Let's be real here, a pretty big percentage of LE buyers are looking for the FLIP and know that while it's not really justified over the Premium, people are paying over that on the secondary market all day long.

So the LE price IS worth it based on the market history on LE's. This is just knocking out some of the flippers and those that usually buy the LE's from the flippers can now get them from a dealer.

That being said, LE's ARE NOT FOR ME. I don't need to impress anyone with dress up items in this hobby anymore lol. Prices are just ridiculous and out of control in my humble opinion.

I would say. The TNA re-release is officially called the TNA Remake CE. So that green triangle on the map should be a pink star.

Too much leg work and risk for such a small profit as well with Stern cutting into the margin. Much easier ways to make and guaranteed profit, an extra day or two at work for example...

I’m thinking 007 and Stranger Things would make for a fantastic 2-pin lineup. One pin you’re shooting an anus, and the other a dildo. Match made in heaven

It will be one of the most expensive pins Stern will ever release. My guess is it will be Goldfinger with real 24karat gold flake

With talking about the game and not the LE and price hike, honestly the game doesn't have much for toys (how many times have we said this about Sterns) and I personally don't see how the Premium is worth it over the Pro to me in my collection. I think the Pro is the best bang for the buck and the $2600 worth of "upgrades" is kind of weak.

If you had bought the exact same premiums, you could afford this LE

Sad thing really is that most people will never get to play one.

I thought we came to the conclusion that it resembled a vagina and not an anus-I could be totally wrong

I'm battling with this same decision. I'm in for a premium, but that pro looks like it will play quick. I hope the jetpack bond doesn't slow everything down too much. Tough call for me.

Is it too much work? You just need a 3x3 floor space to store the game in box. Then when someone wants it, they come pick it up and hand you cash. It's practically zero effort to flip an LE. The only hard part is coming up with the cash for it. Sure, you can make profit in less time buying/repairing/selling used games, but you will likely need to do a lot of leg work, chasing messages/calls, gas, labor, etc.

Man I just told my wife "Tough titties" when I told her I ordered a new pinball machine, now Im in hell

The above statement in quotations is credit to crazy levi.

I guess part of the strategy is to help Stern make up for the loss of LE's sales from skipping a release. Ya gotta figure $1500 (the price increase) x 1000 is a cool $1.5M. The normal mark up over a premium was $1500.

So the extra $1500 basically makes them whole from the LE's they skipped.

Right. But have you watched the Stern 007 video? It appears to be 1/2 a missile on a spring

Nothing in pinball is really “worth it” Law, but all those LEs for $7-9k now selling for twice that?

Now 1,000 LEs at $14k with shipping and tax?

Maybe I should sell all my pins and just buy a Bond Aston Martin

I think they are up against the ceiling as JJP found out.

Just watched it. I see what you are saying but if they stall the sequence and add sounds and lighting-could be cool. Alright I am just going to say that after watching the video that jetpack looks super cheesy. The little plastic figurine under window is cute. Seriously wondering if Gomez rushed this one out taking over for Steve. Usually Gomez has cool mechs-but I am just not seeing it on this table. Hoping Dwight's ruleset will save this game and peak my interest.

I am all sold out of my LE allotment, Thank you to our customers that got in and were able to secure a spot with us.
We sold quite a few to first time buyers which was our goal with the first come first serve model.
We greatly appreciate all of your business
Edit - looking at the orders - our LE allotment was gone in about 4 minutes, that beat our RUSH sellout by 3 minutes!

By work I mean :

stressing over a successful damage free delivery
risk that the profit margin doesn't decrease while waiting on a potential buyer
tying up potential earning cash on a potential speculation
rounding up a reputable buyer
performing a successful cash transfer

I guess I'm just not the flipper type or of that mindset. I guess if your tying up hundreds of thousands in multiple buys it would make some sense as a volume flip, but the one off, nah... The silver lining, at these prices, there will be less interested in the flipping scheme

Yeah.. I agree... people are backing out just based on price. It will sell, but only because of the theme and it looks like a top game. If it wasn't for both of those... this one might not move (see TS4).

That's a cool chart but I think you should cut out the Multimorphic modules. Those aren't playable as-is so they can't really be compared to working pins, and cutting off everything below $5000 will give the chart more space.

Couldn't agree more. Decided to go RushLE for the expression lighting and the price justified the goodies. With Bond, the LE doesn't justify the price hike. Fortunately, I love my current collection and after this Premium purchase, I'm going to be on the sidelines for awhile. At the end of the day, the tech in these games is starting to get long in the tooth. Bond on a wand looks hoaky, to be honest. Much of the excitement seems to revolve around the license...

