Whats the difference in prices?

why are you double posting?

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Trip Poster!!!!! ........

that's a tough call here. Both are very uneventful. TOM does look better. It's a tie...they both are medium fun games. Maybe low medium. Both could have been so much better if they would have put a little more into the software of TOM, and more into the playfield design of IJ.

Make that four, quadrupler poster.

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That statement is crazy to me. Not saying for a second that you are wrong, simply that these two titles are among the higher priced titles out there. I have played TOM but not IJ, so my input is not going to help. Simply an observation on what could possibly be a true statement from CaptainNeo. Of course, there hasn't been much time for Neo to catch a lashing from the Pinside community on his opinion of the games...

Stack15, click on "edit" for the first entry of the other threads. From there you can change the title to delete me.

I reckon TOM is heaps of fun and looks awesome in a collection. Sadly it gets old very fast though. Not a game for a small line up.

Both are ok games. I think I'd go with TOM because I like the flow. IJ just doesn't do it for me, despite the great theme.

Are you into more technical games (sounds like you might be with TZ, NGG, TAF) or are you looking for something different?

The IJ looks decent but is going to need some work, are you willing to put $500 or so into it?

Chris

IJ

One of the greatest pins of all time. Right up there with ST:TNG, TZ and MM. (IMHO)

Price actually has no bearing on how fun a game is. The reality of it, it's all on hype. Many games are hyped up way beyond what they should be as far a fun factor goes. Pinball magic is far superior magic themed game to TOM. TOM is bland and uneventful, but beautiful looking. But there are many Bally Williams snobs out there, that don't give anything else a chance. So TOM is way over hyped. IJ has a great theme, and I wanted to like it so bad. I had a HUO here for about 2 months. Tried to force myself to like it. Wanted to, but couldn't. For the size of the game, there is such a small place to actually play. The POA is a piece of shit. The ball lock on the right, is cool, but takes up to much space. To many video modes. and you play on 25% of the table. B/W really dropped the ball on this game. Again, bally williams snobs keep the games price up there, and many buy it for the theme alone. Even shitty B/W titles get more of a fair chance because they say B/W on the backglass. It's the way it's always been. Sure they have some good games, but so does every manufacturer. Some are just scared to venture outside their box. Some will dip their toes into a newer sterns, but they are still b/w snobs.

I could care less who made the pin or how much it costs (as far rating it goes). "FUN" is numero uno and both TOM and IJ are fun I just happen to think that IJ is way more so. Theme does go a long way especially when it's properly implemented.

I put ST:TNG and IJ right at the top. Then maybe MM (I need to play it more to be sure) and TZ.

LOTR is a fantastic implementation of theme but the games lasted so long that it lost some the fun factor after a while......for me.

If those guys who made the Matrix Pin ever put that thing into production it would probably shoot to #1 for me on theme alone.....assuming a good implementation.

AC/DC and Tron might both be in the running but I have not played either yet.

Ij for me, I am a smoker. So I don't mind the smell. Plus I already own a Tom . I wanted Tom bad because I never had one in my collection. Too me, it is very boring. I love the way it looks and the fan appeal. Other than that , I like gnr way better

neo can say what he wants, everyone is entitled to their own opinon, his personal opinion means zero to me. i play my theatre more than i play my indy, if i had to get rid of one it would be indy. if you havent played tom or indy, go play them more so you know which one you like more. do you plan on keeping them for a while? if not, both are good titles and can be resold easily.

Both great machines.

I'd prefer playing the TOM. I always enjoy the Jpop games although the rulesets have steered me away from ownership. If I wanted to have a bunch of games (and it appears your collection is growing), I'd have a couple of the Jpop games.

I had an Indy and I didn't enjoy it that much. It looked and sounded great and I loved the theme, but the game and widebody feel weren't for me. The only widebody I like to play is STTNG tho, so that might just be me.

That's ok. I hate stern games. I am a Bally Williams nut hugger. Why try to re invent the wheel. I have a jp ( friend left here 5 yrs ago with a afm,Elvira,funhouse,and corvette) and the gnr. I love gnr with the speaker upgrade. Ohh I also have a Star Wars de too. But that one was free in a larger deal.

No love for DE? Your missing out. GNR, Tommy, JP, POTO, TM are all great titles. With the new roms SW might be awesome to. LAH isn't bad either. They play just like B/W, don't understand the hate. The pops sound and feel a little cheap because they are stand alone and come completely out with 3 screws. makes working on them super easy. b/w did it on some titles too.

I like both of these games a lot, but if I could only have one in my collection, it would be IJ. It's an awesome theme, and the music and callouts are great.

last action hero is a really nice pin. has a ton of stuff packed into it.

I have them both and they are Top 10 for a reason. They get played almost every night in a 10 pin collection. IJ is a quest with lots of modes and takes some time to complete, if you can make it that far. TOM is fast and flowing with great shots. They are 2 of the best themes of all time.

Both have great art.

Both have grea sound.

Both offer equal flow.

Both offer equal playfield innovations and "wow factor" shots..

To me it's a love for my childhood Heroes that wins out: IJ

...and hey it's a widebody. All that extra real eastate to enjoy.

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I love IJ, but looking at the play field and the amount of money you may have to put into it, I would take the TOM. If finances were in good terms, I would definitely pick up both though.

IJ. Also, don't dis DE SW - it is a fun pin. And now there is a new ROM for it that de-emphasizes the ramp shot.

I actually like playing sw. I wish I was keeping it. I would buy the update.

Only one has a dancing frog - enough said

I think IJ is more fun. Looks like you'll have to put some work in, if you are OK with that I'd go IJ all day.

I vote for ToM. We have both and ToM is slightly ahead of IJ for fun factor. When we guests over everyone tends to gravitate towards ToM. Really you can't go wrong with either pin.

TOM lasted 6 months for me IJ lasted 8 years. IJ is a great game and is challenging however it is not for a pinball neophyte as it can be very difficult to keep running. TOM like most Popadiuk games looks great but gets boring... I've owned WCS,TOM,CV and TOTAN... The only one I still have is TOTAN because my wife loves it plus it's the prettiest..... Either one isn't a bad choice as if you don't like it flipping it won't be difficult.

I would go for IJ. TOM is just too repetitive.

I miss mine. But traded it plus cash for a nice LOTR, so I'm happy.

IJ is a great game. I have had mine for 7 years and it's not going anywhere. Tom is a fun game, but shoot the trunk over and over again gets old after a while. Love the shot leading to the trap door though. Very cool.

TOM is very pretty but I found like others that whilst the flow is amazing, I slowly lost interest and unlike other pins that go, there is no regret.

IJ has tons to do and I am trying to decide whether to pick one up . So IJ.

That is funny. LAH is a 90s god, deepest machine of the 90s. Fugly as hell for an original translite, but I got my replacement translite last month, and looks completely different.

pics of replacement LAH translite?