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Does anyone know if there is a place to plug in mods on a proc system?
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Bride of Pinbot 2.0
Dutch Pinball, 2014-
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Yeah it just rotates up past 90. Make sure you remove the balls before you go up that high.
There is a hold bar on the right side of the cabinet. It goes to a hole halfway up the playfield. It works in a pinch but I am uncomfortable with it's small contact area and the flex it puts on the playfield.
Generally the first time you put it all the way up make sure it's not going to touch your glass. If it touches throw a towel over the end.
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While the bezel color discussions do not affect me (and I experience the same amount of frustration at the "appearance" of new news that is not new news. I think that any traffic signals to DP that we are still waiting and maybe creates some pressure on them to get this delivered.
It's been a month since "the 'package'" was sent to the US and there has been no follow up. I've been getting some info from Scott but we shouldn't have to bug him to tell us what DP is doing.
DP, how about a f'ing update once in a while?
Here's a thought for the sound lag issues in 1.0. Pinball browser can be used to alter audio files in wpc roms. the work offenders can be extracted from the rom, shifted backwards by a certain amount of milliseconds and the pushed back into the rom. Some of the sounds may lose sounds at the beginning and wont work with this method.
Thoughts?
Edit: I opened the sample "Hi There" in audacity and there are .139 seconds of breath at the start of the sample. Removing this would make the sound much less laggy
Edit 2: don't think I can open the rom in pinball browser since it's pre dmd
Quoted from Snux:Interesting. If you have things back as they were, what effect do the Vol +/- button inside the coin door have. Quality still not good, but just quieter? There is also an option to control overall pinmame volume which can be used on its command line; I just checked and its default is cranked up as high as it'll go. I'm wondering if dropping that down some and dropping the sample rate down (BOP, being pre-DCS, has the same sample rate as Sys11 and doesn't need the high pinmame default) might help. I'll drop a note to DP.
The issue is the volume is not normalized between 1 and 2. Naturally setting the volume for 2 distorts the output for 1. The volume buttons did not have an effect in 1. I'll look into the command line option.
I looked through the command line settings for pinmame and the -volume should work for me. I'm going to install a vnc server on the pc to make it easier to administrate. Once I get that set up I'll mess around with this.
I also found a setting for audio latency -audio_latency. I haven't noticed many patency issues on my setup so I'm not going to mess with that yet
I've started an instruction card. Here are my simplified rules. Any suggestions?
Skillshot: Shoot the lit value for 5X Super Skillshot
Multiball: Shoot ball up shuttle ramp, enable locks in heartbeat ramp, lock balls up shuttle ramp & start multiball
Jackpot: Shoot the shuttle ramp during multiball. 5 jackpots enables Super Jackpot at the scoop
Power Charge: Shoot the scoop during multiball to enable Power Charge. Hold both flippers to score Power Charge and increase bonus
Small Wheel Modes: Shoot the scoop to start a mode
Move Your Shuttle: Shoot the loops left to right
G-Force Challenge: Shoot right loop
Space Station Dock: Shoot the spinner
Fueling Frenzy: Shoot the jets
Return to Base: Shoot the left loop to light Extra Ball
Mission Control: Light rollovers to light Extra Ball
Just finished the alpha test of a stats display on my BOP2. I use a lightweight web server to read the existing database and serve the information.
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Future Pages:
Daily High Scores
Trophys Per Player
Limitations:
This is all it does so far
I am not good at art
The database is specific to the version, Newer releases will require an update to the path to read the db
The timezone appears to be set to dp headquarters, anything that displays a time will need to be adjusted to the local timezone
Several apps need to be installed to make this work.
If you are interested in more info let me know. Since this is a mod to an expensive product I wont be doing any sort of public release. If you are interested in adding this to your machine I can help and share.
I haven't been able to get back there all week. I'm lucky if I can get into the high 20s. Now I have something to strive for. My heartbeat shot is really tight so that slows me down. I have never been great at the scoop shot either so I spend alot of time trying to hit those 2 shots and it is reflected in my recent scores.
I'll catch you soon enough. 
I've had a couple people pm me asking if I recommend buying this kit. Based upon the quality of what's been delivered, the updates delivered since then (beta, etc...) and how fun the gameplay is, the answer is...
Yes, in a heartbeat. I think this is a great add-on that breathes life into this already great game.
I started with the dp recommended settings and turned the master level to what I wanted. I turned down the bass to the mains and turned the sub volume up to get the rumble. I'm ignoring the software volume until the levels are equalized between 1.0 and 2.0
I can attest that the super jackpot is an amazing score! I was able to score the extra ball and a multiball on the first ball. This drove the jackpot up as well as the bonus. Ball 2 was an insta-drain (the extra ball is cursed!) but I had 80% of my score on the first ball.