TS4 does move on secondary market at 13k. I’m not sure it’s a coincidence that’s what Stern set the LE at.

The unfortunate part is that NIB LE prices partially drive secondary market prices for other LE titles. So instead of the MSRP floor being $11k GZLE/$12.5k GnRCE, we are now at $13k BondLE/$15k TS4CE. This is only going to keep pulling up the secondary prices.

That's great you also think of first time buyers! And on posting here as well!

Disagree. There are always going to be flippers but there isn’t enough volume to make it that worthwhile. It’s not like you’re going to get 5 to flip.

Most LE buyers want an LE because it’s a game that resonates with them and one they think will be in their collections long term. In each case for my Stern LEs I greatly preferred the LE art package and didn’t mind the extra premium. Munsters was the only LE I passed on because I didn’t like the art.

Reminds me of the great last line of season one of Barry -- "Starting . . . now!"

I bet TS4 doesn’t age as well as Bond.

That being said, I’ll play both on location - msrp is just ridiculous.

Will wait to play the Pro but for now I am out

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Stern loves Pinheads!

They've passed the 2022 Cost of Doing Business onto the Collector/Flipper market. Those dudes typically have loads of $$$ anyway and aren't going to put 4,000 plays on their machine.

IMO Pros at $7,000 is a modest increase in pricing considering skyrocketing costs/prices everywhere.

Pro is the way to go.

Well you know where to plan your visit to dulles then

This. My gut tells me the days of buying LE's as a can't miss flip or play and make 1-2k are rapidly coming to an end.

At these price points, depending on title and popularity, they may or may not hold their value. If Bond turns out to be an average game, with tough economic times ahead, LE's might be had for 10-11k in the not too distant future.

I'm actually leaning Pro - I love the Bond on a wand but questioning if it's worth the $2600...

Oscelot!!

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George said the mode is pretty awesome with launch sounds, sirens and lighting effects. Integrated with shaker no doubt could be cool. It is too bad it couldn’t rise out of PF until it almost touched glass

Ok PinMonk or whoever does the powder coat mock ups. I need pics of different powder coats on the premium! I do like that LE armor a lot, dunno if they color would go perfectly though

Where was this stated? Is Mike assisting like Stranger Things. If not then Im out.

I'm a big fan of the theme and those movies in particular, but the playfield looks pretty sparse to me, especially at that price.

you had me at vagina and penis..

It’s just Mike and George on the podcast about the game.

I'm surprised, the Premium features seem kinda weak. I think I'm just not the demographic. The toys seem like cool toys from the 1960's but in 2022 they just seem super lame. The jet pack is just slow and unimpressive and that underwater scene is pointless. The wire ramp and physical ball look is nice but not for that price.

Wish it had a rotating base to give you some crazy ball spin action.

The thing is, people trying to resell other recent premiums are taking a "decent" hit in the wallet unless it's Godzilla. I've seen Mando Premiums sitting at $7800. A lot of making people (I speak for myself here) is knowing I'm not (most likely) going to throw $2K out the window just to be the first owner.

I usually go for Prem/LE because I've genuinely liked most of the Premium gameplay add ons in past games from the big (LZ, Munsters, BKSOR) to the small (Deadpool, Maiden). But I'm just not seeing it here and am going with a Pro. Hell, I feel like I should be paying more just to avoid that Bond on a wand. That thing looks like it's gonna be tedious.

I think you have your demographics mixed up. Genx are the ones spending money now for toys.

Yeah, rush LE is gorgeous AND came with expression lighting AND foil art...and was $1500 less. This LE looks great and I'm a huge Connery fan, so I'll whip out the lube and take it, but damn...Throw us a bone here. Honestly, powder coating the premium and getting a custom backglass is probably the way to go.

Also, would stern please get off their arse and release expression lights for my Rush premium?

You should tell your wife to get that checked out bud.

It's a 2 hour round trip for me... but I'm coming!

yeah, I was just thinking about my X-MEN LE, when you texted this..There's a LOT of spinning magnet fun on xmen..I love magnets (but not on all machines, of course). Would be neat if the rocket itself was a magnet/ball-lock -the balls would eventually stick to it, then the rocket spins them off..just a quick thought on that.

Any idea when they are going to stream this game?? Bond on a wand looks really slow and unimpressive. Also the wiggling missile looks meh. I’m in for a premium right now but I’m really leaning towards a pro or getting out.