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Building out a Game Room

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    #501 71 days ago
    Quoted from yaksplat:

    They're still chugging along with the insulation, so i though I'd take the thermal camera up into the attic and see how things look.
    All of the colors are relative temperature. So if you get an extreme temperature in view, it skews the whole spectrum.
    All looks good here. No heat coming through the blanket.
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    Here's an area where the blanket is over the top, but not yet insulated between the ceiling joists. You can see the expected leakage.
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    And here's a view of the side of the existing house from in the attic. It appears that I have an area where there was either no insulation, or it just sagged really bad. Seeing that it's a perfect rectangle, someone didn't do their job back in '93.
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    Not bad! This is a reminder for me I need to go do this in my basement; we have some really drafty areas I’m finding.

    #502 71 days ago

    The wife's den was always a bit chilly so I bought a FLIR years ago, spotted the issue right away. Dug thru what seems like a thousand of pics I took when they were building - noticed no insulation in a couple of small areas which the insulations guys resolved. Surprised it didn't take much to lower the temp a few degrees. The room has a cathedral ceiling, so maybe it's a bit more susceptible to feeling cooler w/the heat rising, plus it's at the end of the house.

    FLIRs...pretty cool stuff.

    #503 70 days ago

    Any FLIR that is preferred for once in a while usage? I see they range in price from 200 - 1000 bucks.

    I'm sure you get what you pay for, but for occasional use like we see here will cheaper ones work?

    Thanks

    #504 70 days ago

    Mine is a Seek Thermal camera for Android. They're relatively cheap in comparison.

    https://www.thermal.com/compact-series.html

    #505 70 days ago
    Quoted from GoodManners:

    Any FLIR that is preferred for once in a while usage? I see they range in price from 200 - 1000 bucks.
    I'm sure you get what you pay for, but for occasional use like we see here will cheaper ones work?
    Thanks

    Like Yak, mine is also a Seek (android). Maybe 8 years old, low resolution, I think it was around $200. Been awhile since I've looked at the FLIR market, but resolution (pixels) is probably a big driving factor w/respect to cost. But for looking at insulation (or lack of), you don't need a ton.

    Here's a SnipIt of a Spike 2 CPU using my seek, pretty easy to pick out individual components.
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    #506 69 days ago

    Cool - thanks gang!

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    #507 68 days ago

    Well, today got really interesting. Going on day 6 of a "2 day" insulation job... I'm talking to my wife and look out the window and there's a drywall truck at the curb. Holy crap, the drywall is here. The insulation isn't done. The insulation inspection isn't done.

    I had delayed the drywall a few days, but then became now.
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    I call the town to get the inspector out here, to get the inspection done, so drywall can go up. All he really checks is that the insulation on the drawings matches what's in the walls. It's more to protect homeowners from getting screwed over by contractors that may skimp on insulation. He shows up at 10, takes a gander around and all is well. The garage still isn't finished, but I just need to send him some pictures when it's done and he's fine with it.

    I call the insulation company, "where's my crew? They need to be done, as we're on day number 6 of 2!" "Oh, we had to send them into a job in Buffalo today."
    So, I ream the guy out. I get two guys at 11 to finish the garage and some soundproofing around the master suite.

    Now, by 9:30 the entire truck was unloaded and there's about 9300 sqft of drywall in my house. My shoulders, elbows, wrists and basically everything above the belt is officially shot from the last 8 months. So i'm glad I hired this out.
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    There's no way in hell I could have handled even hauling this into the house.

    The guy doing it is the brother of a close friend, so we're in good hands. He's a perfectionist and I'm already thrilled with his work. I've learned more watching him for a day than I thought was possible.
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    While all of this was going on, I got to have fun interviewing for a couple different jobs today. The company I was working for decided to lay off 10% of their workforce back in November, including me. Positive spin: I've had a ton of time to work on this project.