Now my GC score of 98 mill is on a 3 ball and legit!
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Quoted from awarner:OT: I still have one for sale for $200 shipped/insured to the 48 states and includes lift channel and surround protection. Shipped in original box and was only in my game for 45 minutes. PM to buy.
Thanks,
-Al-
PM Sent
Just played the new version. Like the video mode! Reminds me of the video modes on IJ and STTNG. Getting the mode is pretty deliberate. I was worried about the mode being a momentum killer but you have to work to get there. If you're just playing modes or multis it's unlikely you'll ever get it.
Thanks DP
I just installed the Danesi flipper kit and I love what it does. The install was dead simple although I had to move my button lights out of the way. Video mode is much better without the mechanical flipper noises!
Thanks Scott!
Is anyone having the issue where in the second shuttle multi ball the balls don't release? I posted this on the dp forums but there's been no response.
If I manually release the balls let 2 drain and then hit the scoop to restart it works as expected.
Quoted from TheNoTrashCougar:Thanks for the info, I am going to look into that and see what could be causing it. Please also send this info to [email protected] so we can add it to the list of potential issues. Please also include your version number as I believe you are on v1.102.
Thanks man,
--Scott
Will do Thanks!
P.s. Great work on the flipper mod!
I need some help from fellow BoP owners. I think my mb2 issues are due to the head position switch. I have several of the right switches but what I have installed and what I see online does not match what I see for sale as a replacement (as fa4r as diode position).
Does anyone know if this is a Normally Closed NC or Normally Open NO switch? I would assume NO but if I'm wrong that could cause my problems.
Thanks
ok I'll reflow the pads. I don't see any that look broken but it can't hurt.
I have an additional mystery! I have the original faces but consulting the manual on page 2-24 (#92) it shows the open indents on the backplate as lining up like this
1 Open
2 Open
3 Closed
4 Open
But My Faces are installed like this
1 Open
2 Open
3 Open
4 Closed
Additionally I cannot move the faces to the positions described in the manual because the mounting screws are not in the right spots (but are for the faces as installed).
Does anyone have theirs open and can take a look for me?
I've noticed I'm only rotating in one direction so I think the motor coltroller is the culprit. I'll work on that next and see where I get.
Thanks for the reply and the pic!
So as I read this your setup matches mine
My Faces are installed like this (Counted counter clockwise from mouth)
1 Open Mouth (B)
2 Open Eyes (A)
3 Open Robot (D)
4 Closed Human (C)
The head position seems to be working now although I need to put it through more tests. I ordered a new switch although this one tests fine.
I was able to play pinballnuts BoP2 last night and the MB2 started perfectly so I don't think it's a bug. Right now I am looking at the scoop switch as if I let the balls drain and shoot the scoop in MB2 to restart MB restarts but the scoop does not release the ball.
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Quoted from mayuh:http://www.twitch.tv/flippart/v/17547513 at the 56 minute mark... Sorry I played so bad and gave up pretty quick... 2.0 is way more attractive
Btw, I think of redoing my cabinet for 2.0. What do you think of this design?image.jpg image_1.jpg
it's awesome. I would buy a set if you made them available
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I had some issues with the shutdown controller/belkin combo. What I wanted to do was insure that the strip stayed on until I could guarantee the pc was off. In the end I used the display as the master on the belkin as it has the most robust power saver and is the most dependable. It also gives me a delay from when the pc turns off as well. I haven't had any issues since.
I was having serious face issues that were switch related. The moving face triggered an eye switch and prevented the 2nd multiball from working.
here's how I found it:
Start a game
Enter settings and enable switch test
Have someone video the screen while you play
Watch for switches that trigger or not
Quoted from NinJaBooT:I've been working on a few things on my BOP. The apron drives me crazy how bad it clashes with the rest of the game. I think this really compliments the game. I'm having them printed on magnets or decals for easy installation and removal. The magnets are slick!
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Put me down for one of these. That is slick
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Quoted from nwpinball:What is the best solution for the helmet's lights with the 2.0 kit? I have LEDs in there, their lighting and patterns seem sorta random now. I know the kit doesn't control them, but I'd like for something better to be happening with them.
If you are having helmet light issues in BoP2 please look at the dp forums. I fixed an issue and posted videos of the behavior
Ok I'll summarize here as I found the post but it only had the solution.
In BoP2 an update made the helmet lamps go from a recognizable pattern to random. I was able to verify it was not the helmet or the bulbs by trying those in a different BoP2.
Here's the lights in action:
I replaced Q24 and Q26 on the driver board and this fixed the problem. These are the Helmet Lights Clock Port and Data Port respectively. My theory is the update reduced the voltage to the bulbs for LEDs and this caused the 30+ year old transistors to have problems.
