Sad...

“Buster Corley had a stroke four months ago that caused severe damage to the communication and personality part of his brain”

Brain trauma is truly sad.

Damn that's horrible. RIP

Tragic. I really feel bad. Kinda like Robin Williams. Can’t imagine the horrors of being conscious of your brain and body failing you. I don’t blame them, really there is no fix, nor solution to improve quality of life when you can’t even communicate.

Note, the phrase "commit suicide" has fallen into disfavor, as it implies that ending one's own life is automatically a crime.

There are situations, such as this one, where it is perfectly understandable. And even when it happens as a result of mental illness that could have been treatable, the verb "commit" stigmatizes the victim as well as their survivors.

"Dies by suicide" is far preferable.

Thanks for all the fun times. I'm sorry things turned out this way, but I will always remember you for the games - I spent many enjoyable evenings playing Monster Bash and other pins at your Marietta, GA location.

I personally have a problem with that. I see no benefit on placing accountability on a third person "being" called suicide. Whatever you want to call it, it's tragic. But there was a choice which carried accountability and a result. This is not a random strike by lightning. It was His finger that pulled the trigger, or hand that put X into their mouth, or jumped off a bridge. Mental illness is real but making excuses just to make excuses does more harm for our society in the long run in my opinion. How about a more proactive focus on mental health which allows people to heal? Just my thoughts.

Ending your own life is a crime.

Lock their corpses away in jail and throw away the key!

Still shocked by Lyman's tragic decision. Crosses my mind from time to time (recently lost my wife), but you just have to keep on trucking, no matter what.

Yeah, I agree anyone that commits suicide should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law!

Not tasteful I know but how can you call it a crime, and how can they be punished for it?

I lost my wife 12 years ago and had many times where I thought about it but as you say, you just really do need to keep going and keep hoping it all makes sense some way or someday!

Give his health situation it shouldn't be called a suicide, it is more a voluntary end of life and I'm one of many who believes it is tragic but also a personal choice that should be left to each individual as we own our rights to our own lives.

Similar to apoptosis.

Like many things, not everywhere, it's not.

I'm all out of energy when it comes to learning all of the new phrases du jour. Can't keep them straight and tired of the attempts of a small minority of others to try to control the language. And I'm sympathetic to the concept of suicide as I lost my Dad to it 24 years ago.

... for to change would require an effort.

It's not a new phrase, we just ought to retire the old one, for reasons explained.

"I don’t like it" is not a valid counter-argument.

Agree 100%. If we don't criminalize it, then it will become commonplace and the rates of young people will escalate even higher as they see it as normal.

Does that mean I don't understand a chronic illness situation? No, of course not. But we have to stand firm.

Damn - the other one died at 63.

And 20 years from now someone will will decide to be offended on someone else's behalf by use of the old, thoughtless, and horribly derogatory phrase "Dies by suicide."

I’m sorry for your loss.

Spent a lot of time on their "Million Dollar Midways" at several dozen locations throughout North America...

Agreed.

They are currently building a D&B one a mile away from my home here in Queen Creek! Recently they opened a Fat Cats about three miles the other way which in my opinion is a knock-off of D&B but there is a Mandalorian pin there. I hope D& B invests more into Pinball. I would for certainly become a regular. There is a nice D&B in Scottsdale, but that is a bit of a drive at around 35 min.

So? Make sure you offend people now?

What nonsense. You're just being obdurate.

Not using the word "commit" is kinder than using it. If you have a problem with that, then guess where the problem lies?

Definition of Commit
1. carry out or perpetrate (a mistake, crime, or immoral act).

I’d say most people believe suicide falls in one of these three categories within the definition. So the word is correct, is the traditional use of the phrase, and isn’t pejorative.

You’re not going to change peoples’ minds by lecturing or calling them names. But you may get the opposite reaction as you have in this thread.

Say you do believe that... WGAF? It is kinder to not use the word. That's the long and short of it.

Some people have no empathy, I guess. Responding to poorly formed retorts is not lecturing, and where did I call anyone names?

"I don't wanna change, even when something has been explained" is not the argument winner you think it is.

Gee, my original comment has over 3x more upvotes than down ones... I didn't come up with the idea, google it and maybe someone in the mental health field can get through to you.

Something we can agree on - WGAF!

I heard what you said. I just don't agree with you. I suppose that makes me "one the wrong side of history", or a "boomer", or "obtuse", or any other names that people want to come up to describe those who don't buy into everything hook, line, and sinker that a few people have thought up as being the "right" way to say and do things.

I’d say they don’t. How do we determine what’s true?

My dad killed himself in 2020. I’m sorry for your loss. I’m not sure what the value is in trying to find a better way to characterize a horrible event. So I’m with you.

Because when a person is suffering from their physical health declining, there is very little that a mental health expert can offer
I know this when i became an amputee, i sought help from many outlets, nobody had anything usable to help me get through

Right back at you.

I've heard the phrase," completed suicide". Where does that fall in the scope of all this?

It sounds like the situation here was self-administered euthanasia.

So is that the new "woke" term for it? It's hard to keep up with the proper lingo changing from day to day.

Because people on Pinside argue about everything.

No we don't.

Guy spends his life building a legacy of cool game centers and people are arguing over how to phrase his last act.

And thus continues the ban of pinball at D&B.....

No, that is just a real term. Nothing woke about it.

I can't commit to this thread.

Sorry instead of argue I should have said discuss.

See here's what you don't understand.

The reason they can't stop saying the W word is because they are trying to impress other boomers. And it works! Just saying it here unleashes the endorphins of the boomer masses. It brings the boys to the yard.

So say Suicide gets criminalized, who do you send to court ? who do you send to jail ?

I'd guess, an attempted suicide would be criminalized, which definitely sounds like the best way to get the suicidal thoughts away from the victim.

Yupp, the attempted suicide and anyone that assisted.