Both are fun games. Hard to decide. I like them both.

The masses have spoken; both great games, but the people love speed and not slow

The machines purchased through Frontgate will not ship before 4/14/14.

That's not us. That may be a distrib but it's certainly not JJP or Pinball Sales. However that IS a good deal so someone should snag it

Also check the ship date on it

*EDIT* After checking into it, this isn't an authorized distrib selling the game. Don't purchase via this medium

I think it is what most new feature laden machines should be selling for.

An asking price of no more than $5,995 is appropriate for STLE.

How did you get free shipping on frontgate. I get the 25% off but not free ship.

You will need to sign up for a Frontgate email subscription.

Frontgate... I just put one in my cart - $ 1,020 shipping cost... Secondly, they are not an authorized distributor so you get NO WARRANTY. Just like if you buy from BenePinball, Great Neck Games, or any other of the places 're-selling' games and fronting themselves as distributors when they are not, here or online. BUYERS BEWARE.... Not just JJP games - probably goes for Stern too... Trust me you're not getting a WOZ for 6,300 - WAY below my cost - Keep dreamin'...if you can I'll take 10... LOL

Having now played both - ST prem (LE).
Woz is super cool to look at ST is a great game to play.

If you have a larger collection that already include fast great sounding game, then maybe a woz is in order for you.
If you want something fast - fun - great sounding right out of the box ST.

The Woz at the auction had been on route a while and needed a good -clean- wax and flipper rebuild or something.
The left side flipper rarely made the rt upper ramp shop. Ball very slow in the pops.

As Joe said, only buy from an AUTHORIZED distrib!

Anyone played 100+ games on both? Most of the answers here are from people who've played them both 10 times. Metallica was good the first 20 times; and got real old at 100. AC/DC, was no fun the first 20 times, and got amazing at 100 games.

Maybe it's the old code, but Star Trek is pretty similar to Metallica for me. I liked it for 20 games or so, and then it just got boring.

Keep thinking that! You sell Star Trek machines on here and bash / question everything on WOZ whenever you can.

I don't agree with the comments " you can't go wrong with either"

It's a nice sentiment, but these are very different games.

I know you said you don't have a WOZ or ST near you, but I think it'd be worth even a modest road trip before committing to a machine.

Most people that seem to LOVE WOZ have had their money tied up for years waiting for one to arrive.... Not super objective IMO. When I've talked to people that just walk up and play one (with no huge investment/ baggage involved), the attitude is way more muted....

I've played both and would but ST long b4 WOZ. I'd probably go ST Pro + a classic game and still come in under WOZ budget.... but who cares what I (or anyone here thinks)- it's YOUR purchase.

Find a way to play b4 you buy..... Especially if you start leaning WOZ.

P.S. Read this person's post history on the topic

Or play detective on everyones opinion OR...exclude the opinion of JJP employees..or or or...

OR- follow my primary advice:

Play before you buy.

I know thats unpopular for those pushing the agenda for a manufacturer who needs to stay alive with the cash flow by selling games before they are fully designed, much less built, but there it is.

No ones opinion really matters but the buyers.

He's reappeared.......

I have never player ST but 'seen pictures. 'Just curious what does the Enterprise model do?

Anybody have more detail on the Frontgate 25% OFF deal? I'll pick up a Standard at that price.

Don't buy. Not from an authorized distrib. No warranty and doesn't ship for 5 months at least.

I will probably end up with both as I like machines that are different. My moods change and so does what i like to shoot! To anyone that has played only a few dozen games on woz I really encourage you to wait till you start to play 1.23. If this keeps getting deeper and you are in for an amazing ride. If you just want fast and furious flow then STLE or pro out of the box is a great choice. Im no help!

sorry meant 1.24 code on woz

YIKES!!!

Who would EVER wait that long for a pinball machine to be delivered.....

Yea, what's the deal with 20% off and free shipping, only to add $1100 shipping when I try to check out?

Robert

From their site...

Free shipping valid on standard ground shipping charges within the contiguous U.S. on orders placed through midnight Eastern Time on 12/19/2013. Excludes truck, in-home, oversized, and expedited handling charges. This offer is not valid with other promotional offers,

Yea, but is a warranty worth $1.6k?

With any HUO game there is no warranty, damn, the thing is brand new what is going to go wrong?

Robert

Pumps !

Actually I was in the same position, played both and very glad I purchased the STLE.

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