Ummm....no

Nah.....just mostly more of the same old sh*t. Sometimes fun to read, sometimes not.

YES. it was bitch to install.

Don't take this personally but the DI theme sucks and that is a big deal to me

Let's see how it sells. Had people lining up for BM66 SLE and LE and JJP didn't sell more than a handful of SLEs

And I love the marketing genius of trying to unload 2500 LEs

At the end of the day, I would like JJP to succeed but if they don't mix in a great theme every now and then they won't sell many $10k pins

Btw, Batman isn't "clunky". Some of the parrots don't know what it means. TWD is clunky

Did I forget to say In Lyman we trust!

Pinball is fun and so is BM66. Some of you guys need to pull the stick out of your arse

I think Gilligan's Island's playfield art makes more sense, too. I know that Batman 66's art has received mostly favorable reviews, but, personally, I think it looks like a collection of modern day clip art that has been tossed into a Photoshop salad bowl. Something hand-drawn, in a comic style similar to Gilligan's Island, Whoa Nellie! Big Juicy Melons / PBR Can Crusher, or Aerosmith, and using the entire playfield as one large canvas, makes more sense for a TV show coming out of the 1960s.

I grew up in the 1960s and Batman was one of my favorite shows — I never missed an episode! I've owned all sorts of classic 1960s Batman collectibles over the years, right up to and including Sideshow's just released Julie Newmar Catwoman premium format figure, so Batman is absolutely a dream theme of mine. I've yet to actually play Batman 66, my apologies to @iceman44, but I can honestly say that I have little interest in owning one of these machines based on everything I've seen and read so far.

Pssttt... JJP sold over 150 DI Collector Editions.

Jesus..how big are your hands?

I counted 4 GBLEs for sale

3 Walking Dead LEs and one just sold for $7500

And I see Zero BM66LEs for sale. I guess owners hate it so much they must just prefer to burn it down instead of going through the trouble of selling it

It's your pin Cheese, post away and do whatever makes you happy.

Pssst. No they didn't Not even close

Don't you know the BS story?

Buy what you like Amused, doesn't bother me

I do not understand why you quote yourself?

It absolutely bothers you

Well if it sucks it isn't going to get any better by waiting unless you just realized that Lyman is doing the code and it will be really good eventually

At least there are only 240

Wait until the bottom drops out of DI $10k LEs.

2500? Never sell close to that many

That's the pickle. I lost ~ $2000 selling XMLE for a loss ...but I owned it for 4 years so was able to get some good enjoyment. To be sure, there is a difference between IM and XMLE meaning while all pinball is good fun, just feel like some lesser pins are not as fun.

My theory is XMLE was poison, people who like it already own it or have owned it and so it gets tossed in the heap of games that people will buy *at a great price* in other words they will buy it but it's like they are doing you a favor.

$2000 is not really a big bad loss when I've had other pins like PotC for 10 years and could sell it for every penny I have in it, or Tron or ACDC premium. So taking one loss not that bad.

But if BM66 has no legs who will buy then SLE when the premium is --freiken- half the price. There is zero value in a signature card, maybe some would say the topper is worth $400 (I'm being generous) so likely selling a LE or SLE is a bad deal especially if you only got 4 months use instead of 4 years use like I did with XMLE. Would you accept *$1500-2000 loss for 4 months of ownership? (*Edited my post was thinking of SLE instead of LE).

I believe Stern beat the bushes for flippers so there is not any buyers at list price if they wanted one, I'm sure they could have got one SLE or LE without much trouble. This is not GBLE or MET LE or ACDC LE or TRON LE.

I recall GBLE people were freaking out of their mind to get an LE and no trouble getting more than dealer price. BM66 there is zero demand at above dealer price that I can decern.

And I only think 120 Stateside (?), as there have been some posting abroad they haven't arrived yet....

Thank goodness only a few will experience the pain....

Rai, are you saying he would have to sell his LE for $5600 and suffer a $4k loss?

