you already have an Earthshaker. But your list is missing Diner and Taxi.
Edit: Sorry to repeat myself. I see I already mentioned them 6 month ago 
Quoted from Hawkeyepin:Ok. I would add that the pins of the 80s and 90s were designed mainly to do one thing...Extract money from people on route quickly and efficiently. I would argue today's pins are much more geared to the home collector. The deeper rule set is a reflection of the designers belief in the customers overall increased complexity. To me that is more soulful and less commercial than days of yore.
Where now they want a lot more money but just in one shot 
People who don't get the feel of a machine having soul just don't get it. It is not just the mechanics of the game it is the emersion into the game. This is why Addams is so beloved. The way the machine ties the sights and sound with the game play. Like séance mode. You get the sounds effects, the call out "knock three times", the fight against the magnet [with sound effects] and when you make the ramp you get rewarded with a [physical] knocker jolting the cabinet. Everything about it feels good.
I'll put the feel of playing Diner or Taxi against the feel of newer games like TWD. I love the show and the whole zombie genre, but are telling me when you play that game you feel like you are fighting the walkers? Are you in the show? Is the game talking to you and pulling you in or are you just shooting mechanically to start the next mode.
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