Here is a video of it fixed:
and again with LEDs
HTH
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Quoted from kettchxxii:Got a good one for you guys... It seems now when I drop from the first multiball down to single ball in 2.0 the head only goes partially back from the first face. Worked perfectly till now. I don't have the pan to catch loose balls so its a game ender.
Switching back and forth from 2.0 to 1.0 to 2.0 resets the head. It moves to the 1st face just fine at the start of the MB, but never makes it all the way back to the 3rd face. Re-solder and check connections? I do have the a NIB relay I can swap in as well...
In 2.0 you can have switch test while playing. I had an issue where amn eyeball switch was triggered when the face turned. Playing in switch test made it easy to see it happening
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Quoted from burningman:I hate these types of issues. Here is shot of where I am dealing with a stuck ball.
I have already snugged the gate bracket as close as I can on the top of the starpost..... If I bend the gate up enough for the ball to roll down the sling, the ball can sneak under the gate and back down the shooter lane. If I put a larger rubber on the sling it creates a deeper well for the ball to hang up in. considered relocating the starpost, considered drilling the gate bracket to snug it up to the starpost, and also thought of just making a new gate wire. Whats my best option?ball_stuck_(resized).JPG
I think I'd prefer the shooter lane to this. Sneaking down the shooter lane is a common problem and on mine is probably why I never get caught up here.
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Quoted from megalo17:Could use some help. My BOP 2.0 is losing balls about every game after they drain. I've checked my trough switches and they all register. Once the ball drains she still thinks they're in play. This doesn't happen with every ball, but I can rarely get through a whole game. I never had this issue before installing 2.0, but it could be an intermittent switch fault? Anyone else seen this?
You can leave switch test on while you play. Start a game. Go into settings and start switch test. Let the balls drain. You'll see the switches register on the screen. It might be easier to record the screen so you can play it back.
You might have a playfield switch that is stuck as well. And this will help eliminate that.
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Quoted from Shapeshifter:How did you do that?
Is there a volume switch on the pc?
I hooked up an external monitor, keyboard and mouse to the pc. Use escape to close the game and use the volume control panel to reduce the volume. Reboot to re-enter the game.
Quoted from Shapeshifter:Thanks - are there any links to photos/instructions/videos on how to do this? Sounds complicated! Couldn't find anything on DP website.
No I just did it with my pc experience. It's just a windows pc and works the same as all the others. It just has a startup item that runs the game.
Here's the instructions for getting in and out of windows while it is running: http://www.dutchpinball.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44
Quoted from Shapeshifter:Maybe 25% ? !
Decided easier option is to take panel off so only need to connect mouse and keyboard - would a regular wireless keyboard and mouse work?
They might work if they use the standard drivers. While you're in there put the machine on wifi so you can you the live score site
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I would think an unrestored BoP2 would start at 4k. 7.5 doesn't sound unreasonable for a restored model. But like all collectors pieces it will wait for the right buyer.
Selling it at a show is probably the best option to get top dollar
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Quoted from Fourbyracer:I too put my deposit down, on May 7th to be exact. In June I was told "We just got another shipment of parts in today and are only waiting on software and speakers yet so anytime we will begin build out." Its been 2 more months, I would hope they had gotten the parts by now....
Anyway, since then, I have lost the main board on my BOP (acid damage and it affected 1 column of switches). I have heard that 2.0 replaces that board. Can someone confirm that for me? No reason to get a new one if I wont use it with 2.0. The board would probably be an easy fix for someone who works on them since I can see where the damage is on one chip, but dont know if I need to.
Yes that board get's replaced. I can fix that one for you. I just did another BoP with similar damage. Send me a PM if you want more info.
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Quoted from mollyspub:Cant believe you waited that long! I was on the first batch like you and I couldn't wait to get mine installed. Had they offered the prototype earlier, I probably would have gotten one. Nice pick up!
I've kept busy with a bunch of projects so it wasn't too hard. It will make a nice winter project
Quoted from jsa:I'm curious, has any BoP 2.0 owners modified an original speaker panel (with original artwork) to accommodate the BoP 2.0 screen instead of installing the DP one?
I used the purple alternative panel offered here on pinside. I also only used the dp branded items on the right (flipper bat too)70c6ca7ec249421f0db753733799716f2b9740c7 (resized).jpg
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I had a problem with helmet lamps in a friend's BoP 2. I replaced the 2 transistors on the driver board that control the lamps and it corrected it. There is a thread on this on the dp site.
