Attack from Mars
Bally, 1995
Medieval Madness
Williams, 1997
Shadow, The
Bally, 1994We all know the legendary playfield designer, Brian Eddy (or at least you should if you're on Pinside), so I'd like to ask, which of his three playfield designs (Medieval Madness, Attack From Mars, or The Shadow) do you like the most?
I would definitely say TS. The battlefield is something the others don't have, and it's much faster and more challenging (As I've seen so far). It also has more flippers and balls than the other. 
We just had this exact thread maybe a month ago. 
Too lazy to dig it up, but I voted Shadow, even though I love the other two, just because it's the only one Brian Eddy did both the playfield design and the software, which I think makes it pretty cool. Plus it's really like nothing else. The other two are kings of the fan IMHO, not a slight towards either, but they're still fans, and so not so unique in that sense.
Quoted from Aurich:We just had this exact thread maybe a month ago. Too lazy to dig it up, but I voted Shadow, even though I love the other two, just because it's the only one Brian Eddy did both the playfield design and the software, which I think makes it pretty cool. Plus it's really like nothing else. The other two are kings of the fan IMHO, not a slight towards either, but they're still fans, and so not so unique in that sense.
There was a similar post? I never noticed 
Whoops.
Quoted from kwiKimart:Shadow all the way!!!!
I guess that means you want to keep it.
Quoted from o-din:I guess that means you want to keep it.
Yes, but if I ever get into financial trouble, I let you know ASAP!!
Quoted from kwiKimart:Yes, but if I ever get into financial trouble, I let you know ASAP!!
Like if a nice Indy shows up?
I believe ya should add Indiana Jones as he did a lot if not most of the tricks and shit designed in it.
Quoted from usandthem:The big question is why is MM a 10K+ game, AFM a 6K+ game, and TS a 2K+ game?
Shadow is too difficult for the novice, and not everyone wants Alec Baldwin in their livingroom.
Quoted from o-din:Shadow is too difficult for the novice, and not everyone wants Alec Baldwin in their livingroom.
First point taken... However, 4-8K is an awfully expensive reason to dislike a translite.
Quoted from usandthem:First point taken... However, 4-8K is an awfully expensive reason to dislike a translite.
OK, I'll add that this game takes work to play, and a lot of people just don't like to work that hard.
Looks like The Shadow's popularity is increasing quite nicely from a couple months ago:
http://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/what-is-brian-eddys-best-game
Quoted from o-din:usandthem said:
The big question is why is MM a 10K+ game, AFM a 6K+ game, and TS a 2K+ game?Shadow is too difficult for the novice, and not everyone wants Alec Baldwin in their livingroom.
Hard to believe that Alec Baldwin can hurt the value of pinball machine so much , but the evidence sure seems to place blame with him . Imagine how cheap you could get a shadow that was signed by Alec Baldwin ? $500 ? Maybe , if it's worth anything at all .
I really don't mind the translite, never did. It still looks better than some of the alternates I've seen. The speaker panel could use some work, though.
Quoted from trilogybeer:Hard to believe that Alec Baldwin can hurt the value of pinball machine so much , but the evidence sure seems to place blame with him . Imagine how cheap you could get a Shadow that was signed by Alec Baldwin ? $500 ? Maybe , if it's worth anything at all .
It's obviously more than the translite. Call outs on Shadow are not nearly as good as either MM or AFM. I'd say that the theme itself has a hell of a lot more to do with the value of Shadow being so much less than AFM or MM than the translite (which I actually don't think is as bad as many make it out to be...it's better than STTNG's).
Quoted from Kneissl:Shadow; The poor man's TZ is clearly the best.
I always thought of TZ as a poor man's pin.
Quoted from RobT:trilogybeer said:
Hard to believe that Alec Baldwin can hurt the value of pinball machine so much , but the evidence sure seems to place blame with him . Imagine how cheap you could get a Shadow that was signed by Alec Baldwin ? $500 ? Maybe , if it's worth anything at all .It's obviously more than the translite. Call outs on Shadow are not nearly as good as either MM or AFM. I'd say that the theme itself has a hell of a lot more to do with the value of Shadow being so much less than AFM or MM than the translite (which I actually don't think is as bad as many make it out to be...it's better than STTNG's).
Yeah . It was a joke obviously not funny at all . Don't worry I won't quit my day job .
Quoted from RobT:It's obviously more than the translite. Call outs on Shadow are not nearly as good as either MM or AFM. I'd say that the theme itself has a hell of a lot more to do with the value of Shadow being so much less than AFM or MM than the translite (which I actually don't think is as bad as many make it out to be...it's better than STTNG's).
Call outs on Shadow not being as good is debatable.
I would say that there are many more call outs on AFM and MM, than on Shadow. But the call outs that are there on Shadow are fantastic.
Different call outs for the combos (I especially like the 7 way), the call outs before and after the final battle are awesome, as are the Shadow jackpot and super jackpot voice work. The "Noooo" when you break through the back of the battlefield is great, really I can't think of any bad call outs in the game.
AFM and MM's call outs definitely give them a lot of personality, but Shadow is no slouch in this area either.
I think that Shadow is not as valuable as the other two because it broke a lot on location and was so difficult for casual players that it did not ever enjoy the hype that MM and AFM got.
And it has an ugly translite.
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