(Topic ID: 116927)
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Machine: Bride of Pinbot, The
Williams, 1991
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Tucson, AZ
It's not a great price considering he admits it's got wear in the middle of the pf, the displays are screwed up and it's got severe cab fade. There is also some issue with the head it looks like it's taped. Actually looking at the pics better the pf is trashed. It's either a destroyed dp field or it never got mylared. It's high for the condition.
Quoted from seshpilot:That IS a great price. When the new PFs come out, you could have a beautiful BOP for $2k. They are never less than that around here
If you ignore the cab issues and damaged displays.
Let me offer a suggestion...
Post better pictures and more details.
Post pictures of the boards.
Post pictures of the ramps.
Post inside of the cabinet.
Price-wise I'm not going to comment, but the details are going to make a big difference.
If it's got board damage from batteries, it could be a few hundred bucks depending on the damage.
Definitely need a playfield which are coming, but limited quantity, and they are going to be $800.
If the ramps are broken, that's a few hundred.
Broken plastics, could be a few hundred.
Any issues on the inside of the cabinet (water, etc) could be an issue.
Cosmetic issues on the head (looks like a corner is taped) could be an issue.
So there are just a lot of unknowns here. If it just has a faded cabinet, maybe some light battery damage, and a trashed playfield, it may be a fair deal. But the unknowns could easily put someone into this for a lot more than it's worth, so maybe add a bit more info and that will make folks here more comfy.
Quoted from NJGecko:Let me offer a suggestion...
Post better pictures and more details.
Post pictures of the boards.
Post pictures of the ramps.
Post inside of the cabinet.
Price-wise I'm not going to comment, but the details are going to make a big difference.
If it's got board damage from batteries, it could be a few hundred bucks depending on the damage.
Definitely need a playfield which are coming, but limited quantity, and they are going to be $800.
If the ramps are broken, that's a few hundred.
Broken plastics, could be a few hundred.
Any issues on the inside of the cabinet (water, etc) could be an issue.
Cosmetic issues on the head (looks like a corner is taped) could be an issue.
So there are just a lot of unknowns here. If it just has a faded cabinet, maybe some light battery damage, and a trashed playfield, it may be a fair deal. But the unknowns could easily put someone into this for a lot more than it's worth, so maybe add a bit more info and that will make folks here more comfy.
agreed it could be a decent deal if its not as bad as it looks, but based only on whats seen its not in good shape at all.
Quoted from calvin12:It's not a great price considering he admits it's got wear in the middle of the pf, the displays are screwed up and it's got severe cab fade. There is also some issue with the head it looks like it's taped. Actually looking at the pics better the pf is trashed. It's either a destroyed dp field or it never got mylared. It's high for the condition.
I agree. The playfield is destroyed.
ok. well given i have never seen a BoP that hasnt had a destroyed playfield... I would consider a worn to shit one to be normal
Quoted from frogman70:Cabinet doesn't look faded to me. I thought it is pretty nice. Flash may have washed out color a little, but this is half price of a collector quality BOP.
no fade? It has no red on one side the red is completely gone on the left in the leg area, the front is missing the red. the red is there but way faded on the front right. we cant see if the head id the same way or not. the back end of the cab stitt has reds since t was apparently kept between machines or there was a wall next to the back of the machine with the front in sun.
Quoted from castlesteve:ok. well given i have never seen a BoP that hasnt had a destroyed playfield... I would consider a worn to shit one to be normal
there's a big difference between the ball drop wear that's normal, or the under spinner wear that happens on this title and having large areas of bare wood in the middle of the PF. Ive never seen one as bad as the OP. the one below is mine, its discolored where the mylar was and had drop wear. These came mylared from the factory I believe. the center wear is uncommon.
the OPs pic is hard to tell.. but i've had 4 BoPs over the years. If the factory mylar stayed on for any amount of time, the playfield is horribly faded. If removed, then it gets worn to crap. THere really is no difference to me... the playfield has to be scrapped and replaced with new. Finding one that is not worn or faded is pretty rare. All the other bits are available
Quoted from calvin12:there's a big difference between the ball drop wear that's normal, or the under spinner wear that happens on this title and having large areas of bare wood in the middle of the PF. Ive never seen one as bad as the OP. the one below is mine, its discolored where the mylar was and had drop wear. These came mylared from the factory I believe. the center wear is uncommon.
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I actually believe that the mylar came from the factory "ready to apply" but the owner actually had to apply it. Most did, but I've seen a bunch without any in place.
Quoted from castlesteve:ok. well given i have never seen a BoP that hasnt had a destroyed playfield... I would consider a worn to shit one to be normal
Mine was in great condition. Only wear was at the ball drop.
Quoted from NJGecko:I actually believe that the mylar came from the factory "ready to apply" but the owner actually had to apply it. Most did, but I've seen a bunch without any in place.
Mine had no mylar on it and there was no wear either (was not DP). Must not have gotten many plays. Maybe I should have held onto it...
I have a NOS and it is mylared.
