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BOP Club...non 2.0

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#2151 5 months ago
Quoted from Biglouie:

Have you had the head apart? Face off?
Could they be in wrong order? I had this with mine, I had them wrong way round so calibration didn't work.
Also, mine used to stick because the lamps inside the eyes would catch inside on the face panels too. Had to change those

No, I'm pretty sure they're in the right order and nothing is catching. My Bride is a bit schizo.

For a while, the face wasn't working as a result of a problem with the 1st switch in the wire frame after the ball exits her mouth. That switch wasn't registering every time. The ball would leave her eyes, then the music would stop and both balls would be locked. I replaced that switch and after much adjusting, got it to trigger the face to the next phase correctly.

Then, the face started skipping the eyes during games. I reflowed the solder on the relay board and all was good.

Now, the face always starts on eyes at the beginning of a game, even though every face tests correctly when I cycle the face in test mode. The switch registers correctly on all but the last face during tests.

My next step will be to make sure the switch insider her face is wired correctly (I believe it's supposed to be wired differently than the other switches in the game).

#2152 5 months ago

I can take some pictures here if it helps?

#2153 5 months ago

That would be great if you've got yours disassembled already. If not, no worries. I think there are some pics of that switch somewhere on pinside.

#2154 5 months ago

Hi I've had a BOP for over 2 years no real issues until the other day my wire lock didnt release the ball after it locked ball 1. It ball searched and never released it. I checked switches on the ramp and tested and they are working in menu. Took apart coil, cleaned and replaced plastic tube, reassembled and it started working fine. 2 days later same issue. Replaced the ae 26 1200 coil worked 2 more days great and then repeated issue. What am I missing? It's like the coil is getting power sometimes or something. Need some guidance.

#2155 5 months ago

Are the switches in the wire frame below her mouth testing fine with a ball when you drop it right below her mouth, as opposed to testing with your finger or testing with the ball just above the switch? That's one of the problems I had early on - the switch would test fine when I pressed it with my finger, and even sometimes when I rolled a ball over it, but when I rolled the ball from her mouth, it rarely ever tested correctly. I still have to adjust it occasionally to get it to trigger consistently.

#2156 5 months ago

I was going to suggest the same as Boslaw

Test with a ball and physically move the switches further out so they get a definite switch on with a ball.

Maybe they dont always get fully engaged by the ball?

Bend the wire out in the switch if needed?

#2157 5 months ago
Quoted from Boslaw:

That would be great if you've got yours disassembled already. If not, no worries. I think there are some pics of that switch somewhere on pinside.

So a few things of note I guess.

The first face goes on the side with the big scoop out of the top square panel.

Then to left is eyes.

Mouth, eyes and first full face all have a wide slot pressed into the top square panel. For the switch to roll into.

Make sure the switch is pushed up enough to engage. It's normally open when it's in one of the three slots and it closes as the head turns.

The switch is pressed ON as the head turns and is off when it drops into place on a face. With the exception of the very last face, which has no slot on the top holding plate.

Face 1 mouth, has slot
Face 2 eyes has slot
Face 3 face has slot
Face 4 face does not have a slot for the switch to drop into.

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That's how it calibrates, by knowing where those 3 slots are as marked in red.

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#2158 5 months ago

Biglouie Thanks for those pics. Very clear. Depending on when I get done with work tonight I'm going to check to see if the diode in her head is oriented correctly.

Opened her face, diode and wiring are correct. Manual Head rotation tested perfectly. Switch registering correctly on every face. Took the roller arm off the switch and added it back. Problem is now gone. This is the most finicky pinball machine ever.

#2159 5 months ago

My god, she's Alive! Thanks for the advice on the switches. Between adjusting lock switch 2 on the ramp and reseatng the rom chip that seem to work. She is now back to her beautiful self again.

