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BOP Club...non 2.0


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#1701 1 year ago
Quoted from Marvin:

Good, play your games, don't just look at them. A lot of people here don't seem to understand that.

So true, seems they are worried they loose some kind of street cred if the game has a single scratch or (god forbid) a dimple...

#1702 1 year ago
Quoted from Marvin:

Lots of people think they have decals when they see the white layer but that's a vinyl layer bonded to the wood when the cabinets were built to act as a substrate for the screening.

Technically speaking that is still a decal. I have a NOS set of decals for a Sega Manx twin machine which were screen printed decals NOT digital printed copies, right down to having the small white dot "stipple" which is associated with screen printing. Just because the white layer of vinyl was applied to the cab first and then screen printed on does not discount the fact it is still technically speaking a decal!! These cabs were not screen printed/painted directly onto wood (on top of a base coat) like early Bally/Williams games, for Eg: Space Invaders, etc.
To expand further on this, all digitally printed decals of today start off as a white vinyl "substrate" (in a roll) before going through the ink printing process!

#1703 1 year ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

So true, seems they are worried they loose some kind of street cred if the game has a single scratch or (god forbid) a dimple...

For me part of the hobby is to restore my pins to a state that I like them. Afterwards I can enjoy playing them because I know they will never get as much play as when they were in the field. That keeps my restored game pristine so I can enjoy them so much longer. A restored game gives me more pleasure than a crapp looking game. This BOP was in fairly poor condition but I enjoyed playing it. Now after restoring it I will enjoy it more.

After all the years of collecting, restoring, repairing and playing I found that the following is my game:
- find a reasonable game for a reasonable price
- play it and decide if it fits my collection
- if not, sell it
- if so, start hoarding parts, ramps and plastics are mandatory
- restore the machine to MY standards
- add it to the collection and play it

So far I did this to my TZ, FH and now my BOP is getting the same treatment. Only BTTF has left after restoring.

#1704 1 year ago
Quoted from Mancave:

Technically speaking that is still a decal. I have a NOS set of decals for a Sega Manx twin machine which were screen printed decals NOT digital printed copies, right down to having the small white dot "stipple" which is associated with screen printing. Just because the white layer of vinyl was applied to the cab first and then screen printed on does not discount the fact it is still technically speaking a decal!! These cabs were not screen printed/painted directly onto wood (on top of a base coat) like early Bally/Williams games, for Eg: Space Invaders, etc.
To expand further on this, all digitally printed decals of today start off as a white vinyl "substrate" (in a roll) before going through the ink printing process!

no, its in no way a decal. it is printed directly on the parts, there is no graphic sticker being put down. based on that screened print on a primed cabinet is a decal, because that's exactly what the white layer is on old williams cabinets.

#1705 1 year ago

Decals can look beautiful... and frankly, the proof is in the pudding when you see reactions.

I know everyone restores for different reasons...For me it was about the interaction with my son and the shared experience. We've done it twice, once for BoP and again for Future Spa. I don't think most restorers bother with the level of detail in prep for a decal, or the painstaking work to match the colors on the edges, but it was part of the joy with him.

I brought my restorations to GSPF this past weekend. Obviously, after a year of love put into it with my son, deep full restoration (arguably way over the top, but everything to what I would call finished with my OCD), it was terrifying to bring it to a show! However, the flip side, we wanted to share it, because in our house no one can appreciate how it compares to other BoPs.

I think it was a hit. The icing on the cake was watching people play it and get a kick out of playing a brand new looking/brand new feeling BoP. We also added Scorbit to it and the leaderboard aspects were also pretty fun.

Here's a link where a friend/operator took a video an posted it to Instagram:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxolPTiHOc4/?igshid=1uuxe14lgs2ts

Here are a couple photos:

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#1706 1 year ago
Quoted from jsa:

Decals can look beautiful... and frankly, the proof is in the pudding when you see reactions.
I know everyone restores for different reasons...For me it was about the interaction with my son and the shared experience. We've done it twice, once for BoP and again for Future Spa. I don't think most restorers bother with the level of detail in prep for a decal, or the painstaking work to match the colors on the edges, but it was part of the joy with him.
I brought my restorations to GSPF this past weekend. Obviously, after a year of love put into it with my son, deep full restoration (arguably way over the top, but everything to what I would call finished with my OCD), it was terrifying to bring it to a show! However, the flip side, we wanted to share it, because in our house no one can appreciate how it compares to other BoPs.
I think it was a hit. The icing on the cake was watching people play it and get a kick out of playing a brand new looking/brand new feeling BoP. We also added Scorbit to it and the leaderboard aspects were also pretty fun.
Here's a link where a friend/operator took a video an posted it to Instagram:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BxolPTiHOc4/?igshid=1uuxe14lgs2ts
Here are a couple photos:
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There's nothing wrong with decals. its the option available for a restore.

