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Bumper sells Jacks Prototype Game Not Owned By Them


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6 years ago



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#301 6 years ago

Thank you David for this letter. It is very sad to hear what effect this has had on you and your family. In the end, it's only money - and I can say that because it is some of mine as well. Never let external factors that you cannot can not control take over you life or that of your family. I am a father as well, and know what stress is like and what it can do to you - thank god we both have strong wives who can help us get through it all.

I have contributed to Oscar and the committee, and hope something is resolved. If we loose our dough, so be it - those who stole will never profit in life - money cannot make up for evil intent. I hope you are also getting some help - "Beyond Blue phone call is in order and I mean that as a VERY strong suggestion.

None of my, or I hope the groups, anger is directed towards you - especially after such a heart-felt letter as that posted above. Jack has always said you were honorable and counts you as a friend. That pinball is an enjoyable hobby (and nothing more that that you trolls out there!) and it is a shame that such venom and ill feeling has been spread by the circumstances that have unfolded. I would rather never see my money or a WOZ again if the outcome of all this mean a permanent effect on the lives you or your family.

I think it's time to reduce the posts, especially the personal ones, and let the lawyers deal with this as they are doing. No more advice to Jack, you or those of us involved, especially from those that do not have all the details.

Hug your family, and know that there are those of us that will support you if you need it, and life is bigger than this little shitty distraction.

#302 6 years ago

david, my prayers are with you and your family. it took courage to post this here. if I have said anything that offended you I am truly sorry for that. you seem to me to be one of us. with that said, im sure the truth will be revealed shortly. stay strong and know that the pinheads here in America have your back.

#303 6 years ago
Quoted from Pinchroma:

tldr;
David Stein says he's not a crook but a victim of the scam as well by bumper owners #2 (from what I can comprehend from this days of our lives stuff).

It seems very plausible after reading his post.

#304 6 years ago

David..Nothing has ever been directed to you..You have always been an energetic and honest person to deal with. NEVER let business and money affect you personal life, and more importantly, you as a person.
Its people like you that try and balance out the corrupt industry in Oz.
Forget about the money and the burden of responsibility...no one holds you responsible, or even involved..
Spend time with your family and kids and wipe it from your memory..and at these times, your find out who the people are that you really call friends.

#305 6 years ago

show me the money has some explaining to do.

#306 6 years ago

David thanks for your input Hope you feel better and this gets sorted out for you mate.

#307 6 years ago
Quoted from Pinchroma:

tldr;
David Stein says he's not a crook but a victim of the scam as well by bumper owners #2 (from what I can comprehend from this days of our lives stuff).

Maybe he was duped or perhaps a willing participant....
I would rather wait and see how it all comes down legally or if proof emerges one way or the other.

#308 6 years ago

David, well done on publishing your position on this. I wish you and your family all the best, and hope that the burden of this lifts for you and your health improves.

#309 6 years ago

#310 6 years ago

Who cares to most of your questions, this is not million Dollar Minute or who wants to be a millionaire.

This is all about YOU, Why are you not paid, why were you sacked, why did he get this and that but not Me?

This thread is about a Proto WOZ being sold, Not You not Me or anything else.

All the rest is trolling and Spam

#311 6 years ago

This thread is all about you Wayne just like every other one you start.

You need to be the centre of attention always.

If you stopped talking so much bullshit your business would have been a success but instead you spend your life talking shit and having a go at every one elses business.

Have you thought about going back to driving buses ?

Every time I state facts and ask the difficult questions there are always people dodging the serious questions as you are now.

What you are trying to do is create a diversion away from the information that tells the story of what really went on at Bumper Action.

Every single person who purchased a Wizard of Oz pinball machine in Australia deserves to know the truth.

What are you hiding Wayne and what is in it for you ???

Post edited by absocountry2 : Attacking another Pinsider - ban vote sent

#312 6 years ago

Really you want to come after me now!

The only thing people care about is the WOZ customers and them getting justice.

I unlike you are not going to lower myself to a pissing match with you.

#313 6 years ago

Did you go to ' NOODLE BOX ' for lunch today ?