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#2160 5 months ago
Quoted from Boslaw:

biglouie Thanks for those pics. Very clear. Depending on when I get done with work tonight I'm going to check to see if the diode in her head is oriented correctly.
Opened her face, diode and wiring are correct. Manual Head rotation tested perfectly. Switch registering correctly on every face. Took the roller arm off the switch and added it back. Problem is now gone. This is the most finicky pinball machine ever.

Good that it's fixed tho! Maybe that switch wasn't quite engaging enough..

#2161 5 months ago
Quoted from Biglouie:

Got inside BoPs head this evening. Very mucky.
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Haven't got an after pic, will get one tomorrow, but it runs smoother now, BUT it doesn't want to turn by hand when the little motor is attached.
Very strange, as the motor runs free on its own.
Bit of tweaking, any advice from anyone that's been in the head of BoP much appreciated

How do you get the white plastic "cam" off of the motor?
thx

#2162 5 months ago

It's not pictured in this photo my another poster.

#2163 5 months ago
Quoted from izzy:

How do you get the white plastic "cam" off of the motor?
thx

Lots of good detailed information just on the head here:

#2164 5 months ago
Quoted from izzy:

How do you get the white plastic "cam" off of the motor?
thx

Not sure I understand where you mean. Got a pic?

#2165 5 months ago

Thx for the video, but it doesn't show how to take the motor bracket assembly apart. Photo is from the video.
thx

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#2166 5 months ago
Quoted from izzy:

Thx for the video, but it doesn't show how to take the motor bracket assembly apart. Photo is from the video.
thx
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It,s been a few years since I had mine apart. I recall it just being slightly pressed on (white cam). The shaft of the gearbox has a 'T' on the end.
Zoom in of the second picture of this listing, for referance.

https://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/parts-by-machine/williams-parts/the-machine-bride-of-pinbot/03-8476.html

I was having some excessive side to side movement, causing the position switch to sometimes not register correctly, as this person had:
Read this link and look at the last picture. Mine also had an oversized washer, which was riding under the white cam causing everything to run not true. Make sure it has the smaller washer.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bride-of-pinbot-head-motor-problem

Hope that helps somehow.

#2167 5 months ago

izzy apologies, I didn't take this piece off mine when I reconditioned the gear box.

#2168 5 months ago

Thx for the info.Didn't want to end up breaking it.
izzy

#2169 5 months ago

A few months ago I posted that I was looking for gate #A-14372 for my BoP. It's a one-way gate that is no longer available.

I got a metal shop to make up 15 of them. They will sell for $15 ea + shipping (excludes the wire, which IS actually avail from Marco and others, or you can bend yourself). Price is high because they used expensive equipment time for a limited run.

The gate I'm talking about is seen in the video at the following linked post:

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/bop-clubnon-20/page/38#post-5573313

I'm using one and the fit and operation are perfect - stops a lot of SDTM drops from the pops area.

PM me if you're interested.

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#2170 4 months ago

Hi.
I bought my BOP more than one year ago.
Now I'm starting to restoring it.
The first thing I noticed is the playfield is without the lifting mechanism like other williams pinballs with DMD.
Are all the pins that way ?
If yes, did someone installed the mechanism ?
Thx

#2171 4 months ago
Quoted from Marco1973:

playfield is without the lifting mechanism like other williams pinballs with DMD.
Are all the pins that way ?

Yes, BOP has the rear of the playfield on a simple post style hinge point, like older games.

#2172 4 months ago

I know my T2 is a DMD with the same hinge system as BOP. Not sure when they changed over to the newer system.

#2173 4 months ago

Getaway was the first game to use the guides instead of the hinge

#2174 4 months ago

I would see the pictures of someone who installed the newer rails for upraising the playfield.

Maybe is there someone who has a used playfield that wants to sell it ?

#2175 4 months ago

Does anyone know of a Vendor that sells Mirror Blades for Bride? Any info is appreciated.

#2176 4 months ago
Quoted from FtrMech:

Does anyone know of a Vendor that sells Mirror Blades for Bride? Any info is appreciated.

