Hi all, I have joined the club! Black Rose is one of my two first pins at home and I'm loving it.

However, i noticed the knocker isn't connected, but I can't see a connector anywhere to plug into it.

I've studied the manual and tried to understand the wiring but surely there should be another connector loose In the backbox? Or could there be another explanation?

Is there a way someone could tell or show me where i might find the other end?

Also, mine is version L-1, is it worth getting a new updated rom or am I not gaining much?

Here's another,

Flasher 25 not working, and it's noted in the manual, from at least two owners ago. So I'm guessing noone could be bothered to fix it.

It appears to be to the sides of the broadside shot, which must be tricky to get to?
Anyone got a picture of these flashers or tips how to get there?

Thanks,
The coin meter was connected to the cables via an electrical connector box, so I just cut the connector off of the knocker and put those cables into the connector box. Working great now!

Thanks for the pics, weird there's no sign of where the bulbs would be mounted. It's strange it was LED'ed but they must not have realised there were lights back there. I hope its just bulbs that have died!
I had a look at the hinge earlier to try understand it but it looks like something I'll need to do with someone else when theres more room around the pin.
It sounds really awkward in your description ugh.
. I don't think I have the spring on the gate either so it's definitely a job to do once I've got some flasher leds and the spring...

Do you know what colour the bulbs are?

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With the LED's I meant the previous owner changed it to all LEDs but left out those flashers, maybe he didn't know they were there. But id he got a LED kit surely there would be two left spare, I'll have to check the box that came with it. There is a handwritten note in the operators manual saying lamp 25 not working and that wasn't written by the previous owner so it implies they've been out or had issues for at least two previous owners.
Makes me wonder if there was a bigger issue or they just couldn't be bothered or got around to getting access to that area.

Thank you so much! I wonder if that can be seen by putting the backbox down and peeking through the hole? I'm curious as to if its even installed.

I can't find that spring part anywhere except Marco and considering I'm in the UK the shipping for something that's not even £1 is a bit much

That's hopeful!

Update : Yes! They are accessible when the backbox is down!
Mine still had a incandescent bulb in one and nothing not even the little socket in the other.

What is the little black part you put the bulbs in called?

I put an LED in the one remaining and it worked, a whole new effect for me

It's so frustrating that nowhere except Marco appears to have the spring or gate. To get it shipped here takes weeks and at least £45!

I wonder if there's any other solutions?

I've got the gate, just I'd buy the whole gate to get the spring if i had to.
It's nuts it's only listed at one site.

Found it at an Australian shop with bearable shipping!

Any tips for getting access to that area? Do i have to remove the playfield and if so how do i remove it and work on it if its not secured anymore?

Just the spring. I did order it yeah

Should a ball coming down from the right past the upper flipper feed to the lower right flipper?
Mine hits the top of the right sling

How was it getting access to that area?

Update,

Here's another quirk of this Rosie, a couple owners back someone hacked a solution to the missing spring in an attempt to make the shot easier ....
I was worried at first but looking at photos of other Black Rose's there are two holes there. Just different post types. So it's not as if the owner had drilled an extra hole (even if the manual made it seem like they had).

Does anyone know the part number of that smaller thin post that is supposed to be where the white one is?

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I really appreciate that detailed description, I did look at how it comes off last night but thought if I get it off, where the hell can I sit it without damaging anything underneath.
So the bottom of the cannon is solid and fine to rest on the lockdown area?

I've got more issues now ‍♂️
Sometimes the Davy Jones locker ramp remains stuck in the up position.
The little solenoid that releases it seems to be working fine and keeps firing.
I have a feeling (and hoping) it's the spring on the main solenoid holding the ramp up.

From what I could tell the solenoid goes in reverse to what you'd think.... Ie the solenoid fires away from the playfield and the ramp raises using a mechanism rather than it pushing the ramp up like you'd assume.

I think the spring is under tension so when the little solenoid pushes the piece of metal that's locking the ramp up out of place the spring should do the rest?

I did take the spring off and stretched it slightly and reassembled the mech. A few tests and it appeared ok but then again it would sometimes work and then seemingly randomly stop working

It's odd it was working well for a couple hours and now is really unreliable.
The little coil just keeps firing while the 'lift crank assembly' doesn't move.
I thought the spring might be the issue as its not pushing on the crank ready for the little coil to release it. But even after when trying it manually with your fingers there's some resistance. So maybe something else is a miss like a bent arm.