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#1707 1 year ago

Had some progress last weekend

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#1708 1 year ago
Quoted from HarrieD:

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you're missing the best part of the cabinet, the purple. God the black looks terrible. I don't get why people kill the great art on this game it that.

#1709 1 year ago
Quoted from Marvin:

you're missing the best part of the cabinet, the purple. God the black looks terrible. I don't get why people kill the great art on this game it that.

I respectfully disagree. The purple does look good but not everyone is into purple. I think the black looks classic and especially looks great on the cabinet above. Nice work! I am not a purest and i think it's great when people put their own personality into their games.

#1710 1 year ago
Quoted from Scoot:

I respectfully disagree. The purple does look good but not everyone is into purple. I think the black looks classic and especially looks great on the cabinet above. Nice work! I am not a purest and i think it's great when people put their own personality into their games.

I'm not into purple, but its the one thing that made that cabinet stand out from the systems 11's before it. i know its wpc, an early one, it looks and plays like an 11. and the cab made you think, hey this is new and different. Most, not all 11's were black cabs with some blues thrown in ES, WW...

#1711 1 year ago
Quoted from Marvin:

you're missing the best part of the cabinet, the purple. God the black looks terrible. I don't get why people kill the great art on this game it that.

Yeah, I can relate to your comment but personally I love the black.
The comparison is a bit crooked by the way. With that I mean: I never saw a decent purple cabinet so all purple ones i've seen are bad, faded, dented etc.

There are several reasons I've chosen black over purple:
- for me, black is more beatiful than purple
- black looks better next to my other WPC machines
- my playfield had gotten the blue treatment, black cabinet and head looks better with the playfield.

I understand when someone dislikes my choices but hey, it's my pinball machine.

I am curious on your comment for the technical aspect of my post?

#1712 1 year ago

Progress

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#1713 1 year ago
Quoted from HarrieD:

Yeah, I can relate to your comment but personally I love the black.
The comparison is a bit crooked by the way. With that I mean: I never saw a decent purple cabinet so all purple ones i've seen are bad, faded, dented etc.
There are several reasons I've chosen black over purple:
- for me, black is more beatiful than purple
- black looks better next to my other WPC machines
- my playfield had gotten the blue treatment, black cabinet and head looks better with the playfield.
I understand when someone dislikes my choices but hey, it's my pinball machine.
I am curious on your comment for the technical aspect of my post?

The play field has "the blue treatment" what does that mean blue GI lights?? I hope not, colored GI is never a good choice unless its a programmed mode from the factory.
What do you mean my comment on the technical aspect? Are the decals applied well, looks like it, but if I see a Ferrari that someone has repainted snot green by the best painter in the world it would be a technically good paint job but an aesthetically terrible choice.

#1714 1 year ago
Quoted from HarrieD:

Had some progress last weekend

I love the shine and black color honestly, but it would drive me nuts that the side and front decals don't meet at the edge.
Somewhat less noticeable than it would be if it were purple, b/c color matching purple is hard, but still a distraction.

#1715 1 year ago

Finally joining the club!
Quick question: where can I find the decal that's on top of the helmet?

#1716 1 year ago
Quoted from Marvin:

The play field has "the blue treatment" what does that mean blue GI lights?? I hope not, colored GI is never a good choice unless its a programmed mode from the factory.
What do you mean my comment on the technical aspect? Are the decals applied well, looks like it, but if I see a Ferrari that someone has repainted snot green by the best painter in the world it would be a technically good paint job but an aesthetically terrible choice.

Read it back, some pics were attached.

#1717 1 year ago
Quoted from Marvin:

The play field has "the blue treatment" what does that mean blue GI lights?? I hope not, colored GI is never a good choice unless its a programmed mode from the factory.
What do you mean my comment on the technical aspect? Are the decals applied well, looks like it, but if I see a Ferrari that someone has repainted snot green by the best painter in the world it would be a technically good paint job but an aesthetically terrible choice.

Ferrari painted snot green. Well, until that point I could relate to your comments but now you make a whole wrong comparison. First, a ferrari is a terrible car, second, if you manage to compare a purple/black BOP to a yellow-red-black/snot green car you're way off as far as I'm concerned.

#1718 1 year ago

Here is mine being worked on.

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#1719 1 year ago
Quoted from HarrieD:

Ferrari painted snot green. Well, until that point I could relate to your comments but now you make a whole wrong comparison. First, a ferrari is a terrible car, second, if you manage to compare a purple/black BOP to a yellow-red-black/snot green car you're way off as far as I'm concerned.

some ferraris are good, some are bad, I couldnt care less. The point was a technically excellent, but aesthetically awful paint job is still ugly.

