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Borg or Ritchie - who's the best!

By MacLean

6 years ago


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    #58 6 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    For modern pinball, however, I have to say that Pat Lawlor wins. He just has such a huge variety of designs and really knows how to make a game feel great, regardless of theme or rule set.

    Quoted from jar155:

    The biggest issue I have with Borg is that he is the king of recycling ideas and mechs. He really needs to do something different in the future.

    Really??? Pats games recycle as much or more than Borg's by a mile. The majority of Pat's games have all been variations of each other. The one time he really tried a different layout in the last 20 years was Nascar - which didn't really work out all that well. I guess he didn't have a shot through the pops on Family Guy.

    I love Pat's games and have 4 of them currently, but they are all extremely similar in layout. There's only so much room on a playfield, and the good designs tend to get re-used, and repeated by the same designers. It's just how it is. Borg is on a roll right now IMO, and re-using the combination of the NBA ball launch and IJ Ark in Aerosmith was an awesome move - and very different. Neither of those previous implementations panned out, but in AS it's great! It's actually a testament to his skill as a designer to re-use things that didn't work out previously, for the win. That actually IS taking a chance.

    #73 6 years ago
    Quoted from jar155:

    Well, no, you're totally wrong. Are you really going to say that Banzai Run, Whirlwind, Twilight Zone, NASCAR, Family Guy, Ripley's Believe it or Not, Roadshow, Funhouse, Safe Cracker, and his other games are more similar to one another than Metallica, Aerosmith, KISS, X-MEN, The Walking Dead, Avatar, and Iron Man? Seriously. Like, for real?

    Yes - definitely Borg has MORE variety for sure.
    Let's look at Pat Lawlor: Earthshaker -> Whirlwind -> Funhouse -> Addams Family -> Twilight Zone -> Roadshow -> No Good Gofers -> Monopoly -> Roller Coaster Tycoon -> Ripleys : *** All very similar ***

    All of these are very similar and have the standard "Lawlor Layout" - It's easy to spot the same primary design. As I already mentioned, NASCAR and Family Guy are a little different. I'm not going to count Safe Cracker as it's a pint-sized game, and Banzai Run was pre-DMD.

    For Borg, he has:
    - Tales from the Crypt
    - Jurassic Park
    - Guns n' Roses
    - Apollo 13
    - Mary Shelley's Frankenstein
    - Last Action Hero
    - Lost in Space
    - Harley Davidson
    - Sharkey's Shootout
    - High Roller Casino
    - Austin Powers
    - Big Buck Hunter
    - NBA
    - Iron Man
    - Tron
    - Indiana Jones
    - X-Men
    - Avatar
    - The Walking Dead
    - KISS
    - Aerosmith

    There is MUCH more variety of layouts in the above list than in Pat's DMD games.
    Example: Tron - TWD - AS - Metallica - HRC - NBA - Big Buck Hunter - TftC - Sharkeys Shootout - MSF are all completely different from each other. Which is NOT the case with the above list of Pat Lawlors. It's so easy to spot a Pat Lawlor layout - except for TSPP which will fool you since it wasn't actually from Pat LOL.

    #75 6 years ago
    Quoted from InfiniteLives:

    or jurassic park which is a rip off of whirlwind/addams family etc
    everyone borrows from everyone else. they is only so much real estate

    Very true

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