I'll struggle to explain this but the way the part of the coil pushes onto the arm, its like an elbow and it's almost like it locks. Like it isn't pushing it in the right way.

And typical that crank arm is only available at the same place I ordered the torsion spring from.
If only I had known a couple days ago!

I took the part holding the solenoid out, (like I had many times trying to fix it) and fiddled about and reattached it.
There were two sets of screw holes, one giving it more leverage.

I played it a lot yesterday and it didn't stay up once (that i could notice, still skeptical as I'm sure I tried moving it before).

Again, hard to explain mechanically and I don't really know what I did different that time.
I'll have to get pics next time I have the playfield up.

On another topic, the ball often falls off the whirlpool wireframe, I've tried bending the last side part up and away and still had it happen... Is that just part of Rosie?

Game is currently set on about 7 degrees incline, does steeper mean harder with Rosie?

And another subject, mine had been upgraded with LEDs, but the previous owner missed a few locations.
The GI is cool white in some places and warm in others (mainly where the old bulbs remain like flanking the left ramp under the plastics).

I'm feeling Rosie would look better with warm white GI, anyone have that opinion or thoughts?

Here's an odd one.

Yesterday Black Rose was on, I didn't play any games but I was playing Road Show next to it. In the corner of my eye i saw "coin door open use buttons" (or similar), then it went away.

I turned Rosie off at some point and then when I turned her back on I got the check fuses message.

I'm a new pin owner (don't own a multimeter yet but ones on the way), I checked the fuses and they looked ok to the naked eye.
I fiddled about here and there but eventually gave up as the circuit board part of pin ownership is beyond me at the moment. I did look up guides, and noted LED1 was out but due to not having a multimeter yet I couldn't go further.

I messaged my pal who works on pins and he said it could be my bridge rectifier, so this morning I ordered one along with other odds and sods.

I turned it on this morning out of curiosity and it booted up fine
Any idea what is going on?

And secondly even if I open the coin door I don't get a message about it being open‍♂️

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A gameplay question,
What dictates the value of the jackpot? In attract mode mine shows just over 8 million, but in one game it gave me 18mil (if i remember correctly).

My friend said it could be a sign of the BR dying.
I did fiddle with connectors and fuses trying to get it working but it didn't get me anywhere so it's odd it worked the next day.

I guess Rosie doesn't have a high power cut off with the coin door then. But has that message as if it does.
Unless mine and yours isn't wired up!

Would really appreciate some help here,

The "Check Fuses F114 and F115" returned.
I got a replacement Bridge rectifier and a friend fitted it. The multimeter readings show its working but also that BR2 is not working either.

I wish I'd bought two bridge rectifiers now. (i have a second on order)

But still this morning the pin turned on ok, but within minutes the "coin door open use buttons" message appeared then a few seconds later "SLAM TILT". The pin remained in attract mode but no buttons would work.

Is this likely to be because of the other bridge rectifier?
I have my own multimeter now so is there anything i should check?

So my spring came!

There was a silly mod to make the broadside shot easier which isn't needed anymore.

So I've tried to put the posts as they should be.

But the thin metal post (in middle of the picture) won't stay in... I may have ordered the wrong one, or the way the previous owners had it meant the hole has been stripped?

Could someone tell me if it is a wood screw post, or one with a nut, or a t nut one?
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The one I bought must be for a T nut as it reaches the bottom of the playfield but doesn't poke out.
I can't seem to find a post that's for a nut underneath.. Any ideas of the part number?

My Rosie has horrible cold GI leds.

I think she looked better with the incandescents (a few were left in).

I was thinking, would Comet Warm whites work? And are the GI bulbs all the same type?

A list would be good

Also,
In front of the left ramp there was a half moon shaped piece of mylar. The ramp flap was under it and I had to remove it to get the ramp out.

It came off easy except the tip or the sword insert/inlay which came with it. So I cut the mylar around that and stuck a small rectangle to hold that other small bit in place (i didn't know what else to do!)

It's not too bad, and probably better than the big bit of mylar that had fingerprint marks under it!

But what are my options if I want to remove it? How do I replace what is stuck to the mylar?

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Noone have a list of GI bulbs?

I have red ones in some places, for example one red and one white under each slingshot plastic... Is that how it's meant to be?

Yeah I remember reading that there's reds and they're labeled with R on playfield.

No list in manual that i can see.

On the red GI circuit the one on the left in the picture lights up and is blue. Should that be in the right socket and a red in its place?