#314 6 years ago

To David Stein ,

I am sorry to hear of your situation, your health and family must come first , you yourself must be strong for them , I know of the pain things can cause with my wife and her cancer battle , you have to put yourself first , as a competitor of yours and seller of both parts and machines , my heart and friendship goes out to you and your family, you yourself have always treated me with respect and dignity, David you know my number and if and when you need to talk , my phone is always on, day or night , even at 3 am playing nintendo I will answer
take care my friend and my thoughts are with you and family

markc

#315 6 years ago

Thank you showmethemoney your last several post just help me prove my point
Its obvious even the scammed people feel for and trust david but no matter what you just want to bash and lash out at anyone bumper as i pointed out i thought you were doing
Now turning on other people whom were defending you before ???? or had the same concerns about the bumpers fiasco?
Pretty poor show if you ask me.
It would appear if bumper 1 got screwed by bumper 2, then bumper2 screwed 79 people with WOZ orders they prolly had no reservations about selling a proto machine that belonged to them or not as well. Seems like the most sensible conclusion at this time.

#316 6 years ago

Thank you all for your kind thoughts, they mean a lot to me.

David Maxton "show me the money", you know all the answers to your questions because you have phoned me many times as a freind and we have chatted for a couple of hours each time as what I thought was friendship only to read these horrible posts.

I have appologised to you about anything I thought may have hurt you, I have offered my support to you and to have you chat to me and my wife for long periods as a friend and then have you turn like this, I will never understand. On page five of this thread you will see a blank from show me the money where he wrote about what a great friend I have been to him, how we travelled the world together and how I would never be a part of what has happened at Bumper. Many of my friends rang me to tell me what a great post show me the money had written about me. I emailed him to thank him sincerely for his post and asked why it had been removed. He stated he had been advised to remove it and then did a 180 degree turn and bashed the hell out of me. I dont understand what I can do Dave, why if you feel like this have you rung and chatted about getting together with our kids etc, only to turn into a different personality?

To Marc C, your post means a hell of a lot to me, I was in tears when I read show me the money and your follow up in your own time of need says much to me and my family, thank you.
David Stein.

#317 6 years ago

Post edited by Ballypinball : No Point

#318 6 years ago

This thread is all about you Wayne just like every other one you start.
You need to be the centre of attention always.
If you stopped talking so much bullshit your business would have been a success but instead you spend your life talking shit and having a go at every one elses business.
Have you thought about going back to driving buses ?
Every time I state facts and ask the difficult questions there are always people dodging the serious questions as you are now.
What you are trying to do is create a diversion away from the information that tells the story of what really went on at Bumper Action.
Every single person who purchased a Wizard of Oz pinball machine in Australia deserves to know the truth.
What are you hiding Wayne and what is in it for you ???

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#319 6 years ago

Life at BUMPER ACTION AMUSEMENTS ........

I worked at Bumper Action Amusements for a little over 10 years with David Stein and for the most part we had a great time and we both enjoyed our jobs. Every day there was always something crazy happening and we used to turn over staff almost as fast as Wayne shoots his mouth off.

It was some time ago that we discussed the fact that we should have a reunion of all past and present Bumper Action employees and as Mr Stein knows we have had some beauties !!
That would be one crazy party...

David and I both enjoyed our job as we both loved the Amusement Industry and we were both Collectors of Pinball Machines although I also collected Arcade Games and have a collection of some rare pieces. The pinball machines that we both liked were different from each other so if ever we spotted a good machine worth buying we generally never fought over it.

Del was an interesting character and I think we would both agree he is one of a kind !! Del was happy making plenty of money although he would always say to us we are not making enough money ' ShowMeTheMoney ' he would say. You would'nt even get a smile out of him after he just pulled $150,000 after an auction.

He was always arguing with someone being one of the employees as this would make him happy in between receiving money during the day. Del would put a lot of pressure on us as employees and over time he created a great deal of stress for David Stein who was required to sell enough machines for the week to pay the wages. Even when he did it still was'nt enough as Del always had an auction to go to or another house to buy so we could'nt win either way.

