probably won't get bond flying the jetpack on the pro

I'm excited. It looks really cool! Art isn't the best thing in the world but I can deal with that

It does!

Jetpack seems cool like the helicopter in rescue 911 or the wand in pinball magic. He flys over and it looks like you want to try to drop the ball on that target on the dragon tank from dr no

Never played Aerosmith? Pro is wayyy better, IMO

I've been saying this ever since George said he was designing the "cornerstone" version and that there would be a special surprise. I still think it makes the most sense, Keith designing another all original bond game would be shocking but not out of the realm of possibility. Lets not forget that this launch should technically be game 3 for the year yet its only game 2. If Elwin is making a special made to order version it would definitely shake things up!

Venom was supposed to be next. Stern decided to stop new game production in order to get caught up with back orders.

As opposed to what source of yours?

I literally see it constantly at my local pub. I explain to people that these are new games and their mind is blown. The LCD means nothing to them. The only game that sometimes people make a connection to being new is Mandalorian and even then they don't connect the fact that the other games have the same tech.

Word on the street is the rumored Elwin's Bond 60th special edition is a street level game, no ramps. Why would they waste Elwin on a retheme?

Very possibly. I didn't think of the classic retheme/reimagining angle but thats certainly a possibility. Yes, it'll be expensive lol

These games are supposedly going to be made to order too and dealers set the price so I'm sure it'll take a certain clientele to buy these games.

My original guess what that it would be a home model, got a lot of laughs from doubters but it made sense to me. I kinda doubt that theory now although it still makes more sense to me than a super LE

Yes I saw Cary Hardy talking about that. It looks to me like the same mech thats used on Deadpool. It just lets the ball pass through it or not.

I want to know if the rocket moves and what the scuba bond thing does. Ugh this wait is driving me crazy. We saw leaked mando pics a day early and it wasn't a huge deal, see bond pics a day early and all hell has broken loose. I still don't buy the respect for the queen story, at least not fully.

Man this game looks awesome. I gotta say, the playfield art really isn't that bad either. I think we gave the art a lot more grief than it deserved. Did anyone happen to grab some high rez pics of the premium playfield before they got taken down?

Its not odd at all, its been discussed in length multiple times over. Most likely have to drop the ball on the target with the jetpack

HAHAHAHA HAS ANYONE NOTICED THE ROCKET LOOKS LIKE A PENIS!???

Yes, Austin Powers did that joke ages ago...

COPE and SEETHE

Its an entirely different game

The more I think about it, the more disgusted and disapointed I am with this insane price increase. Last years price increases took us to crazy town, another $700 for premiums is just a slap in the face. Look, I get it, these are toys for rich dudes. Guys like me have no business even being in this hobby, but give us a damn chance. I know the supply chain issues, I know everything is more expensive including labor, I know inflation, but really? I've been saving up my spare money for over 2 years now hoping to buy a premium and it slips further and further away every day. There was no reason for this huge price increase other than pure greed. Pro, with the small increase, thank you I guess. Keep operators kinda happy. LE price increase...kinda hurts but LE's are for fuck you money guys anyway and it cuts out the flippers more. Premium another $700? GTFO

The worst part is OK now you want to buy a used game but suddenly everyone's used pro's and premiums have increased in cost the same amount. Theres no winning. Get more and more discouraged with this hobby every day. I was around in the dark times, sad I can't stay for the good.

Edit- btw I think the game looks great and will be awesome. Would love to own one. I also understand theres a near endless amount of guys more than willing to pay the price, so why should they care. Just sour grapes from me I guess.

Sad but true and I can't even blame them

I'm not ruling out a pro, but I can't even afford one of those at the moment and the price for those (since the last price increase) seems outrageous for what you get. I managed to pull enough funds together to get a DP pro a few years ago and it was 5500. Now if I wanted that same game its 7000. At what point do I just have to throw in the towel? I think we're past it now. Even 7000 goes a looooong way on a lot of other fun things, or even not so fun things like unexpected medical bills, car break downs, ect. I'm selling off my retro game collection piece by piece to fund games as well as letting go of a few pins from my collection, but I'm just worried that by the time I have reached my monetary goals what will the prices be!? Again, just sour grapes from me. I've been working a long time to try and reach my goal and it keeps getting moved back further and further.