    #508 68 days ago
    Quoted from yaksplat:

    ...My shoulders, elbows, wrists and basically everything above the belt is officially shot from the last 8 months. So i'm glad I hired this out.
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    There's no way in hell I could have handled even hauling this into the house.
    The guy doing it is the brother of a close friend, so we're in good hands. He's a perfectionist and I'm already thrilled with his work. I've learned more watching him for a day than I thought was possible.
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    While all of this was going on, I got to have fun interviewing for a couple different jobs today. The company I was working for decided to lay off 10% of their workforce back in November, including me. Positive spin: I've had a ton of time to work on this project.

    When we finished the basement shortly after building, I thought about doing the drywall myself, somewhere less than 1500 sq. ft of floor space. Wife said "Just get a quote." I did, price was reasonable. Wife calls on the day the guys show up...just two guys. I ask her "Two guys per room?", nope two guys...period. Well, this will take days to finish. LOL, they were done by 3:30 that day. Excellent job too, just amazing attention to detail. They did have to spray the ceiling later and do some final prep prior to us painting tho. Still hard to believe how efficient those guys were, would have taken me a month or two of putzing around to hang it myself.

    #509 68 days ago

    Rule of thumb - hire out any drywall job with more than 10 4X8 sheets. In my area I have a hard time getting anyone interested for less than that (or I would hire that out too).

    Good luck on the job interviews yaksplat!

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    #510 58 days ago

    Update today? Drywall up, new job, etc...

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    #511 48 days ago

    I hope this means a big update is coming soon

    #512 43 days ago

    Hey, we just had an earthquake this morning. Just about 6:15am. I was already awake then there was a huge boom and everything shook. I thought there was some major settling that just occurred with all of the extra weight from the drywall. But then I started getting texts and found out that there was just an earthquake a couple miles from here.

    Not that it's super obvious, but you can see a judder in this video and hear a boom

    I need to take some more pictures for an update on the project. Hopefully later today.

    #513 43 days ago

    This thread is awesome. Nothing better then a DIY’er doing a better job then most contractors could do. Love the attention to detail.

    I built my own home and finished right before C-19. For reference my last lumber purchased was 22 bucks for 3/4” CDX plywood yes 4’x8’.

    I only have one question and it is for my learning from you, not saying it’s wrong. I saw the unveiling of the Huber Zip System at a national convention. They gave one roll of their stretch tape, man it useful in waterproofing. I noticed you used it as roof sheathing. Was it used because it was extra or do they have spec and system for roof sheathing? I just can’t grasp it.

    I do have some advice as well. My wife was awesome during our build and huge help. She put tons of time in but every time there was a delay or time crunch she would calmly tell me “keep it fun” “time doesn’t matter it’s our schedule “ “just push back our move in date” those words were life savers for me since I put all the pressure on myself. You seem like you maybe like minded as a doer!

    Keep it fun it’s your time line, the pins will come soon enough!!

    Enjoy and kudos!!!

    #514 43 days ago

    #515 43 days ago
    Quoted from yaksplat:

    we just had an earthquake this morning.

    I’m about an hour and a half from the border and didn’t notice anything here, but apparently it was felt at Niagara Falls

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    #516 38 days ago

    Finally, time for an update as I'm mostly coherent, I have a lot of pictures and my addition did not cave in.

    I learned more about drywalling than I thought possible. Since The guy doing the drywall is not just some random resource, I was able to ask him piles of questions along the way. Why do you use three kinds of mud, why aren't there screws there, why do you use those types of corners, what grit sandpaper, and another few thousand questions. I shall be ready when it's time to drywall the basement. He said he's taking a month off to watch me do it. Seems fair.

    I had just sent my wife pics to show people a full walkthrough, so I think those would work well here.

    The garage:
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    Great room:
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    Master:
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    Master bath, with nice purple Mold and mildew resistant drywall:
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    Skelly became a place to hang one's sweatshirt:
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    And I finally got the lights up in front. I used a "standard" dimension, which as you can see, was way too low. I had to move them up quite a bit as I have 8' doors.
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    We really think we like our truncated corner now.
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    #517 38 days ago

    And since I haven't updated in a while, here's a second one. I managed to set up the fireplace in the master. A few years ago, there was a family that just built a house a few miles from here. Their first night in the house they put on their gas fireplace and fell asleep. Well, their house burned down. They were all okay, but that story kind of freaked me out a little. So I decided to completely set up the fireplace and have it run for a while, making sure that all was good with the setup.