As for taking a loss, if you are buying $10k pins and expect to not take a hit then you better get prepared

People need to enjoy their pins more and quit flipping out if you suffer a loss. You get to enjoy it for years. I'd expect to lose $$. Shit depreciates

Sorry though he had a SLE.

Don't want to loose their a$$. My guess is they are sitting on them hoping the code gets good enough for them to even charge 8K.

They are actually under 9k for a le..... standard is also less than 8k...... regardless its still alot of loot.

Well I was anxious to buy JJP 3 or BM66 but seeing DI (not a great theme, if it was: 'crazy monsters destroying a city' theme I'd like it better).

BM66 just didn't look that great to me and after Ghost gate with Stern and Code gate I don't buy any Stern until it's turned into a winner like TWD or Met after 1+ years

Actually BM went from probably buy for me to not ever once I say the price structure. Stern is killing the goose that lays the golden egg with their greedy money grab IMO

Joe's ads say $8k and $9k firm. Doesn't include delivery right? Better deals out there?

Yes it's a ridiculous amount of loot for a pinball machine! Any pin

Common sense and good judgment isn't allowed in pinball Rai

Hence the point of me stating the obvious earlier.

I certainly hope so. Seriously, this is just pinball, and sorry you don't like BM66, but at the end of the day ( or end of whatever) it's just a game. Pinball has been the best hobby, on several levels, for me. No way I would get too worked up about one I didn't like. Just dump it and move on if you don't enjoy it.

Heading to gameroom now .......beer and BM66LE on tap ( beer actually in a bottle)...

Batman 66 is a top tier Baby Boomer buyer theme.
It may actually have been past do in a sense,
but I'm glad that they got it out in time while the prime demographic for buying this game was still buying new games.

Exactly!!! Think I shall....

Liking a game is a very individualized thing... a game you hate, someone else may love. Usually I find these kinds of threads entertaining, but don't really give them much thought or incorporate them into my collecting calculus.

That being said, I played a BM66 Premium at a location here in MD a week or so ago.

I thought the game was a clunky barren wasteland... and that turntable mech wreaks of cheapness and poor design.

If were an "SL-f'n-E" buyer I would be pissed as hell. Not so much pissed at Stern, but pissed at myself for not playing it before buying it.

And the LCD screen? Who cares.

Of course, my opinion doesn't matter... I do honestly hope that owners are loving their games and that code starts flowing!

I have only played a couple of games of BM66 so far, so I will come to no conclusions at this point.

My Impression so far, is it looks beautiful from the other side of the bar. I love all the colours and the art. Almost a little too loud for my taste, but it fits the theme well. I couldn't care less for the Batman 66 as a pinball theme, but theme has never been a real important factor to me, as long as the gameplay is fun and draws me in. The colours and the art did draw me in and at first glance, the theme seemed well integrated, but at closer inspection, the playfield looked a little no frills (a little basic and perhaps a little cheap). I expected more from a pinball machine that cost this much.

I can't yet pinpoint what was missing with MB66 in the gameplay department, but something didn't feel right. Perhaps it was the unfinished code. Perhaps it was the fact that I was onto my fourth drink and starting to feel the effects of the beer, but usually this has a positive impact. I'm going to have to play it some more before making a final judgement.

Once you've owned say 30+ pins or played, you become a good judge on gameplay, Tron and IM both fast and brutal, LOTR and TSPP both very lengthy ball times etc no one will debate this. So the part that's frustrating is guys who play pinball saying BM66 it smooth as butter!

Most watched the Jack Danger launch and while watching Lyman (a bloody good player) bricking the shots, making it look clunky as hell said it all. If Lyman can't make the game shoot like butter old Iceman and MK6PIN sure as hell can't.

No ones trying to add more code to LOTR and no ones making new ramp designs for Tron. BM66 owners are. Question is why, if it's shooting so smooth?

It's like the old rating chestnut. Own the game and most rate it high, once they sell the sucker they edit the rating for their true opinion.