This is mainly what I do now and it brings me great joy. I'm lucky to have a place close by that has the latest titles and in good shape and are usually premiums, but also due to the high price of games the operator has made games $1.50 a play, no matches, and no replays. Kinda sucks a lot of the fun out of that escape even.

I'm sorry, but $700 increase between 2 titles I'm not buying it, $1700 in between late 2021 and now. Thats not rising costs and inflation, thats doing it because they can. Don't get me wrong, I don't necessarily blame them, why wouldn't they do this? Theres zero shortage of buyers. Just weird that when other companies do it (pharma, car sales, you name it) its fine to call it out, but pinball companies? No, we have to clutch the pearls. Your point is still valid though, and you're right that if pinside ran the companies they'd be out of business fast. A lot of companies out here making record profits the last couple years, I bet Stern is on that list.

I've sold 2 of the 5 games I own already, I'm trying! Older games on the aftermarket are so crazy thats why I bought a NIB in 2020, it was damn near the same price or cheaper! I'm just not interested in $3000 Street Fighter 2's or sinking hundreds upon hundreds of dollars into old games constantly tracking down the next thing thats gonna break, plus, and I understand this is blasphemy but I just had to keep it real with myself I don't like older games for the most part.

Oh believe me, I know prices for everything are going up up up. I handle all that stuff at my job as well. Everything is going up except my paycheck. $700 more dollars for a premium? no. Maybe another 100, or tack on a even more to the LE's.

Anyway, I get it. Shits expensive. I'm just disappointed, thats all. 2+ years of selling off beloved items, doing side jobs, saving where I can and the goal post is further than ever. I feel better after ranting, so I'm done now lol. Back to the grind. Maybe I should spend my pinball money on a vacation or stocks anyway

I think the pro version of this game is fine. Unlike a lot of other pro's, all the features are still in the game. You miss out on the jetpack bond, which admittedly is a cool mech, but does it really do a whole lot and does it get old after a while just slowing down the game? You also miss out on the underwater fight, which again is kind of cool but it doesn't seem like it actually does anything like interact with the ball. Then theres the physical ball lock. Those aren't huge losses and little to no impact on the gameplay. All the shots and modes and everything are still in the game and theres a lot of features on every version of the game. Yeah I would prefer a premium probably but getting the pro I don't think would impact the game play experience at all. To say the pro is stripped or barren is just flat out wrong.

It doesn't bother me in the slightest

He claims he did no art for a CGC pulp fiction. Pulp Fiction is coming from Raw Thrills though....so it could be a little twist on the truth. Excited to find out

Baby yoda is the dumbest "toy" in recent memory and yes its a huge missed opportunity. I hate getting the child in mando, its often misses and sends the ball toward the right outlane, the awards aren't very good, and theres absolutely no "magic" to the mech, it just stops and slows down the game. Come to think of it, I hate pretty much all the toys in Mando, especially on the premium.

Are the bond movies back on amazon prime? I was watching them, got to the end of thunderball, and then they all turned to rental only.

Nice! I started watching in August, but then Sept. rolled around and they went away. Must be back again for October. Streaming is an odd beast. Anyway, I'm happy I can get back to where I left off. So far, Goldfinger was by far my favorite. Thunderball maybe my least favorite...I know thats a hot take. Dr. No is probably worse than Thunderball was, but Dr. No gets cut more slack because it was the first one.

Don't sleep on the Dalton movies. They are like wild 80's action flicks but with James Bond. They were snubbed for a long time but they are finally gaining some respect.

Austin Powers did the rocket looks like a dick joke way before pinside ever did!

I finally finished up You Only Live Twice over the weekend. It was pretty good. Probably my second favorite out of the Connery movies, but Goldfinger is still the runaway favorite for me (still have to watch diamonds are forever).