#1720 1 year ago
Quoted from Nihonmasa:

Finally joining the club!
Quick question: where can I find the decal that's on top of the helmet?

Hey there Nihonmasa , welcome to the club!
Here you go
https://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/31-2-50002-1

#1721 1 year ago

Thx Devilsmuse, will look in Europe, being in Switzerland Marco's charging 50$ for shipping the sticker alone...

#1722 1 year ago
Quoted from Elevatorman:

Here is mine being worked on.[quoted image]

I love the 2.0 decals, adds a nice flair to them. I have them for my game too......when I get a chance to work on it. LOL

#1723 1 year ago
Quoted from Elevatorman:

Here is mine being worked on.[quoted image]

Very nice work sir.

#1724 1 year ago

Yes , those BOP 2.0 decals are sweet

#1725 1 year ago
Quoted from Nihonmasa:

Thx Devilsmuse, will look in Europe, being in Switzerland Marco's charging 50$ for shipping the sticker alone...

Hey let me know if you have any luck finding it in Switzerland. If not I will buy the decal and send it to you. Postage from the USA to Switzerland for 1oz. is 1.15 USD.

#1726 1 year ago

Guess which pin was just added to my lineup?

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#1727 1 year ago
Quoted from Scoot:

Guess which pin was just added to my lineup?[quoted image]

Euhm, Funhouse?

#1728 1 year ago

Love the black looks great and nice jobI went black but modified some aspects.
About to do a custom playfield with some subtle changes as well.

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#1729 1 year ago

We had some kind of marriage yesterday evening.

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#1730 1 year ago

Looks very clean, well done! Hoping to do mine in a few months, when the next run of playfields will be here

#1731 1 year ago

My machine just said happy birthday Silvie and played a small tune. Cool...

#1732 1 year ago

Added the head and coindoor last weekend and fired it up for the first time.

GI doesn't work and when I connect the flatcable the CPU doesn't boot up. Attacking the 2 issues:

1. GI doesn't work. Well, the lights in the coindoor do work and the angel eyes I put in the popbumpers also function. Would it, should it??
Yeah, I didn't place any GI leds....

2. CPU locks up when I connect the display. This one got me a headache but was as dumb as number 1 as well. I first tried to reseat the flatcable but that obviously didn't work. Then I studied the schematics but got no conclusion on that either. Then I removed the cpu board and while removing I found my mistake. WPC95 board have 4 headers to connect to peripheral board.
- powerboard
- soundboard
- external I/O
- display
I connected my display to the external I/O in the right upper corner where it should be on the display header. So, connected it to the display header and it worked like a charm.

Leftovers:
- face plates of the head
- helmet needs to be mounted
- apron placement
- start button doesn't function
- trough lighting
- mirror blades don't fit 100%, need to cut some edges
- one lamp isn't functioning, need to address that
- mount some flashers
- connect the speakers. I added a new set with a subwoofer, full range and a tweeter. Need to add the filter to that setup and wire it in.

#1733 1 year ago

Happy birthday mommy!

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#1734 1 year ago

Some new pics.

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#1735 1 year ago
Quoted from HarrieD:

Some new pics

What's the board in your 3rd pic for?

#1736 1 year ago
Quoted from Mancave:

What's the board in your 3rd pic for?

Added my own speaker setup. In the backbox I mounted 1 mid/full range speaker and 1 tweeter. In the cabinet the subwoofer is placed. To get the correct range of frequencies to the different speakers I added a filter. Pic 3 shows that filter which is mounted in the backbox.

#1737 1 year ago

Midrange in the backbox.

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#1738 1 year ago
Quoted from HarrieD:

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WOW is that nice.

#1739 1 year ago

The music is much louder than the voices on the bop I have. So much so I think there may be an issue. Everything sounds as it should, but the voices are very soft. I have reseated the sound roms with no change. Am I looking at replacing resistors on the sound board?

Also I have started to restore the pin and have finished the head. I never realized how purple the side art is.

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#1740 1 year ago

The purple was variable, there were games with purple cabs and near blue heads. The decals you have look too purple, which ones are they?

#1741 1 year ago

My originals on mine are VERY purple, as purple as this... but I took mine out of circulation back in ‘93 and it’s been in a sun-free room ever since. The originals were very vibrant in the day. And without any sun bleaching, they pop just like this.

#1742 1 year ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

My originals on mine are VERY purple, as purple as this... but I took mine out of circulation back in ‘93 and it’s been in a sun-free room ever since. The originals were very vibrant in the day. And without any sun bleaching, they pop just like this.