The theory was the transistors had aged and weren't triggering correctly of triggering too slowly
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Quoted from mayuh:Is anyone interested in a tutorial/PDF/instructions kinda thing on how to add a Lightshow (backboard) and shaker Arduino based mod to BoP2.0? If so, I will document my build and share it here. Costs for parts is around $120 (ymmv, depending what you already have around and what sources you have).
Goals are:
LEDs ws2812b, fading blue to violet and back, plus some light show depending where the ball hits switches (just like Rudy following the ball), shakermotor driven by the flashers and head motor.
Should be easy to build... and if I can do it, everyone can
YES! I would be very interested
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Quoted from BobT:...just received my BOP 2.0 from the shipper and none of the switches operate. Is there a fuse or cable, or ? HELP!
The mpu has the same form factor and location as a wpc board. Check the switch connectors on that board and make sure the USB cable from that board to the pc is connected
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Quoted from mayuh:plus (what I still need) the controller from awarner that shuts off the flippers during videomode. Can I order them still?
I ordered a couple from notrashcouger (danesidesigns.com) not too long ago. I put one in CCC as well.
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Quoted from nonik:Anybody happened this in her BOP2.0?
The head lights are crazy! not have a good secuence.
same of this video:
» YouTube video
I have the same problem im my bop ...
what can i do?
Thanks in advance.
I have fixed this issue in a friend's bop2. There are 2 drive transistors (q24&q26) that control the helmet lamps data and clock. Replacing both of these fixed it.
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Quoted from pin-pimp:my 2.0 is working after 2 years of frustration. thanks to some help from Eric N in cali.
I got 0 help from dutch and it ended up costing me a little over $300 to get it going.
from the beginning my set up continued to freeze up and shut down. never played a whole game once.
i send the kit to Eric to test out in his working bride. after lots of testing he came to the conclusion
that the gigabyte had fatal errors. I bought a new one from amazon with larger hard drive and more ram.
and send it to him. He managed to get software transferred over, updated and working.
I used the excellent video tutorial from awarner to transfer the content from the original drive to the new larger drive.
I also advised him to keep the old pc to maintain the license since the pc has the bally williams sticker on it.
Quoted from nwpinball:You also have remember there are really not a lot of these around, I think the two Dutch Pinball runs were each 25, I can't imagine the Cointaker/Nitro run was more than 50. So 100 kits out there, probably only 50-75 of them installed.
25% never got installed or was left after not working right sounds spot on.
I have personally had my hand in 3 of these that didn't work right out of the box
Quoted from Cheeks:My game works fine now, but what should I be doing (if anything) to ensure it doesn't crap out on me down the line with no recourse? Should I be upgrading or backing up the computer? Other things?
Buy a new larger hard drive and clone your existing drive to it.
Put the original drive in secure storage and use the larger drive in your game.
Al's instructions here:
Quoted from nwpinball:I need to do this at some point. So question, why use a larger drive and not just clone the drive and save it as back up as recommended in the video? Is the current drive close to full and it will run better with a bigger drive?
The existing drive is almost full @ 30GB. If you ever have any driver or other software issues and have to update you will run out space very quickly. Also as awarner said, 30GB is hard to find.
I like to give windows plenty of room to be it's bloated old self.
Quoted from jsa:There are definitely programs out there to resize partitions without formatting. If you're restoring to the new drive, with a partition the same size as your backup, there will be an unused section of your hard drive. At this point, you could expand the smaller partition into the additional space. Kind of a pain, takes forever, but it should work.
This is what I did. Didn't take long at all
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I use a different setup with an autosensing power strip.
The PC is plugged into always on power
The Monitor is plugged into the master outlet
The amp is plugged into the controlled outlet
On mine shutdown goes like this
I turn off the machine power at the switch
PC starts shutdown
PC completes shutdown and turns off
Monitor goes into power saving
Power strip senses the monitor is off and turns off amp
If the pc is not shutting down we need to find out why the startup/shutdown controller is not working
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Quoted from nwpinball:Saturday night I noticed some strange behavior in my Bride 2.0. Occasionally on a new ball, the lights aren't lighting up on the skill shot values. It seemed pretty random when it would happen. It would happen for one ball and then be back fine on the next. Any idea what would cause this?
2.0 will let you play while in switch test. Put it in switch test before you start playing and see if anything comes up that shouldn't be happening. 2.0 seems to be switch sensitive in some areas
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Quoted from wierdeer:Bought new computer after I fried old computer...switched ssd then installed now I got bootlooping on start up.. I read that someone else had same problem,anyone know the fix? Says gygabyte then starting bride of pinbot 2.0 then reboots
Did you set the bios settings?
Quoted from wierdeer:I did not..how do you go about that?
See if these instructions are correct for your computer: http://www.dutchpinball.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=42
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