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Black Rose Club: owners and fans welcome

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5 years ago

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#726 1 year ago

I'm in! Got tipped off this game was in the back of a bar down the street. Over the course of 6 MONTHS I managed to get a hold of the owner who happened to be interested in selling it! A German reimport but very nice example - clean boards, clean cabinet, very decent playfield. Excited to shop this out!

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#728 1 year ago

My cannon has no wear, what's the best way to keep it that way? Mylar? Or just keeping it waxed?

#740 1 year ago

I'm serial number 1965716 with no diamond plate. It's a German reimport if that matters.

#741 1 year ago

Taking apart my game tonight for transport into the basement. Really pleased with how clean it is. I could eat off of the surfaces. Matching serials all around!

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#742 1 year ago

My Davey Jones locker rubs against the side. Sometimes it only goes 75% of the way up, other times it will fly up real quick. Guessing a switch isn't registering and maybe the mechanism is messed up. Is this common? My next step is going to disassemble/inspect/clean the whole mech.

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#748 1 year ago
Quoted from Puffdanny:

I'm having trouble with my ramp that lifts up over Davey Jones locker.when it goes to raise it's not catching and it repeats a few times then gives up. If I hold the ramp up the mech will catch then hold the ramp or if I put a little pressure at the top or hold my finger above it anywhere so when it kicks up it hits my finger it will catch every time.has anyone else had this problem?I've been fiddling with it for a bit and at my wits end.it happened once before and I couldn't figure it out then it just started working again for 6 months but this time it's being an asshole lol.

I had this issue also.
Take apart the whole thing and clean everything.
There should be no lubricant anywhere.
Replace the coil sleeve.
The arm at the top that does the ramp lifting, I had to stick it towards the outer edge of the groove, not seated all the way in.
All good now!

#752 1 year ago
Quoted from Puffdanny:

I'm assuming you did this from under the playfield?

Yes, I removed the whole assembly from underneath. If you have some small wrenches you may be able to adjust the lifter arm from the top without removing anything.

#766 1 year ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

I know, almost 2 years of promises for a cannon shell and still nothing.

What happened to the guy 3D printing them?

Any tricks to reinforce my currently good one to make sure it lasts?

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#778 1 year ago


Marco has one listed here for reference. Definitely has a spring. I don't see why a one way gate with roughly the same dimensions wouldn't work.

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#785 1 year ago
Quoted from lanfeust:

After 2 years of search, I finally joined the club!
As I wanted to keep this one, I fully restored it from head to toes. Touched up playfield and clearcoated, not the perfection but much more better than before.

Beautiful! I want to clear coat my game but I have the giant factory mylar installed (also not diamond plate). Does anyone have any success in removing the mylar without any paint?

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#864 1 year ago

Realized that I only have mylar above the flippers and in the pops. In planning for my teardown and shopout this fall, I'm thinking of clearcoating the playfield.
Mine's not a diamondplate and the mylar is perfect now.
Anyone have luck with BR?

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#868 1 year ago

I'm going to convert to LED's.
Who stuck with the red/white double GI style?
It seems like a cool feature, but not sure how it'll look...

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#887 1 year ago

I also find it strange there's no posts at the top of the ball guide wireform. I do get a fair amount of drains.

#890 1 year ago

Does anyone have a playfield scan?
I'm looking to laser cut my own playfield protector and can reward you with a free one

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#912 1 year ago
Quoted from Jon9508:

The canon bodies are pretty rare. There is a nos one on the pinside shops for 250 pounds. I am really surprised no one hasn't 3d printed it yet with all of this talent that people have these days.

I just got access to a very nice 3D printer and am thinking about reproducing it as my next project.

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#915 1 year ago

This may be a silly question - but do you guys have foam behind your targets?
Every single one of my targets has the foam missing with no evidence it was ever there.
I kinda like it because it makes them super sensitive!

EDIT: Searched this thread to find that there is no foam!

#920 1 year ago
Quoted from TurnedWoods:

3D printing of the Cannon. Two of my mechanical engineers are pinheads and have done some work with 3D printing.

Great to hear. Have you considered making a die and doing injection molding? I don't know much about that but my local hackerspace has a bad ass 5 axis cnc.

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#922 1 year ago

Had some extra blue plexi so whipped up a replacement for the top of the Whirlpool ramp. Engraved the whirlpool text on top. I've added a blue LED strip hooked up to the associated flasher. I'm currently shopping mine out, excited to see how it looks lit up. Thoughts?

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#927 1 year ago
Quoted from allsportdvd:

Looks pretty cool! Are you offering them up for sale?

If I get enough interest I'll do a run.

Here's another photo with that same thin blue LED strip on the side.

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#937 1 year ago

Well that's enough interest for me!
I'll be doing a run of my whirpool ramp plastic.
I also created these slingshot protectors if you'd like one or both of these.
I plan to suspend my hackerspace subscription where this laser cutter is at the end of the month, so please PM me if you'd like one. Thanks!

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#938 1 year ago
Quoted from OTRChief:

The correct parts are: 12-6971 Gate, 10-434 torsion Spring
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Finally got my torsion spring from Marco.
Is this right? The tension to open the gate is much more than I would expect...

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#940 1 year ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Perfect, the ball will move it. Overtime it will loosen up a little. The idea is to grab that ball amd prevent a bounce out.

True! Installed it and did a few tests. Not gonna get super lucky anymore but it's pretty generous.

I also put some dampening foam at the back of the ball guide.

