You've got that right about Trent and Rob. Both have been to my home and both are absolute FIRST CLASS individuals!!! Don't know Taro . . .

I guess I've been lucky. Haven't been ripped off by anyone so far. However, I've only been a pin collector for about 5 years. Will just stay cautious!

I'm a little sketchy.

This line confused me. Who in the world is selling pins here with an NDA, aside from Jpop? And his NDA is null and void considering that's he broken his side of the contract. Repeatedly.

Pinsiders are a bunch of crooks
They would steal from their grandmothers
I would not trust any of them

I haven't had any problems with pinsiders so far. In fact, most folks I've bought/sold with have been quite generous.

Simply do your homework before spending any large amounts of money. Look at their member profile and skim some of their recent posts. Also do a forum search for their name to see if there are any threads singing praise or warnings to keep away.

If a user has around 100,000 karma, they're new, and the likelihood of a sale being questionable might be present with someone without a history in the community.

If you're talking about pre-orders, I think the big lesson everyone is finally learning is to not do them, especially for start-ups working on their first machine.

if you can't say who (specifically) can you provide a # of known (first hand) scammers you have had direct personal experience with?

Holy Hell! That dog has been here at my place 3 or 4 times! I was thinking of some pinhead . . . not an animal. Sorry Taro!

Are you saying that you have been involved with legal action against multiple people on here?

Wow, seriously? I hearby promise that if you ever buy a pin from me and you're not happy, I will never make you sign an NDA.

Refusing to tell other people who scammed you, continues to put others at risk.

Defeats the purpose of this post.

I don't understand why you would need a NDA for a pinball machine anyway.

You ever get paid back from ML?
He was/is a deadbeat

You are going to have to help some of us here and explain what Non disclosure agreement (NDA) has to do with a scammer? If someone has ripped you off, why are you worried about breaking and NDA? This makes no sense to me at all. The less you explain the more I am suspicious of your whole story. For all we know you might be a scammer too. If you are trying to help and protect the community, you need to be a lot less vague.

If someone ripped you off, out them and also let them give their side of the story. This reads like some kinda vague "Having A Bad Day" Facebook shit.

Nothing but good on my end. Have picked up 4-5 machines from Pinsiders with zero problems.

Can you change accounts and tell us what you are really thinking. This cryptic astrologist stuff is annoying.

Maybe it was a member of ISIS that scammed him....

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An NDA is usually the result of a legal settlement. Which would mean that someone was attempting to scam the OP...lawyers got involved and some/all of the money was repaid. The person attempting the scam would have requested the NDA so that the OP wouldn't be able to give details about the event in an attempt to spare his reputation.

And this just in.... Strangers often screw others. News at 11

This thread is garbage. Someone agreeing to a non-disclosure in a legal settlement over a sales_ transaction? You gotta be joking

Im not sure who the op is trying to save with that awesome experience. Maybe... Dont let the faulty party dictate terms in something you can resolve directly in small claims?

Maybe we need a new field added to the Market section:

[√] Will not make you sign an NDA

I will look into that

I'm calling bullshit on this thread. I have never considered purchasing a "gunnado" off the internet... much less, suing someone... and much, much less signing a NDA at the request of some deadbeat jackass. I guess some people are just careless with their money.

If you aren't taking about Kevin Kulek, Vonnie D or JPOP, which other non-performing scammers could you be talking about? It just doesn't make any sense.

But I am planning on building the greatest pinball ever made. It will be worth more than the $30k I'm charging and I'm just asking for a third down if you are still interested in foolish "investments".

Unfortunately all to true.Been collecting since 2003.Ive seen way worse than Ive seen good.

I ALWAYS wear my tin foil helmet when conducting business with pinsiders. It hasn't failed me yet.

I was going to buy something from a Pinsider once. He had no feedback, no posts and only a few karma points. I PM'd him and asked for a little detail about himself and he PM's back some really nasty stuff, calling me names and swearing at me saying he didn't want to sell to a "dick" like me for asking him questions. Havn't seen him since.

Yeah...but I'm much nicer now.

either spill the beans on who these scammers are or this thread is useless...

Are you serious?

I thought this was pretty clear, but obviously not. Someone screwed him over. He sued, they settled in one fashion or another, and an NDA was part of the final agreement for him to not talk about the issue in specific terms in public forums. Had nothing to do with the original transaction, dude.

So, use common sense when buying pinball machines.

Got it.

Thanks for the message. Without it, I'd continue to send money blindly to people in Nigeria.

Pete

so someone sells you a as is unshopped pin, there's a broken plastic and u say I want a full refund...u scammed me...

Not saying this is u as a buyer but, Having half the story doesn't always show what your saying is the truth..

But no one deserves being scammed... I've never met anyone on here like that personally other then Kevin

I didn't say anything about the original transaction... Let me repeat.. "Dont let the faulty party dictate terms in something you can resolve directly in small claims?"

A settlement is a TWO PARTY AGREEMENT and NDAs are not some mandatory part of a settlement. He let the scammer off so he could be whole himself.. and then wants to 'warn' us about how to avoid these people that he, himself, empowered to stay incognito. He accepted those terms... they weren't mandated.

I don't know the amount involved, but if under 5k, small claims is still in play, even in AR. It's a question of what makes the person willing to pay.

If you want to be the evangelist to let us all know the internet is full of bad guys... seems pretty contradictory to allow the problem to perpetuate by accepting some bad guy's desire to stay in hiding... if you want to let us all know they exist.

SMH...

Didn't know arbitration was a one way discussion, but okay. For all you know he was paid back all the money he lost plus other damages. The NDA is a balancing factor to limit the amount of compensation he can claim against the issue (in the form of damaging someone's potentially legitimate business), IMO.

Without knowing the specific arrangements of his settlement, you don't have any ground to stand on to judge his decision, as far as I care. If you want to scream at a brick wall until you're blue in the face, go ahead...I'm sure the vast majority of us would not choose that when the possibility of full compensation or more was an open choice...

A settlement is a two party agreement to avoid having the 3rd party.. the court.. decide for you. The NDA serves to limit the exposure for one party... the scammer. You'd accept it because you're likely to have less resistance collecting on your judgement from a settlement the other party was agreeable to.. vs a judgement the other party is against. Any 'nda' is simply because the scammer wanted it, and our OP here agreed to it.. in the interest of making himself whole.

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Nice touch up.

Wow. I feel bad for the moderators.... The new pinside has them working overtime policing anything that night not be family friendly. That pic was totally relevant and less vulgar than any classic bally.

Maybe it would be more productive to start a thread of people that are well known through out the industry that can be trusted.

Sketchy people...ON PINSIDE?!?!

Hey...I heard this Max Badazz guy from NH is great to deal with

i hear there's some of those... < looks around furtively > ... lawyer types here too...

pinside is a downright cesspool...

I don't drink Kool-Aid, especially the blue stuff. Can't say I'll ever start.

Just sent a lot of money for a pin. Until it's here, I'm always nervous, but I've never been burned yet.

No, that wasn't you was it?

That's just some Jersey sarcasm

...or is it???