Watched "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" last night. Lazenby did a fine job being Bond. Kind of wish we got 1 or 2 more films from him. I liked it. I think Goldfinger is still my favorite but Secret Service has moved into second place for me so far.

I saw a lot of them on TV when I was a kid, but I remember very little about them.

Speaking of, I watched Diamonds are Forever last night... Wow what a cheesy, nonsensical, absurd, movie full of bad acting and dumb scenes......I loved it! It was easily one of the most fun times I've had watching a Bond movie so far. It might be my favorite one so far. Nah...its probably still Goldfinger but its close. Diamonds are Forever is great!

I made it to the Roger Moore era last night and watched Live and Let Die. It was OK. Diamonds are forever was better/more fun though. I know I saw most of the Moore Bonds when I was a kid but I didn't remember any of this one (other than the theme song of course). The Blaxploitation angle was interesting I guess. I do enjoy how the Bond movies kind of take on whatever is in pop culture at the time. I like the boat jump stunts too but the boat scenes just went on for way too long.

JFC... I hated that guy lol. N'orleans was interesting and 70's Harlem was neat too. Bond trying to play it cool while being a complete fish out of water was a nice touch. Man, I haven't watched this many movies in such a short period of time since I was a teenager.

Lol exactly the kind of thing I loved about Diamonds are Forever. It was just full of dumb stuff that made it fun. I liked when he was on the moon buggy and you can clearly see the axles are bent as fuck, and then a car rolls over and the freakin tire from the buggy must have broke off because its rolling right across the middle of the screen and the very next scene the moon buggy is still just driving around like its in great shape. WE CAN'T ROLL THE CAR OVER AGAIN JUST PUT IT IN THE MOVIE THEY'LL NEVER NOTICE

Our opinions on the movies differ but I like seeing the other guys takes who are also watching for the first time/revisiting after a while just like I am doing!

Watched Golden Gun and Spy Who Loved me. Both Decent. Golden Gun was fun. I'm quickly learning that I like silly bond more than serious bond. Seems like the movies that get hated on more by critics are the ones I tend to enjoy more.

Lol I didn't but I'm already well aware of the pigeon double take lol and I am prepared for it. I will say the Sheriff Pepper part in golden gun got offset by the absurdity that they are in Bangkok but he was at an AMC dealership and then Bond steals a junk AMC to chase Scaramanga in his junk AMC. Like I'm sure it was some sort of sponsorship or brand deal (like how there was all these Ford cars in the other movies) but really...American Motor Company cars that were already a small company in the US but they have a dealership in Bangkok. Ridiculous and I loved it.

lol I didn't even notice that because I was too busy checking out all the "pimp mobiles"

I wonder if they will do a surprise reveal of the Elwin game on the deadflip stream

gomez even mentioned in the insider podcast that there was no real gameplay differences between the pro and premium. The extra features in the premium have a bit of wow factor, no doubt, but I am willing to bet as a players game the pro is the way to go, especially at the price difference.

I have no doubt it'll be neat. I mean it IS neat. But really do I need the jetpack modes slowing down my gameplay? Especially when you consider how insanely they jacked up the price on the premiums, is it REALLLY worth all that extra? Is controlling the jetpack going to be as cool and magical on the 300th play as it was in the first couple dozen plays or are you going to be ready to just move on and keep playing the game?

Thats fine though, I wish all the games were designed like this. I'd rather not have a somewhat drastic difference in gameplay between the models

Goldfinger is by far the best song of the Connery era imo

Diamonds is the 2nd best imo but also an excellent choice. Shirley Bassey is great!

I actually just watched Moonraker the other night, but I wasn't a huge fan of the song

It doesn't bother me if they are tied together, but it is eyebrow raising....

I just figured he meant the ball moves a lot/is in the pops a lot for only having 2 pops, which is also true. That statement doesn't lead me to believe that he was saying they were tied together, but thats just my opinion. Also I think they were playing the premium on deadflip so from what we're hearing here, that version has independent pops anyway.

Oh crap, you're right. That just doesn't make any sense. Why not have them tied together on all 3 models if they are going to do it at all?

