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Bumper Action Amusements Australia owes 79 WOZ Games or refund!

By Ballypinball

10 years ago


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#754 9 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Doesn't seem that simple to me. Why would JJP's "liability" be any different if an exclusive distributor folds than if it had allowed five distributors in Australia and one of them folded?

There could be something to the fact that JJP put consumers in harms way, by picking a single distributor and one that we now know was untrustworthy. What requirements did JJP have for someone to become a distributor?

Quoted from fosaisu:

One solution, if you're going to do preorders at all, is to structure things the way PPS has, where distributors collect the payments but must send them immediately to PPS. That way if a distributor folds, PPS is holding the customer's money and can either make the machine or refund as appropriate (I would guess PPS considered this particular situation in creating that policy). Of course manufacturers can also go bankrupt, so it will always be a gamble to pre-order big expensive toys like these.

I am pretty sure any refund and/or product created would have to go back to the courts that are handling the bankruptcy in order to pay off the creditors. I think all payments would have to be direct to the manufacture, completely bypassing the distributor, to avoid this issue.

#758 9 years ago
Quoted from dendoc:

Jack warned me Bumper wasn't passing on our money to him months before Bumper went broke, I warned people, and fronted Bumper about it. They gave me a written guarantee the money was completely safe - now worthless because they declared bankruptcy, so money gone

Just curious, was Bumpers still a JJPs distributor after this was said?

Sorry that all of you are going through this mess

#773 9 years ago
Quoted from fosaisu:

Yes but that same argument applies if he picked five distributors and one of them went bust -- ultimately, you'll be judged by the company you keep which is why I said JJP takes a reputation hit (fairly or unfairly) as a result of this whole mess.

Oh I absolutely agree. The difference is with five distributors you are creating competition and thus hopefully a more honest marketplace. Here in the states, if I don't like a distributor I can go else where. By picking a single distributor, one could possibly argue that JJP didn't do enough due due diligence in setting up his network.

#774 9 years ago
Quoted from Andyj965:

He got some of the money (130k) as partial payment for 79 games but Bumper didn't pass on the rest.

I forget the exact timeline, but why was this the case? Since this was for pre-order money, JJP should be requiring next day (or near) deposits for games. No reason for a distributor to hold onto anything except their cut.

#794 9 years ago
Quoted from Ballypinball:

Sorry for all the above it probably doesn't make sense but that's how it worked out

Unbelievable. Thanks for the explanation. I need to pick my jaw off the floor. Just wow.

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