David Stein was the main salesman for Bumper as Del had lost his touch and even admitted that he did'nt want to deal with customers as a salesman. I would listen to David Stein selling a machine on the showroom floor and I have said this many a time to people that he is the best salesman there is because he has the passion for the pinball machines and this would show by the way he spoke about the machine to the customer. He was selling an item that he loved himself therefore he just spoke about it in detail as if he was playing it and customers who were thinking that they would get a sleazy salesman were confronted by a guy who made them feel comfortable and instead of pressuring the person to buy the machine he would tell the machine like a story or a magical experience and the customer would feel no pressure to purchase but would be overwhelmed by what they saw. This is how David Stein was able to keep his customers coming back or having them recommend Bumper to their friends. He gained their trust and explained why he and myself both have our own private collections of Pinball Machines in our homes and what fun you can have with them.

The news of a brand new Pinball Manufacturing company being set up was huge news for us, and we said that this is just what the pinball industry needs, someone to produce a new style of pinball to take that step forward in bringing Pinball well into the 21st Century as we were getting bored with the same style of pinballs coming out of Stern with little creativity but plenty of cost cutting.

Jersey Jack Pinball announced that the ' Wizard of Oz ' was to be their first title and David Stein and myself were extremely excited at the news. We would frequently talk with Jack on skype trying to find out anything new that was to be included on the machine as to toys or artwork, and we kept in close contact as the machine progressed.

David Stein's excitement grew and even before the machine resembled anything really he started to ring customers or collectors who he thought may want to buy an amazing new concept in pinball. David was suprised with the response and the interest was growing and customers were starting to pay their deposits on the Wizard of Oz pinballs. Customers became excited too and would constantly call up asking for any updates or pictures of the machine.

Jack initially gave us an estimated production date but this date kept stretching further and further as Jack encountered delays for various reasons. He was putting an exceptional amount of detail into the machine and we could see the huge amount of work involved and that Jack also wanted to produce a machine to make a statement within the Pinball Industry.

David Stein and myself have travelled to Pinball Expo in Chicago and met some of the greatest people that are associated with the pinball industry. I won't mention names but you know who you are. These are some of the nicest people who all have one thing in common which is the love of pinball. One of the most memorable times for us is when we were invited to spend Halloween with a popular pinball identity and his lovely wife and children. We had dinner with them and then we all cut the pumpkins and shared the traditional american halloween experience which was a truly memorable occasion. We were also priviliged enough to be shown their amazing pinball and arcade collection in their basement.

David Stein and I both travelled together to Morocco, Canada, United States, Italy, France, Monaco, Portugal and other parts in search of Pinball Machines so that we could bring them back to Australia in containers because of the growing demand for pinballs here. We met up with many amazing people along the way who took their time to show us around and take us to various places that we would have never seen on our own.

There are a lot of circumstances at Bumper Action that have created various issues and as David and myself have been friends for many years we have shared the journey of the Amusement Industry and seen plenty of ups and downs and changes along the way. Because David and myself were the only two who cared about the industry we would constantly rely on each other for support in making decisions.

As time went on and Del had lost interest in the business, he started to become grumpy and we kept telling him that if he is going to come to work like that you are better staying home. When he stayed home we made more money and moral was up but when he came to work he was grumpy and would yell at everyone which just slowed down production, but according to him if he was'nt their we were'nt making money which was'nt the case at all.

David Stein is a decent honest individual who wants nothing more than for every single one of you to receive your Wizard of Oz pinball machines and I know that for a fact, and I believe if you keep fighting you will get your machines, so between you and me keep positive on that note. My own personal issues with Bumper have been caused by lies between the old owner Del and his relationship with Rob who was the GM for the last owners Paul and Howard, and now Rob is the current director of of Bumper.

These individuals created problems which they initiated on purpose and I will deal with them seperately and make them accountable for their actions. The individuals I am referring to are Del, Rob, Paul and Howard whom I have been lied to by as have the WOZ purchasers.

However the likes of the pinball community who are fascinated by the silver ball and have the passion for pinball and just want to play pinball and enjoy or grow their collections further, I must apologise for some of the things you have had to sift through during the Bumper unrest.

Various employees had their employment terminated as Bumper could no longer sustain paying the wages and they started to get into financial trouble. David Stein assumed the WOZ money was safe but as his access to the account was taken off him he obviously was'nt to know.
David Stein has been unsettled by the way in which Bumper was operating as was I and this has not helped his health any. Who would have thought that Bumper would get to that position after operating for over 40 years as a very profitable business.

