Let's just agree that both games toys suck and move on.

Both games have about 70 people with it on there wish list. Neither game is exactly setting the world on fire with sales.

I approached this game for the first time with an open mind and was looking forward to playing it. It just falls flat for me. Maybe that opinion will change when it's complete, but I'm not counting on that. Add in the price and there's just not anything that resembles value there.

Stern needs to seriously step it up. GB was a step forward with new stuff even though I don't like the game. Got to give JT credit for mixing it up. Borg and Ritchie seem to be in a rut to me. Im not paying a premium for anything stern does just because they slap some star wars art on it. They just proved they have no problem dicking over 320 of their most loyal customers with BM66. Star Wars is going to be more of the same with an even bigger price.

I am excited to see what Mark Ritchie, Nordman, and Keith are working on. We know the first 2 and both of those guys haven't had a full design in a while and both are always super creative.

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I would say it's more absurd to not at a minimum consider BM66 a very slightly modified version of TDK. Change one shot to a ramp, make the joker reveal a turn table. That's really all that is different game play wise, everything is else is just cosmetic. The code will eventually separate the play a good amount but at the moment there's not enough code to even do that.

It's a different layout which many people beg for but secretly don't really want. Anytime you have a bunch of people committing to something they haven't played that is a very adult theme and very different I think you will see a lot of people bail quickly. I've had fun everytime I've played RZ and I like it because it's different. Many people are going to think it's to hard and just like with stern a lot of people get frustrated and will not wait for the code to get finished. I would guess that the vast majority of the sales of RZ went to pinsiders as it would have been sold out before others even knew it was happening. I have yet to see a RZ for sale elsewhere that wasn't listed on pinside also. I'm sure several changed hands elsewhere but lets say 280 are delivered and 80 have already been sold. That's still 71% of owners keeping their games. I would say most other games from stern or JJP have a similar track record. A lot of the sales are later NIB games that the buyer is already chasing something new because 14 month was to long to keep their attention span. Lots of new games are coming out and most people can't just keep buying without selling.

You thought those new metal leg protectors were to save your art. They are actually the only thing holding the cabinet together

There's no way for you to know what stern will do with the code or if it will be finished to your satisfaction. So people can only judge a game based on it's current state. I also don't understand the owners who claim people are jealous and that is why people are having negative reviews of it. Simple fact is it is the worst normal stern release right now other then WWE. In it's current state GB, TWD, AS, KISS, SMVE, GOT, and MET are all better games. Add in that when you match any of those at the premium level against BM66 that is 1K more and you end up with a game that isn't selling. The people that love the theme already bought an LE and the people that don't care for the theme or are just in it for the game play are going to buy a cheaper better game.

I hope everyone that bought this game likes it and that stern turns out some great code for it. Personally I would be very worried if I owned one though. More sales are not going to happen unless the code overcomes some of the layout issues. Will stern invest their most popular coder's time into a game that isn't selling though? At some point if premiums are not moving what is the pay off to stern to have one of their greatest assets wasting away on a game that is not continuing to make money?

Any shot hit cleanly is going to be smooth. Gomez is pretty well known for some clunky ramps though. 2 of the best games ever made (lotr and MB) have some wonky ramps that rattle and reject made shots. So games with great themes, awesome toys, and good code can overcome that. My main concern in the turn table. It's just not fun to me. So for me BM66 currently has a cool theme, one terrible toy and 1 good one, and bad code.

That's just my opinion though. Different strokes for different folks.

It's his opinion. How do you know he doesn't prefer Aerosmith by a mile? Just like you hate Dailed In, maybe some of us think that poorly of BM66.

So how are owners still feeling about this one? Code starting to come around or does it still have a long ways to go?

And just like when he never misses a chance to bash BM66, you never pass up a chance to take a swipe at DI.

It's going to be funny when Lyman crushes the code and Jar155 buys one and when you finally get to really experience DI in a home environment and have to eat your words and bring one home.

That DI part was for Iceman, hence the reason he was quoted.

Lots of people said the same thing about IM.

If Lyman would get going on the code I'll get me a premium to put next to a DI

I got to know Iceman, how can you like roadshow but be so crazy against DI. They might be 2 of the worst modern pinball themes ever. Good thing game play comes first.