    Cut a hole in the drywall:
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    Frame out the specified opening for the thimple:
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    Insulate:
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    Reattach drywall:
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    Use a router on the outside to cut the hole, perfectly flush:
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    Whip out that caulk:
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    Put one side of the thimble in place and tape it up:
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    Add the exterior vent:
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    You can see the thimble with the double wall pipe. The outer layer of the pipe is for combustion air:
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    Interior thimble installed:
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    So, some amount of pipe will be inside the wall and run into the existing pipe in the wall. This is where it comes in handy to mark up the pipe. In this case, 0 is no pipe insertion and then the numbers are inches of insertion. I want at least 2" of overlap according to the manufacturer. If you don't mark it up, you'd never know.
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    At this point, the fireplace is installed and ready to test.
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    That thing stunk so bad from the paint and manufacturing oils, that I had the garage open as well as the windows to drive the stink out. It took a good 4 hours for the room to be tolerable, smell wise. I ran it for 2 full days while i was out there working. I just wanted to make sure that everything was all good before framing it all in.

    It turned out that the family whose house burned down had the vent pipe disconnect under the attic. The heat from the stove set the attic on fire. These pieces of pipe have almost a 2" overlap that locks after you rotate it an eighth turn. Everything is now ready to be framed in.

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    The companies do a hell of a good job with these gas burners. The broken glass looks just like hot embers and portions of the logs glow when heated up.
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    #518 38 days ago

    Great Update!

    #519 37 days ago

    Finally, after months of waiting, I got my HVAC guy here. He already had the plans, and he came up with an initial design, but this was the final measurements and seeing how things would run with the framing. We got through that, all is good, and then.....
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    Yup... he stepped wrong. He offered to pay to get it fixed, so that'll happen when the kitchen gets done. But I was more concerned that he got hurt. Fortunately, he was fine. I had flashbacks to my fall.

    #520 34 days ago

    ...looking forward to flipping when the project is done I'll bring some beer!

    #521 33 days ago
    Quoted from tommyp:

    ...looking forward to flipping when the project is done I'll bring some beer!

    Almost every day since April, there were about 5-10 beers consumed. So, 7 per day on average equates to about 2100 cans of beer. Add in the previous year of digging, teardown, and foundation and i think this is currently the 3000 beer project. Not 100% me, but likely 60%.

    #522 33 days ago

    One thing I realized is that I didn't take into account the final resting place of all of the lights. I had dimensions of where i wanted them to be located, but the reality of where they went was another story. My design says 3' in from that wall and 2'6 from that one, but there's a joist in that location. Therefore, the light location was moved. Then there's the consideration of what's in the room. Are there shelves on one side and I decided to move one joist over? I did a lot of these things on a whim, and it wasn't the best method.

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    However, I took a ton of pictures. Those saved me. I scanned them for any view of where the light boxes were. What side of what joist.
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    My drywaller had asked me if i marked the lights, I said no. He told me that builders normally mark the floor under each light and make sure that I cut the holes before priming anything. Once you prime, you lose the joist locations.

    I cut a lot of holes. One mistake. I swore that I moved the one light to 5' from each wall. But no, it was 6'. ugh.
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    My drywaller asked me how I was going to paint. I said i was going to buy a sprayer, use it and sell it off later. He says he has one, but it doesn't work. He thinks it's the hose. I said I'll take a look at it and hopefully i can fix it. Turns out the entire paint side of the pump is completely jammed. Paint streams everywhere. Every filter and orifice are plugged. I cleaned everything out, bought new filters and hose and got it running like new.
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    I've primed entire houses with a roller and it's the worst thing imaginable. Drywall sucks up so much primer that a full roller lasts a swipe and nothing more. I bought 30 gallons.