Can't get both lights in the same photo. There are two next to each other, both GI, one closest to the back is blue and the one closest to the whirlpool ramp is white

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But one blue one when the reds are lit?. I tried to look for a R next to it but couldn't see.

It's next to white. I assume it was to match the pops.
So the white can stay and I'll replace the blue with a red.

It was already upgraded to LEDs by the previous owner, they missed a few though.
I'm thinking of leaving all the colours but redoing the GI.
The white is far too cold. I think warm white would work better for Black Rose?

The ball flies off my Whirlpool wireform,
I've tried bending the end of the wireform multiple ways and it still flies off.

I recorded a slow mo video and it's like the ball bounces before the turn.

Any ideas? Maybe it's going too fast?

I used the phone app on the playfield. I've tried it at 6.5 and 7.0. The bubble indicates the app is correct

Will try get pictures tomorrow.
The last of the corner parts weld is detached.

Four different slow mo videos if it helps

I tried that at the end but had the same result. Do you mean try bend the entire length of the upright bits?

You can see its not welded together and broke at some point.
I've got it as pictured now and the ball hasn't flown off yet!
I swear I had it like this before... Pinball is weird

Another topic, my canon stopped turning yesterday. It seems the disc was seizing against the levellers. I managed to solve it but it jerks in motion when near the centre.
What is the lubricant used on the disc? Mine has some but it's wearing thin

Unless it's not supposed to have any!

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Hey guys,

My canon doesn't turn right far enough to reliably make the right shot to the pops. How do you adjust this?

Missing the spring I'd guess! A lot of people are missing it and don't realise.
Mine was and it's a different game with it installed.
I forget the part number but if you search this thread for 'spring' you'll find it

Strange what you find when investigating. Seems multiple holes were made here, for some reason!

My Davy Jones ramp would occasionally get stuck on the metal to its right and wouldn't lower properly.
So i tried angling the metal differently using the other holes at the back...
Ramp worked fine but balls would enter the locker so fast they'd push into the now tighter gap and get locked in there.

So am I missing something or using the wrong holes? Is my metal part bent?

Please look at the photos and try to figure this out? extra two screw holes
stuck balls, i thought maybe I could get away with leaving an old ball there to stop the rest getting stuck but nope, such force they end up like this!
stuck balls, i thought maybe I could get away with leaving an old ball there to stop the rest getting stuck but nope, such force they end up like this.

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Another Rosie query

Upper flipper alignment. Is it supposed to be more in line with the ball guide above?
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Also, I don't think I've ever achieved that 3 way combo.

I've got wood flaking here... What are my options?

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Also this dirt/ball trails, I've tried novus 1, 2 and a bit of 3 to no avail. Also tried a 70% alcohol wipe.

Advice?
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I made it look more satisfying to the eye... But damn it's so much harder to reliably make the ramp/Davy Jones locker shot now

Has anyone made the outlanes less brutal by replacing the post with a star post?

I looked into it but the machine screws for the star posts I have don't go far enough below the playfield to be secured.
Are there longer screws?

Added mine yesterday with a re-rubber of Perfect Plays! Still have Superbands on the flippers but tempted to change those out of curiosity...
I ordered some long machine screws for the star posts. They have to be fixed using a nut underneath though.

It's tempting to put a bigger rubber that goes across all three posts bit I'm not sure. It might look better

My Rosie also has a lot of air balls. It's such an energetic game!

Does anyone know if you can reset the high scores but leave the grand champ?

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I had friends over for the first time in so long (thanks Covid restrictions!) and I had so many comments that Rosie is too dark.

I've got leds in it. But still the GI isn't great.
Has anyone added any spotlights or extra GI? If so where?

Has anyone used warm white GI? I am toying with the idea as it seems more suited to the pf colours?
I have sunlights at the moment and they feel a little cold on Rosie

Regarding the cannon mechanism, the 3 levelling bits turn freely in mine, with a nut underneath them to keep them at a set height.
There's also signs of some lube around them and the metal circle... Is this right?

I tried tightening the levellers using the hex nuts that go through them but the cannon then wouldn't turn as if its too tight and grinding metal on metal...

Advice please!

When the ball goes around from full plunge/left ramp or the loop, is it supposed to come down to the right flipper? Mine was passing the upper flipper and hitting top of the right sling. I adjusted the ball guide slightly and the all now is delivered to the right flipper.

Also if the ball isn't going fast, when it drops to the right of the pops the ball bounces from right to left, it isn't a smooth journey.