What a joke opinion that is Grg

The only true opinion?

Pathetic

Sorry I take that back. All true opinions apart from yours and MK66. I wouldn't care less about people's opinions on my games because I like them. However, your sticking up for this in what can only be described as an insane manner.

Pathetic Icepick,

Is that the only true opinion too

You have t even played it. What a joke. Another jealous hater

Think all of my games have gone through code updates...I MOD ALL of my games ( including TRONLE and IMVE) ...the ramp MOD I'm working on will make the left ramp more stable, and even smoother ( did I say " MOD" enough?).

So an owner's opinion that hates the game is more valid than an owner's opinion that likes it (oh, I forgot, I'm in the 1%)? To be so wise...if I only played better, I'd realize the game sucks....some classic sh*t there....gong back to "practice" some more......wow....since when is liking a pin a sin on PINSIDE?

Whatever.....

All the games I've owned or own get bashed by people who dislike. Not one of my posts have been to defend any of these titles, not one.

However, you have over 30+ posts in this thread alone. Now who's pathetic?

You are gonna need several more beers tonight MK.

Relax and enjoy that fun pin!

No beers for me tonight

Pinsinner had a good honest review.

Not laced with garbage and dog shit references

Here is number 32. So what? It's a bash thread

And your opinion is still pathetically bad

And I actually own one so I have a lot to say

And you'll never wear me down. I put up with a lot more BS on Woz for years

Yep....all good here

But you don't mind defending a negative one, without even playing it, and seeing an early video? I don't have to defend or justify any of my pin choices with anyone...simply giving and reinforcing MY HONEST OPINION, as the Op asked for

I've commented in other threads about why this game polarizes so much. I think it's a combination of the Stern hype and the over the top pricing. So we have a heap of people who really wanted to hate this game because they couldn't justify it, and we also have owners who feel it hasn't lived up to the hype.

As a result this thread was destined to become another B66 sh*tshow from the start. With all the same participants spewing all the same arguments we've seen before.

I think the title "B66....let's be honest", the fact you're an owner, then your opening post bagging out the game implies anyone who owns and likes this game is actually not being honest.

It's like, "I'm an owner, and I'm going to be the only owner being honest....this game sucks. Anyone with a contradicting view is just lying. I know."

It is possible to own this game and legitimately like it. It may not have lived up to the hype, but it's no where near as bad as all the negative hyperbole would make you think.

Is this an evaluation 18 years at modern Stern (1999) and approaching 100 production titles (every single different version)? This does NOT mention a single game prior to this period either from Data East, or Sam Stern.

I must have seriously missed something when the ball kept getting stuck behind the rotating assembly when I played the the three LE versions locally, and they were well maintained on routes and I know two out of the three owners.

I give credit to Stern in this area to their production record.
There are quite a few nice LEs in the recent decade since 2010 with good to superb artwork, solid rulesets, added features, and mirrored backglasses to choose from overall.

WOZ is actually fun to play...

Back in the day and if you dig back through the threads when Tron, yes Tron, AC/DC, TWD, MET were launched the reviews on these games were horrible. All suffered in the beginning due to the lack of and depth of code. It took a good year or more for all of these games to mature to where they stand today. I recall many hated TWD's layout but it's no longer spoken or mentioned of in the slightest due to what Lyman did with the code. BM66 has a ways to go...only on .7 and it is said the the game will be finished at 1.0. Very reassuring to knowing this game is far from being complete and that Lyman is behind it to see it finished to the end.

I suppose I'm OK with all of the bashing on this game as of where it stands. I'm an LE owner myself and I can say it's deserving of it, due to price point to own and the sickly fatigued lack of code. Like all of the games I mentioned above, I believe BM66 will be right up there with the rest of them.

Lyman is good.

I've been able to get some good flow on my Batman LE.

Outside of adjusting 1 joker target and replacing the left ramp plastic with lexan, all I've had to do is mylar and cliffy some areas, which I do on every single NIB game I own.