Pinballdecals. I think you can use one of the types they sell.

#2177 4 months ago
Quoted from FtrMech:

Does anyone know of a Vendor that sells Mirror Blades for Bride? Any info is appreciated.

Tilt Graphics sells them!

#2178 3 months ago
Quoted from Marco1973:

Pinballdecals. I think you can use one of the types they sell.

Thank you.

#2179 3 months ago
Quoted from MG7322:

Tilt Graphics sells them!

Thank you.

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#2180 68 days ago

Does anybody have a spare backbox light baffle or is able to loan theirs to Soulrider911? He's willing to make a model of it for 3D printing. I don't see these available for sale anywhere and most I've seen (mine included) are so damaged or brittle and prone to breaking when changing a bulb. He's already made one for CFTBL, check here to see!

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/3d-printing-sharing-thread-lets-better-the-hobby/page/15#post-6290810

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#2181 68 days ago
Quoted from snakesnsparklers:

Does anybody have a spare backbox light baffle or is able to loan theirs to Soulrider911? He's willing to make a model of it for 3D printing. I don't see these available for sale anywhere and most I've seen (mine included) are so damaged or brittle and prone to breaking when changing a bulb. He's already made one for CFTBL, check here to see!

There was rumors of these being remade but i haven't spotted anything about this for a while now. I even emailed Pinball Life a year or so back asking if these could be done but didn't get a definitive answer Mine would be in the shape of most i reckon, don't breath on it too heavily Be VERY keen to buy one if they come up for sale as it was the only thing unobtainium when i had my machine restored.

#2182 68 days ago

Pinball life has them on the to do list but no eta from what I understand .

#2183 68 days ago

Hey guys, If someone can make some measurements, I can 3D model this up in Solidworks and generate an stl file. Don't want to go into production, but you could get anyone with a 3D printer to print you one using it, or use a service. Any interest in that? I own BOP, but she is currently in climate controlled storage while we have work done on the house, otherwise I would just measure it myself. I would most likely need the thickness of the base, the height from base to the top of the baffle, the overall length and width, plus a nice clear straight on picture of it next to a ruler. I could then import the image and use it as a guide to draw the baffle shapes, getting the relational dimensions from overall length and width. Simple job really, take me an evening at most, including test printing one.

#2184 68 days ago

Hey folks yes if someone feels comfortable shipping me one I can make an stl file, I can also print some for folks
Cheers

#2185 68 days ago
Quoted from Soulrider911:

Hey folks yes if someone feels comfortable shipping me one I can make an stl file, I can also print some for folks
Cheers

If anyone is brave enough, this is probably the best option

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#2186 57 days ago

Cleaning up my BOP today and the socket on the upper left ramp Assembly was so brittle it fell apart and split in 2.

It is 24-8821 according to the manual but no luck on a search. Any other alternatives?

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#2187 57 days ago
Quoted from MG7322:

It is 24-8821 according to the manual but no luck on a search. Any other alternatives?

Only place i could find one was over here >>
https://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/24-8821.html

#2188 56 days ago

Thanks! I’ll check it out!

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#2190 8 days ago
Quoted from Mancave:

I'm fairly sure that Buthamburg are redoing the repro PF's again. They are very, very good

They plan a (last?) run in autumn this year.

#2191 8 days ago
Quoted from Soulrider911:

Hey folks yes if someone feels comfortable shipping me one I can make an stl file, I can also print some for folks
Cheers

Any update on these? Mine would be wayyy too brittle to post from Oz to you unfortunately, otherwise i would do so.

#2192 8 days ago
Quoted from MG7322:

Cleaning up my BOP today and the socket on the upper left ramp Assembly was so brittle it fell apart and split in 2.
It is 24-8821 according to the manual but no luck on a search. Any other alternatives?
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https://www.pinballspareparts.com.au/playfield-parts/sockets/24-8821.html

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