    Spraying primer is also a little dusty. All overspray turns into dust in the air.
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    Something about primer makes walls look finalized. So far I've sprayed 30 gallons, but I have another 5 or so before I'm done.
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    I can't say i enjoy this at all.
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    #523 33 days ago

    Wow 30 gallons, that’s nuts. I just sprayed 15G to paint my garage exterior and I had enough. I will say my old harbor freight paint sprayer is a total champ though. As long as you clean it out and oil it up after.

    #524 30 days ago
    Quoted from radium:

    Wow 30 gallons, that’s nuts. I just sprayed 15G to paint my garage exterior and I had enough. I will say my old harbor freight paint sprayer is a total champ though. As long as you clean it out and oil it up after.

    Cleanup is not fun with the sprayer. No, actually it's not horrible, you just need an extra 20-30 minutes to cycle enough water through.

    Today was the day i was finally going to get the furnace in. Everything was delivered on Friday. The guys were here, hauling everything up to the shop attic. I wandered away, and I heard, "Oh shit, lookout!"

    CRASH!

    Yeah, they dropped the furnace. About a 200-pound box. It fell about 10' and got all messed up so there's a new one coming on Monday. Installation is now going to be starting on Tuesday. Ugh...

    #525 30 days ago

    Better they dropped it than you. Lucky they had another one and it wasn't on backorder!

    #526 30 days ago
    Quoted from yaksplat:

    Cleanup is not fun with the sprayer. No, actually it's not horrible, you just need an extra 20-30 minutes to cycle enough water through.
    Today was the day i was finally going to get the furnace in. Everything was delivered on Friday. The guys were here, hauling everything up to the shop attic. I wandered away, and I heard, "Oh shit, lookout!"
    CRASH!
    Yeah, they dropped the furnace. About a 200-pound box. It fell about 10' and got all messed up so there's a new one coming on Monday. Installation is now going to be starting on Tuesday. Ugh...

    By the old one. Every perfect replacement part.

    #527 30 days ago
    Quoted from JohnTTwo:

    By the old one. Every perfect replacement part.

    Best thing I've heard all day.

    2 weeks later
    #528 13 days ago

    Ah, the fun of being a side job. I realize that these guys are doing my furnace after hours and on weekends and I'm saving a pile of cash, but it's slow going. At least some work has been done. Everything is waiting of the furnace. I can't tear down the kitchen walls until i have a furnace. Which means that I can't gut the kitchen, level the floor or paint the walls. So I'm trying to find things to do.

    I now have a passthrough between basements for the containers. I can also fit through
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    We decided that a half wall would work around the spiral staircase to the basement. Nice and solid.
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    Got everything all masked off to prime most of the great room today, but the needle in the spray gun snapped. No paint store in the area carry it, but could have it for me in two weeks. Amazon will have it here tomorrow.
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    Some furnace and ductwork progress.
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    Since we're removing the back wall of the kitchen, there are two ducts in it for the two existing bathrooms upstairs. Those will now be fed from the new furnace. The existing lines will go to the back of the new kitchen.
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    Neighbor didn't like my light. It is pointed straight down to meet code. Strangely his flood lights on the back of his house, point right at the side of my house. I'm waiting for a complaint.
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    #529 13 days ago
    Quoted from yaksplat:

    Ah, the fun of being a side job. I realize that these guys are doing my furnace after hours and on weekends and I'm saving a pile of cash, but it's slow going. At least some work has been done. Everything is waiting of the furnace. I can't tear down the kitchen walls until i have a furnace. Which means that I can't gut the kitchen, level the floor or paint the walls. So I'm trying to find things to do.
    I now have a passthrough between basements for the containers. I can also fit through
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    We decided that a half wall would work around the spiral staircase to the basement. Nice and solid.
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    Got everything all masked off to prime most of the great room today, but the needle in the spray gun snapped. No paint store in the area carry it, but could have it for me in two weeks. Amazon will have it here tomorrow.
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    Some furnace and ductwork progress.
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    Since we're removing the back wall of the kitchen, there are two ducts in it for the two existing bathrooms upstairs. Those will now be fed from the new furnace. The existing lines will go to the back of the new kitchen.
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    14" return
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    Neighbor didn't like my light. It is pointed straight down to meet code. Strangely his flood lights on the back of his house, point right at the side of my house. I'm waiting for a complaint.
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    I know it’s been said, but your neigbor sucks. Love the progress so far!