I think the price is good even with the problems even as a parts machine your be hard pressed to find the parts alone at this price. Granted it will need lots of love, nothing a 2.0 kit and new PF plus new decals and a few other bits couldn't fix
Quoted from MustangPaul:I have a NOS and it is mylared.
I have a NOS PF and it only has a small patch of mylar in the pop area - rest is bare. The pf in the machine I bought had no mylar at all and is severely worn.
Back to topic - this is a very decent price for this pin. Display could be as simple as a connector. Anyone who is serious is going to be local and able to look over things in person. For a little work it could be a very nice player.
I'm probably in the minority here but I believe not every damn machine needs to be 'collector quality' to be enjoyed for what it is.
Richmond Hill, ON
Quoted from cpu-slave:I have a NOS PF and it only has a small patch of mylar in the pop area - rest is bare. The pf in the machine I bought had no mylar at all and is severely worn.
Back to topic - this is a very decent price for this pin. Display could be as simple as a connector. Anyone who is serious is going to be local and able to look over things in person. For a little work it could be a very nice player.
I'm probably in the minority here but I believe not every damn machine needs to be 'collector quality' to be enjoyed for what it is.
it could be a connector, but its both displays with different issues. The lower ones looks to have outgassing issues along with incorrectly displaying data. The upper is not displaying correctly and has even less ability to display the segments fully. From the pics it needs displays to fix the outgassing and the board fixed so the correct data will be displayed on the new displays.
Quoted from castlesteve:it's only money
thats half the hook to a country song I wrote a few years ago.
"It's only money and Ill make more monday...I guess that's why I am soooo alone on Sunday" LOL
There aren't very many Brides out there so every one that is saveable should be saved. The money needed to save this one has been spent on other titles. Someone save this Bride while the parts are available, 2 years from now they may not be.
Why? There's something like 6000 brides out there and you shoudk be able to find most of not all the parts including playfield a soon. at any rate this wil be sold, again, I'd almost go for it myself but for the price to trick it out 2.0 style and give it the love it needs I can get something with deeper ruleset. Still, for someone that wants a decent players bride, this could get you there once those playfields drop (and a bit of work)
Quoted from anubis2night:There's something like 6000 brides out there
How do you know there's something like 6000 Brides out there. 
The game has been out since 1991, 24 years and people played the crap out of them. I wouldn't give you $10 for a ramp, mini pf or helmet that's been in an original game since 1991 because very few are worth any thing. That's why all these new parts are being made because the ones that are out there are in need of replacing. Only a hand full of originals out there I'll wager are in mint condition, all the rest need new parts of one kind or another.
Your right, there was approximately 8100 bop made, while most are probably not 100 percent and many many need repair that doesn't equate to a loss of over 20 - 30 percent or more. my point was that there's many around. What's great is that thanks to 2.0 and new PF's these will start to get more love. Hopefully the rulesets will get deep enough to justify the price point for conversion
Quoted from anubis2night:Your right, there was approximately 8100 bop made, while most are probably not 100 percent and many many need repair that doesn't equate to a loss of over 20 - 30 percent or more. my point was that there's many around. What's great is that thanks to 2.0 and new PF's these will start to get more love. Hopefully the rulesets will get deep enough to justify the price point for conversion
The rule set it's already better than 1.0
No argument here 
just not sure if its enough to push a 2.0 bop into the $4500 - 5500 range (though we will see) I'm a huge bop fan, so it will be interesting to find out
Quoted from anubis2night:No argument here just not sure if its enough to push a 2.0 bop into the $4500 - 5500 range (though we will see) I'm a huge bop fan, so it will be interesting to find out
no way in hell its 4500, even with the mods its not a 3k game. some of the insane people here will say it is, but no.
And that was my point, the average bop now is like $2200 - $2800 plus another 2000 - 2200 for 2.0. for someone interested in a BOP and a 2.0, it's a comparison to what other games in that price point have.
With this one the OP has I'm actually interested as its relatively close and not too badly priced but I'd want to convert to 2.0 and factoring in new PF and conversion its not too viable for me. That being said, if I was going to just play it as an original or invest a bit over time it would be super tempting.
Quoted from calvin12:no way in hell its 4500, even with the mods its not a 3k game. some of the insane people here will say it is, but no.
i would disagree but thats just me... time will tell
I would pay $4000 for a super clean restored BOP. Problem is that this machine looks like it will go over that to restore. It needs pretty much new everything and at least 60 hrs of labour.
Quoted from anubis2night:the average bop now is like $2200 - $2800
sounds $1k high to me
That's the average I've sene lately (keep in mind I'm on the west coast and we tend to have higher prices) at that price is rather go for a shadow
Quoted from herbertbsharp:sounds $1k high to me
I'd agree be cause the average one is in poor condition and will be priced out of range to get them to collector/Home use status. New playfield, new boards, new plastics, Led's, Cabinet work plus labour will easily add $3000 minimum to the base pin price. Once you go past $4500 then you are into modern pin pro territory.
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