David Stein and I will sort out our issues but I do want you to know that he is a mild mannered family man who shares the same interests in the pinball hobby as we all do, and he is in no way responsible for what has happened in relation to your Wizard of Oz pinballs. I know David and he would in no way have anything to do with any such behaviour that would result in any person or persons knowingly not receiving a Pinball Machine that has been paid for.

I believe Jersey Jack is doing everything he can to work out the best solution for everyone and having spoken to him myself and seen the money that he has invested into his new Pinball Company I believe he has created a concept that is something very special and he will continue to produce amazing prized Pinball Machines for many years to come.

No one is knocking Gary Stern either who has suffered and endured through tough times to remain as another fantastic Pinball Company still producing great titles.

#320 6 years ago

Well said.

#321 6 years ago
Quoted from ShowMeTheMoney:

Life at BUMPER ACTION AMUSEMENTS ........
I worked at Bumper Action Amusements for a little over 10 years with David Stein and for the most part we had a great time and we both enjoyed our jobs. Every day there was always something crazy happening and we used to turn over staff almost as fast as Wayne shoots his mouth off.
It was some time ago that we discussed the fact that we should have a reunion of all past and present Bumper Action employees and as Mr Stein knows we have had some beauties !!
That would be one crazy party...
David and I both enjoyed our job as we both loved the Amusement Industry and we were both Collectors of Pinball Machines although I also collected Arcade Games and have a collection of some rare pieces. The pinball machines that we both liked were different from each other so if ever we spotted a good machine worth buying we generally never fought over it.
Del was an interesting character and I think we would both agree he is one of a kind !! Del was happy making plenty of money although he would always say to us we are not making enough money ' ShowMeTheMoney ' he would say. You would'nt even get a smile out of him after he just pulled $150,000 after an auction.
He was always arguing with someone being one of the employees as this would make him happy in between receiving money during the day. Del would put a lot of pressure on us as employees and over time he created a great deal of stress for David Stein who was required to sell enough machines for the week to pay the wages. Even when he did it still was'nt enough as Del always had an auction to go to or another house to buy so we could'nt win either way.
David Stein was the main salesman for Bumper as Del had lost his touch and even admitted that he did'nt want to deal with customers as a salesman. I would listen to David Stein selling a machine on the showroom floor and I have said this many a time to people that he is the best salesman there is because he has the passion for the pinball machines and this would show by the way he spoke about the machine to the customer. He was selling an item that he loved himself therefore he just spoke about it in detail as if he was playing it and customers who were thinking that they would get a sleazy salesman were confronted by a guy who made them feel comfortable and instead of pressuring the person to buy the machine he would tell the machine like a story or a magical experience and the customer would feel no pressure to purchase but would be overwhelmed by what they saw. This is how David Stein was able to keep his customers coming back or having them recommend Bumper to their friends. He gained their trust and explained why he and myself both have our own private collections of Pinball Machines in our homes and what fun you can have with them.
The news of a brand new Pinball Manufacturing company being set up was huge news for us, and we said that this is just what the pinball industry needs, someone to produce a new style of pinball to take that step forward in bringing Pinball well into the 21st Century as we were getting bored with the same style of pinballs coming out of Stern with little creativity but plenty of cost cutting.
Jersey Jack Pinball announced that the ' Wizard of Oz ' was to be their first title and David Stein and myself were extremely excited at the news. We would frequently talk with Jack on skype trying to find out anything new that was to be included on the machine as to toys or artwork, and we kept in close contact as the machine progressed.
David Stein's excitement grew and even before the machine resembled anything really he started to ring customers or collectors who he thought may want to buy an amazing new concept in pinball. David was suprised with the response and the interest was growing and customers were starting to pay their deposits on the Wizard of Oz pinballs. Customers became excited too and would constantly call up asking for any updates or pictures of the machine.