The originals weren't decals. I'm just curious where those ones came from. PPS next gen, I don't think so they don't look right for those. The new german ones?

#1743 1 year ago
Quoted from Marvin:

The originals weren't decals. I'm just curious where those ones came from. PPS next gen, I don't think so they don't look right for those. The new german ones?

There have been discussions on wether originals were silkscreened on the cabinets, or silkscreened on a substrate and applied to the cabinet. Not sure how a silkscreened cabinet gets wrinkles around the legs without there being a sticker or decal involved, but nobody was supplying aftermarket decals in ‘93 when I bought her, and there are wrinkles on my cabinet at the legs. Not sure when WMS/Bally went to decals but mine is a two owner original, my operator friend who bought it NIB, and me, who bought it from him, neither of us have done anything to the cabinet. I really wish we could find somebody who could clear up the confusion on original Bride cabinet art.

#1744 1 year ago
Quoted from Bublehead:

There have been discussions on wether originals were silkscreened on the cabinets, or silkscreened on a substrate and applied to the cabinet. Not sure how a silkscreened cabinet gets wrinkles around the legs without there being a sticker or decal involved, but nobody was supplying aftermarket decals in ‘93 when I bought her, and there are wrinkles on my cabinet at the legs. Not sure when WMS/Bally went to decals but mine is a two owner original, my operator friend who bought it NIB, and me, who bought it from him, neither of us have done anything to the cabinet. I really wish we could find somebody who could clear up the confusion on original Bride cabinet art.

I can’t help you with your question but the head on my pin was definitely silkscreened directly onto wood, and the bottom cabinet is a decal. My head also looked blue/gray when I got it but as I started to sand it down, bright purple was underneath.

Marvin, I don’t know where the decals came from since it came with the pin I bought, but it also came with a new replacement playfield and the original owner mentioned Germany so who knows?

#1745 1 year ago

The cabs were directly screened. There was a heat pressed white substrate bonded to the wood. The screening too place on that. Over time leg movement would deform that layer.
There's pics somewhere but I'd have to find them.havent found the pics, but here's the reference.
http://www.flippers.be/pinball_cabinets.html

#1746 1 year ago
Quoted from Marvin:

The cabs were directly screened. There was a heat pressed white substrate bonded to the wood. The screening too place on that. Over time leg movement would deform that layer.
There's pics somewhere but I'd have to find them.havent found the pics, but here's the reference.
http://www.flippers.be/pinball_cabinets.html

Great reading . Thanks for the link!

#1747 1 year ago
Quoted from Marvin:

The cabs were directly screened. There was a heat pressed white substrate bonded to the wood. The screening too place on that. Over time leg movement would deform that layer.
There's pics somewhere but I'd have to find them.havent found the pics, but here's the reference.
http://www.flippers.be/pinball_cabinets.html

So can I just sand down the cabinet or will I need a heat gun and scrape he layer off?

#1748 1 year ago
Quoted from Scoot:

So can I just sand down the cabinet or will I need a heat gun and scrape he layer off?

Do you intend to repaint the cab before applying the new decals? If so i would use a heat gun and scrape off the white vinyl layer back to bare wood (may need to use an orange based cleaner to remove the residue also) Then you can patch up any holes if needed and get a nice smooth finish before applying the decals.

#1749 1 year ago
Quoted from Mancave:

Do you intend to repaint the cab before applying the new decals? If so i would use a heat gun and scrape off the white vinyl layer back to bare wood (may need to use an orange based cleaner to remove the residue also) Then you can patch up any holes if needed and get a nice smooth finish before applying the decals.

as a bonus when you heat off the vinyl you'll probably have a really cool ghost image of the graphic on the bare wood.
You can sand or scrape, sanding vinyl probably not going to be a ton of fun. Since this is factory applied vinyl as a primer the bond will be better than a decal and the adhesive is going to be into the wood more from the heat and pressure of the application.

I think Dayhuff had a cool image of this at one time.
actually look at post #1692 in this thread, you can see the same thing.

#1750 1 year ago
Quoted from Scoot:

I can’t help you with your question but the head on my pin was definitely silkscreened directly onto wood, and the bottom cabinet is a decal. My head also looked blue/gray when I got it but as I started to sand it down, bright purple was underneath.
Marvin, I don’t know where the decals came from since it came with the pin I bought, but it also came with a new replacement playfield and the original owner mentioned Germany so who knows?

OK I thought the pic with art was after putting decals in after sanding off the existing art. That's why I was asking. As shown above that cab was not a decal but a screened piece. The german playfield is only a few years old. They are nice but can get some cracking on the inserts. It does not affect play, but it can be seen.

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