#944 1 year ago

Finished shopping out my game! Totally rebuilt the cannon mechanism. The 2 tone (red/white) GI is VERY cool! The Tilt Graphics blades look great.
My new Whirlpool ramp cover plastic is very cool. Wired a very thin LED strip with the ramp flasher so it lights up everytime you hit the ramp.

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#956 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinballerchef:

Mine never makes it up that ramp off the plunge....my flap lifts up on the left side of it so I’m wondering if that’s the cause.
The consensus is that it’s supposed to make the ramp and go up and around.

My Davy Jones ramp wasn't going down all the way. I adjusted the ball guides best I could. Rebuilt and cleaned the mech. Adjusted the post that lifts the ramp. Ended up having to chop off part of the post rubber with a razor blade and haven't had any issues since.

#960 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinballerchef:

What did slicing part of the post rubber off help with ??

I had this problem when i first got this game, and after my shop job. Assuming I bent the metal slightly. Took off the right ball guide on the Davey Jones ramp and bent it so it was straighter. Where the tab to mount to the playfield is, I slightly bent it away from the ramp. This metal bends fairly easy, so be slow and careful. I also gripped the Davey Jones ramp real good and twisted clockwise.
Had to skim off a bit of the post rubber, but now it fits perfectly!

My full power plunge no longer makes it up the Davey Jones ramp, I think I may have to carefully bend the 2 ball guides in the launcher lane.

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#967 1 year ago
Quoted from Pinballerchef:

I didn’t say I couldn’t adjust it. It’s very easy. But they don’t give you enough room with the V shape hole to line up multiple positions. No amount of fiddling with it helped center my plunger with the ball....is what it is apparently.

I used to be able to hit the Davey Jones ramp on a full plunge. After shopping my game, it seems the top/right ball guide I bent a little bit and it biffs out. Going to adjust that a bit and dial it in.

#970 1 year ago

I just put my BR back together. I'm getting some air balls off of clean strong hits. Sometimes hits the wireforms and duds out.
Assuming my Whirlpool isn't level?
It feels pretty level, I run my finger along the edge. Still slightly adjusted it and no better.
What am I missing?

#972 1 year ago
Quoted from allsportdvd:

Can anyone photograph or explain how the Davey Jones Locker ramp is supposed to sit?
I reassembled mine and the ramp stays up even when the solenoid fires. I’m not sure how the metal guide underneath is supposed to sit

Read my post #960 above

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#995 1 year ago

This switch in the lock section keeps getting pushed to the side causing balls to get stuck and a real pain in my ass.
Straightened it out when I shopped it out recently and it came back, what am I missing?

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#1021 11 months ago
Quoted from zacaj:

Imagine a mod where every led is RGB, so that they're all on normally, but turn red during cannon shots. Maybe feed in to pinstadium too...

The effect is very cool even without pinstadium. Stick to the red/white scheme!

#1023 11 months ago
Quoted from Ericpinballfan:

Is there a bulb map for the white and red GI?

There's a "R" screenprinted on the playfield next to the red bulb sockets

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#1048 9 months ago
Quoted from gunstarhero:

Right. Super cool effect for a game of this era!
You can test the various GI strings in the TESTS menu. For the most part the red GI lamps are marked with an R on the PF.
Works fine with LEDs, my game has been converted over and it works like a champ.

+1 for red/white GI!

#1051 9 months ago
Quoted from transprtr4u:

What LEDs are you using? Tested the 2 red bulbs in the slings changing them to LED and I instantly blew fuse 109

Comet 2 smd. Perhaps you shorted something putting them in?

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#1070 8 months ago

Since shopping my game out, I feel the cannon isn't the same. The cannon lid seems to hit the habitrail. The ball sometimes skips over it. Just re-level? Should I aim more for it being recessed in the playfield versus sticking above it?

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#1074 8 months ago
Quoted from gunstarhero:

Did you use the right spacers on the wireform?

I believe so, they're about an inch high

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#1094 7 months ago
Quoted from transprtr4u:

Changed out the posts to what I thought they should be ..went from from all clears to black ,blue and the one orange for the upper right plastic support.
Changed all the rubbers to white and yellow plus red for the slings. Also used black lock nut washers to blend into the color scheme.[quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image][quoted image]

Excellent execution!

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#1115 7 months ago

How does the "target resets broadside bonus" standup work?
I've noticed that sometimes it helps open the locker.

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#1232 3 months ago
Quoted from Mancave:

Has anyone had their lift ramp not operate properly, as far as not raising high enough to allow the ball to go under the ramp flap? I've got my machine back together now and have a few teething issues, main one being the lift ramp. I've removed the mech to give it a good clean and it all seems ok visually so not quite sure what's the problem with it

Two things - the ball guide location, and the location of the rod under the lifter ramp.
For the ball guide, check my post here https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/black-rose-club-owners-and-fans-welcome/page/20#post-4806407

For the lifter ramp rod - Take apart the whole thing and clean everything.
There should be no lubricant anywhere.
Replace the coil sleeve.
The arm at the top that does the ramp lifting, I had to stick it towards the outer edge of the groove, not seated all the way in.

#1234 3 months ago
Quoted from antinea:

There's a Black Rose for sale not too far away from me. Since this pin has a couple of unique things, are there parts I should double check when I'll take a look at it?

Inspect the entire cannon mechanism, look for cracks in the housing and ensure it works well
Wear above where it launches is common
Check the Davy Jones ramp lifts by itself and stays up
Otherwise check for errors and do a switch/coil/lamp test

#1246 3 months ago

The horizontal bar that the ramp rests on needs to be higher up, closest to the end where you can secure it.
The arm that it's sitting in, it's currently too recessed.

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