If i run a charity event for $20 an entry and have 30 participants minus the ifpa fee that is $570 for the charity.

Some participants don’t care about the charity and if i ran it without it being ifpa sanctioned and had 20 participants that would be $400 for the charity.

This is where the ifpa adds value.

Josh has repeatedly said that they’ll be keeping a close eye on how these changes unfold and has been as transparent as possible. If these changes affect competitive pinball negatively then changes will be made in 2019.

For charity events, submit it to IFPA 30+ days in advance and make $1 an opt in if folks want results uploaded to IFPA site. You get exposure of being on IFPA calendar and offer versatility to participants.

As a TD im not offering that though, all my participants will have results uploaded.

The SCS winners change pretty frequently from year to year. In North Carolina we’ve had a new winner the past 3 years and only those are eligible for Nationals. Even if it was a static group that made up the 1%, the higher payout would attract new players.

Thats up to the TD but for me the answer is No. All the events I TD run will be sanctioned by IFPA.

Results for supressed players still get submitted and their player strength still affects the points the event is worth. Just that their name isn’t listed on the site and they can’t participate in state championship.

Some new players will be attracted to competitive pinball due to the higher payouts at the state and national championship.

Some new players will be attracted because of the reason you mentioned.

I think we’re both right?

Monthly Tournaments - Entry Fee - $5 for someones first time at our location - $10 for others. $1 will be subtracted from the prize pool.
Our normal league - Entry Fee - $1 to cover IFPA Fee , Top 3 of 6 events count towards standings per season.
Our selfie League - $1 to cover IFPA Fee will be covered by location
Charity Events - Entry Fee - Normally $20+ - we'll subtract from prize pool or location/i'll cover
Ad-hoc Promotional Events - Mostly occur within 30 day window and won't be IFPA events.

All of this is transparent to all our participants and I don't see anyone having a problem with it.

We all have choices just like Tournament Directors. If the majority of our participants protested the $1 change and wouldn't visit our location anymore we'd obviously provide feedback to Josh and look at making changes ourselves. Events have to be mutually beneficial to both the establishment (if its an event at a business) and the player. I would encourage folks as yourself to provide this feedback to the tournament directors and feel free to pass that information onto Josh or in this thread etc.

Personally I'm interested to see how these changes unfold in 2018 and plan to support the IFPA 100%. This might be a bit biased since I'm the state rep for NC but both myself and the owner of the establishment I run events at find value in the IFPA. We have a group on facebook with over 100 players and enjoy seeing how we rank in the state and world.

I also have a lot of respect for Josh because he spends a lot of time on different forums and social media platforms answering as many questions as he can and give reasons why he's doing things the way he/they are.

I won't tell them either, just take the $1 off the pot.

For free entry tournaments if the player isn't willing to put in the $1 nor the location or a sponsor etc I wouldn't make it an IFPA sanctioned event. The flip side is if you have a location that is willing to pay the $1 for a free tournament they'll just recruit that player base.

This is why folks become Tournament Directors, so they can run events the way they want them. You have 10 pins and can run a monthly tournament out of your house the way you want to. You can also partner up with a location and run them however you want adhering to the IFPA guidelines if its a sanctioned event of course.

Why would you have to explain anything to folks coming over your house to participate in a tournament. Do you not have any interaction with them prior to coming over and they don't have internet? Just tell them to head to this site: https://www.ifpapinball.com/menu/about/about-the-ifpa/ . You can also print out some copies and hand it to them.

This is a good data point.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out and if the local bar or player base will change to pay the $1 per player fee. The only time we'll have free tournaments in this area is if there is a sponsor and we're trying to promote something and have schwag to give away..

You dont run IFPA tourneys where you play because money brings out the worse in people yet the $1 per player per event fee to award points is starting in 2018.

You also mention its a shame this thread has been allowed to go off topic yet your post doesn’t mention anything about Bowen?

I think Bowen is a great guy and yes he is a supressed player but he competes in and runs IFPA sanctioned events and has made no indication he won’t continue this in 2018. He supressed himself in April 2017 days prior to PAPA 20 where he finished 2nd. He helps run Pinburgh which is the largest IFPA sanctioned event in the world. This topic is old news and has been debated to death on facebook and other forums months ago.

It will be interesting to see if Bowen has any results submitted in 2018 thus supporting the new IFPA changes.

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