Jack initially gave us an estimated production date but this date kept stretching further and further as Jack encountered delays for various reasons. He was putting an exceptional amount of detail into the machine and we could see the huge amount of work involved and that Jack also wanted to produce a machine to make a statement within the Pinball Industry.
David Stein and myself have travelled to Pinball Expo in Chicago and met some of the greatest people that are associated with the pinball industry. I won't mention names but you know who you are. These are some of the nicest people who all have one thing in common which is the love of pinball. One of the most memorable times for us is when we were invited to spend Halloween with a popular pinball identity and his lovely wife and children. We had dinner with them and then we all cut the pumpkins and shared the traditional american halloween experience which was a truly memorable occasion. We were also priviliged enough to be shown their amazing pinball and arcade collection in their basement.
David Stein and I both travelled together to Morocco, Canada, United States, Italy, France, Monaco, Portugal and other parts in search of Pinball Machines so that we could bring them back to Australia in containers because of the growing demand for pinballs here. We met up with many amazing people along the way who took their time to show us around and take us to various places that we would have never seen on our own.
There are a lot of circumstances at Bumper Action that have created various issues and as David and myself have been friends for many years we have shared the journey of the Amusement Industry and seen plenty of ups and downs and changes along the way. Because David and myself were the only two who cared about the industry we would constantly rely on each other for support in making decisions.
As time went on and Del had lost interest in the business, he started to become grumpy and we kept telling him that if he is going to come to work like that you are better staying home. When he stayed home we made more money and moral was up but when he came to work he was grumpy and would yell at everyone which just slowed down production, but according to him if he was'nt their we were'nt making money which was'nt the case at all.
David Stein is a decent honest individual who wants nothing more than for every single one of you to receive your Wizard of Oz pinball machines and I know that for a fact, and I believe if you keep fighting you will get your machines, so between you and me keep positive on that note. My own personal issues with Bumper have been caused by lies between the old owner Del and his relationship with Rob who was the GM for the last owners Paul and Howard, and now Rob is the current director of of Bumper.
These individuals created problems which they initiated on purpose and I will deal with them seperately and make them accountable for their actions. The individuals I am referring to are Del, Rob, Paul and Howard whom I have been lied to by as have the WOZ purchasers.
However the likes of the pinball community who are fascinated by the silver ball and have the passion for pinball and just want to play pinball and enjoy or grow their collections further, I must apologise for some of the things you have had to sift through during the Bumper unrest.
Various employees had their employment terminated as Bumper could no longer sustain paying the wages and they started to get into financial trouble. David Stein assumed the WOZ money was safe but as his access to the account was taken off him he obviously was'nt to know.
David Stein has been unsettled by the way in which Bumper was operating as was I and this has not helped his health any. Who would have thought that Bumper would get to that position after operating for over 40 years as a very profitable business.
David Stein and I will sort out our issues but I do want you to know that he is a mild mannered family man who shares the same interests in the pinball hobby as we all do, and he is in no way responsible for what has happened in relation to your Wizard of Oz pinballs. I know David and he would in no way have anything to do with any such behaviour that would result in any person or persons knowingly not receiving a Pinball Machine that has been paid for.
I believe Jersey Jack is doing everything he can to work out the best solution for everyone and having spoken to him myself and seen the money that he has invested into his new Pinball Company I believe he has created a concept that is something very special and he will continue to produce amazing prized Pinball Machines for many years to come.
No one is knocking Gary Stern either who has suffered and endured through tough times to remain as another fantastic Pinball Company still producing great titles.