    #530 13 days ago

    Looking good

    #531 13 days ago
    Quoted from yaksplat:

    No paint store in the area carry it, but could have it for me in two weeks.

    #532 13 days ago

    "Well ain't this place a geographical oddity! Two weeks from everywhere!"

    Such a great movie.

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    #533 6 days ago

    Here's one of those, not too exciting, but will likely pay off in the long run things.

    Rim joist insulation.

    I probably should have done this a long time ago, but energy savings was not high on my list of priorities. Due to the amazing foundation work, I had plenty of air leaks, even with the sill seal in place. I mean full on daylight. Either under the sill plate or between the rim joist and sill plate.

    I decided to put 2" of extruded foam (R10) against the rim joist, held in place by spray foam and then a layer of rock wool (R23) and then also a 1" layer of extruded foam (R5) outside the sill plate on the top of the foundation. This is more for air sealing.

    Step 1: buy 4x8 sheets and cut all of the pieces. Foam on the table saw is a blast.
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    A layer of spray foam works like adhesive against the foundation. A 4" piece outside the sill plate and a 2" thick piece against the rim joist. 2 small pieces to fit in the web of the i-joists.
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    Topped off with R23 rock wool. It's a nice and rigid solution.
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    The torpedo heater in the basement has already been turning on at a much lower frequency. Mission accomplished.

    #534 6 days ago
    Quoted from yaksplat:

    Here's one of those, not too exciting, but will likely pay off in the long run things.
    Rim joist insulation.
    I probably should have done this a long time ago, but energy savings was not high on my list of priorities. Due to the amazing foundation work, I had plenty of air leaks, even with the sill seal in place. I mean full on daylight. Either under the sill plate or between the rim joist and sill plate.
    I decided to put 2" of extruded foam (R10) against the rim joist, held in place by spray foam and then a layer of rock wool (R23) and then also a 1" layer of extruded foam (R5) outside the sill plate on the top of the foundation. This is more for air sealing.
    Step 1: buy 4x8 sheets and cut all of the pieces. Foam on the table saw is a blast.
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    A layer of spray foam works like adhesive against the foundation. A 4" piece outside the sill plate and a 2" thick piece against the rim joist. 2 small pieces to fit in the web of the i-joists.
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    Topped off with R23 rock wool. It's a nice and rigid solution.
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    The torpedo heater in the basement has already been turning on at a much lower frequency. Mission accomplished.

    WOW, that's a TON of bitch work there. I have a smaller place then you and I called the spray foam guys and just had them shoot the rim joists. I had some other spaces for them to do at the same time so it wasn't just that but still low sq ft. That was years ago though, probably couldn't get anyone to show up for that sized job anymore.

    #535 6 days ago

    It absolutely is bitch work. The cost for the foam and cans was $180. I don't think you can get anyone to even look in your direction for under $500 now.

    It was satisfying though. Except for that 2" wood splinter that stuck 1/2" under my finger nail. Officially the second bloodiest splinter in my life.

    #536 5 days ago

    A chill just ran up my spine.

    #537 5 days ago
    Quoted from DarthPaul:

    A chill just ran up my spine.

    Demons

    #538 5 days ago

    I love this thread. I can’t wait to see games rolling in and getting set up.

    #539 4 days ago
    Quoted from Walk:

    I love this thread. I can’t wait to see games rolling in and getting set up.

    It's going to be a bit. There's still a kitchen, flooring, bathroom, a shit ton of trim, siding, yard and then I get into the basement. But the thought of those machines getting into pinball alley keeps me going. It's weird, standing in the basement and picturing where everything is going to be and how things are going to look.

    #540 4 days ago

    I think i summoned a couple.

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