Yep that does make sense

It is a popular theme, horrible game. I agree though, I think the circumstances surrounding it rule it out for a vault much to Stern's chagrin. Stern knows they'd sell a ton of them. Whatever though, it can just be a sucker with too much money's game like BTTF

Defense Lawyer: "Now ya honah, I might be just a lowly southern lawya, but as you can plainly see...there is no copyright logo on this heah art. Tharefoa, it seems to me that these would be royalty free."

*a gasp in the court*

*the prosecution slinks into their chairs...defeated"

Judge: "Well, this seems to be a most ironclad argument. No need for further proceedings. I find the defendant NOT GUILTY!"

lol its not even very elaborate. I'd argue its one of their least elaborate. Some molded plastic, and LCD screen, and a mirror. wowwwwzers. Topper prices ain't coming down either. If they are having zero trouble selling $2000 toppers for a mediocre (at best) game like mando, why would they ever lower the price?

I guess I just don't count "extra software modes" as elaborate. I just consider them bullshit. JP topper had that too though if I'm not mistaken.

I love a good BBC marathon. Reminds me of that missile thats in the corner of that James Bond pinball!

We got one at my local watering hole on the wed before thanksgiving. I've put numerous games on it by now plus what I played at chicago expo. So far...layout is ok. Some things I like, some are kind of clunky. Code is very very basic right now. Has potential to turn into something worthwhile, but as of right now its just ok but not mind blowing. Art looks much better in person as I said. Translite choice is still baffling. I've already witnessed numerous casual folks expressing confusion over it

Can confirm the local Bond has the same issue with a slight hangup from the inlane post. I assume its a common issue but yeah very easy to nudge it free

Is the playfield multiplier coded in yet? I have built it up a bunch of times, and it says on the screen to hit the action button to start multiplier, except the action button is never lit up and hitting it seemingly does nothing.

Yeah I've gotten 1x-5x multiple times, but its definitely never triggered. No flashing action button, nothing when you press the action button, no sounds or screen notifications, and scoring seemed all the same. must not be in the game yet, which is too bad because I'd have way better scores lol, plus I haven't exactly pieced together how its supposed to work just yet since it seems more complicated than multiplier systems we've seen in the past

How can a tilt bob be stock? They don't come installed, so it stands to reason that every single one that is set up is set up slightly differently

If we really want to give Stern the benefit of the doubt, they didn't do it for cost saving as much as they did to preserve their hard to come by node board supply right now...

Sorry man I wasn't trying to be snarky at all, I was just trying to understand. I went back and re-read your comment and now I understand what you were saying, I was just confused because I thought you meant that the newer games came stock with a more forgiving position on the tilt bob

Haven't seen it on my local one. I wonder if the pad thats supposed to be under the roof fell off or wasn't installed at the factory

Probably a close second to the amount of people who think the game is called "Dr. No"

If you're ever at the point on a game where you need to rebuild a pop bumper, you should be rebuilding all the pop bumpers anyway. Again, a non issue

I've played the premium. I didn't even notice the pops being different than on the pro. Didn't know it was even a thing until it was brought up here.

FYI for anyone experiencing problems with the Aston Martin dropping balls down the outlane/shooter lane instead of into the habitrail. We were occasionally having this problem on the game at my local watering hole. I was tasked with getting the game ready for a tournament the next day. I simply bumped the coil power up from 16 (stock) to 18 and it seems to have completely cured the issue.

I pretty much agree with everything you said, but this skill shot IS programmed into the game. Its 1 of the 3 that I've seen so far and I believe are programmed in. If it didn't award it to you that is indeed strange but I can confirm that shot normally works.

I own a rescue 911 simply because it was dirt cheap and its not worth anything to sell (my particular example) and I kind of just ignored it for a long time. I will say, it's not a good game, but it is a decent game. Once I have it a chance it was better than I thought. Its kinda fun in its own quirky way. Nobody is going to mistake it for godzilla, but it's ok lol. The heli is a cool mech but it's also over used in the game and after a while it's just something slowing you down. I hope bond on the wand doesn't end up the same way.