Quoted for the record.

#322 6 years ago

All, discussing the issues are fine but when you start attacking others in it wrong. We can still express our views without telling calling others names. It only takes away from your point in the end anyhow.

#323 6 years ago

I am waiting for showmethemoney to delete his above post and turn on everyone again.
Think what you are saying before you type and keep the thread on track.79 people plus numerous others have been burnt,not just you.

#324 6 years ago
Quoted from phantomflip:

I am waiting for showmethemoney to delete his above post

I quoted his post so only the mods or me can delete that content.
When something possibly important is written it should be made a part of the permanent record in all legal matters.

#325 6 years ago

Have i missed something?

It feels like Groundhog Day

#326 6 years ago
Quoted from Ballypinball:

Have i missed something?
It feels like Groundhog Day

No, just the same old bull crap with a sprinkling of honey.

2 months later
#327 6 years ago

David Stein, I hope you read this letter adressed to you.
I'm sorry to see Del's business end up like this! You worked for Del for years since you were a kid. I remember you at his St Kilda Arcade as a handsome young guy, when I was a kid! You were Del's back-bone. Even after you became his manager in the 90's, after the likes of Playstations & Timezone monopoly arcades killed off the pinball/video arcades, you still were Del's back-bone, you helped re-born the pinball/arcade machines to the home markets & country pubs etc.
Did you ever watch the TV show Mad Men 3 & 4?
I think you should David! These episodes will inspire you (& I hope David Maxton), to bury your differences
and start up your own Amusement company. Stuff Bob Farrell! Be your own bosses again!
The characters in Mad Men, were also victims of a vicious takeover by a British Firm(funny how Del Reiss is British & Bob Farrell is American like the Mad Man characters?), but they (end of season 3, 1963), just started their own partnership up & 1964 was tough , but by season 5(1966), they were flying! Watch these TV episodes on DVD, while
you are recovering from your Illness David, the DVDs will inspire you!
David Maxton has not given up, you & him must become friends again! Forget about Robert Farrell & old Del, one chapter closes & another one begins. Do this for your family David! You were always a go-getter!
Robert Farrell & Jamie Smith have done satires of both you & David Maxton. You(Stein) as the "Fed Ex Guy" & Maxton as the "Muppets-Statler", what mean A**holes!
Another guy has started up making his own arcade machines in Bell Street Coburg(your old stomping ground David), and I spoke to him and he spoke highly of you & David Maxton and was disappointed in Dell & RF.
Dell Reiss, I'm afraid is getiing sick as well! He has the first stages of Alzeimer's disease, which recently claimed our old First Lady, Hazel Hawke. Del had to get out! He was already finished!

#328 6 years ago
Quoted from Ginger:

David Stein, I hope you read this letter adressed to you.
I'm sorry to see Del's business end up like this! You worked for Del for years since you were a kid. I remember you at his St Kilda Arcade as a handsome young guy, when I was a kid! You were Del's back-bone. Even after you became his manager in the 90's, after the likes of Playstations & Timezone monopoly arcades killed off the pinball/video arcades, you still were Del's back-bone, you helped re-born the pinball/arcade machines to the home markets & country pubs etc.
Did you ever watch the TV show Mad Men 3 & 4?
I think you should David! These episodes will inspire you (& I hope David Maxton), to bury your differences
and start up your own Amusement company. Stuff Bob Farrell! Be your own bosses again!
The characters in Mad Men, were also victims of a vicious takeover by a British Firm(funny how Del Reiss is British & Bob Farrell is American like the Mad Man characters?), but they (end of season 3, 1963), just started their own partnership up & 1964 was tough , but by season 5(1966), they were flying! Watch these TV episodes on DVD, while
you are recovering from your Illness David, the DVDs will inspire you!
David Maxton has not given up, you & him must become friends again! Forget about Robert Farrell & old Del, one chapter closes & another one begins. Do this for your family David! You were always a go-getter!
Robert Farrell & Jamie Smith have done satires of both you & David Maxton. You(Stein) as the "Fed Ex Guy" & Maxton as the "Muppets-Statler", what mean A**holes!
Another guy has started up making his own arcade machines in Bell Street Coburg(your old stomping ground David), and I spoke to him and he spoke highly of you & David Maxton and was disappointed in Dell & RF.
Dell Reiss, I'm afraid is getiing sick as well! He has the first stages of Alzeimer's disease, which recently claimed our old First Lady, Hazel Hawke. Del had to get out! He was already finished!

Quoted for showmethemoney2.0

#329 6 years ago

Ginger I am not sure who you are?

David was a faint shadow of himself, depression etc all caused by this state of affairs, some people don't care about others, Davids health has improved over the past few weeks and is with his family on a cruise at present, relaxing.

He helps me a couple of days a week to keep his mind off things, I am sure in the new year he will be able to work more hours as his health improves.

We all know David and the others who worked with him made that Company, to be honest I miss the Competition.

1 week later
#330 6 years ago
Quoted from ShowMeTheMoney:

This thread is all about you Wayne just like every other one you start.
You need to be the centre of attention always.
If you stopped talking so much bullshit your business would have been a success but instead you spend your life talking shit and having a go at every one elses business.
Have you thought about going back to driving buses ?

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