Thanks, that will be Saturday morning here. Looking forward to seeing this one. Hopefully Pat pulls one out of the bag this time.

I will play them both on location and save $20,000.

Wonka is a home run theme - world famous, loved by all ages and both sexes, more popular than Wizard of Oz I'd say.

What other home run themes haven't been made yet?

Disappointed in the game but relieved that I don’t need to buy.

I think it looks bad ass.

It’s creative and not based on lame band or movie.

Love the center leds linked to the spinner spinning.

Can’t wait to play.

I do not know why you would limit yourself to the two most recent games. Automated services have 15 Stern games in stock 4 JJP games and 3 CGC games. There is no reason to limit yourself to the latest game. http://pinballs.com

Lol you think Kaneda's the best marketing strategy

I was solidly in the Black Knight category, but have switched my vote over to Willy Wonka after last nights stream. Black Knight looks brutally difficult, and has a more adult theme than I would have liked. 97% of the pinball population doesn't care, but the animations are/would be to scary for my young kids. Despite portraying the gruesome murder of 4 innocent children, Willy Wonka is a happy children's theme. I seriously doubt there will be anything remotely objectionable on that machine.

I know we have not seen Willy Wonka yet, but it was spoken of very highly on the Special When Lit Pinball podcast and they have me stoked to actually see it.

I believe there is no right or wrong answer to this question, and it all boils down to whether you want a Ferrari or a Cadillac. Some people like fast and brutal gameplay in a flashy package (Ferarri). Some people want a fully featured game with all the bells and whistles that plays buttery smooth (Cadillac). Only time will tell.

With all that said, I'm not in the market for a NIB pin but will be trolling the marketplace when you guys get tired of these.

This sentence should definitely display somewhere during Wonka's attract mode.

Shouldn't be too difficult for Wonka to surpass BK after watching the stream.

None of those children died (in the Gene Wilder movie; not sure about the book).

I've never played the previous Black Knights, so fortunately, I didn't have any expectations from Black Knight canon. Watching the Deadflip video it looked to me like the graphics and theme of this new game are more of a Lord of the Rings type of mythology than a King Arthur flavor. The brutal game play, quick ball times and only 5 modes remind me a lot of Iron Man. Iron Man has six basic modes and one is a lame lit switch count, but when playing I keep hitting the start button, unlike my longer ball games.

I think the new Black Knight game would have its place in a collection mixed with both long and short ball time games. That said, I think it would seriously disappoint people who only like extremely long ball games or prefer games like TWD or BM66 in terms of multiple strategies. I didn't care for the upper playfield and agree that the music seems repetitive. But what do I know about music repetitiveness, I love my Sopranos game. Sure, Willy Wonka will have a loaded playfield, ultra deep code, and will probably be a great game, but for not much more than half the price of a JJP LE, about $5,600-$5,700 delivered price, Black Knight has its niche for those who want fast and brutal games.

Cleveland Indians?

Nobody *needs* to buy anything.

Once you figure out that nobody is impressed (or gives a shit) about your expensive new pinball/watch/car/house, life becomes a lot better.

rd

Says the guy with 128 pins.

It’s my hobby. I do it because I hold huge pinball events at my place every few months, and it’s the defacto HQ for competitive pinball in NZ.

I don’t do it to impress anyone. The neighbours don’t give a shit ... my mates don’t give a shit ... if it comes up in conversation, nobody is impressed, I think they’re more concerned for my mental wellbeing. Lol

I’ll give you a couple of examples of “nobody gives a shit” ...

1/ when I hit 30, I decided I needed to treat myself to a flash watch. I’d worked crazy hard, and I deserved a nice watch! I always liked TAG watches, so I hunted around for months to get a good deal on a top of the range Kirium. Got one in Australia for $3000 - a good deal. I’m proudly wearing my watch, and I show it to my RX7 buddy. “Hey, check out my new watch!” He pulls out his cellphone and says “does it keep as good time as this?” My $3000 watch now languishes in my drawer, as a reminder that “nobody gives a shit”

2/ I just restored my Scared Stiff. It’s been sitting folded up since 2010. It’s the last pin I started work on in 2010 before I learnt “don’t start another one before you finish the current one”. So I finally got around to finishing it a few months ago. It’s beautiful. New decals flawlessly installed, black metalwork, new ramps, glossy playfield - it’s the best restore I’ve ever done.

I moved it to the prime position in my games room, right by the door. The next day, 120 people came to my house for Pincade, and walked past my amazing restore. Do you know how many people said “shit that looks amazing!” Nobody. Not one person. Because nobody gives a shit.

rd
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You nailed it rotordave .

100%

I want a Black Knight. I can't afford both, and Black Knight has that arcade nostalgia for me. I had Dialed In and sure it was a nice game, but that's what I sold to get my Iron Maiden which I sold in turn to fund my Black Knight when it comes out. I haven't been this excited for a pin in I don't know how long! I can't wait for this one! Some people say that JJP has the greatest build quality but theme and fun are way more important to me.

Well I haven't seen Willy Wonka yet but if it's as good as Kaneda pimps it out to be....it's a landslide for Willy Wonka. The new Black Knight is cool looking but it's not much different than the first two in terms of layout. Just another cookie cutter Stern IMO.

Interesting when threads like this come up - I don't usually join in, but...

When Wonka is announced how long until it comes off the line into homes? Based on past JJP games, why don't you just buy a BK and enjoy it for a year and sell it when wonka starts shipping. That way you get to enjoy both. Yah, you may take a few hundred hit, but who cares at the prices new pins are selling at.

You probably could get a few new sterns before the next jjp makes it out.

Not this time. Wonka starts shipping May or June at the latest.

Once you realize nobody gives a shit about wtf you have or don't have LIFE becomes a whole lot better.

I've got a front row seat to life, death, marriage, divorce, love, happiness, etc. with about 800 household clients that i do estate planning, taxes and financial planning for.

Young, old, rich and poor, you name it.

Live life, love your family and friends! And be thankful for every day.

I will believe it when it happens

This Exactly!

Dude seriously I’m in tears. That is too funny!
Who is in on a Grandpa Joe LE? Lol

I know you probably don't give a shit, but I think that SS looks bad ass!

I can confirm this, definitely not impressed.

Not sure what i will hate more. The upper playfield on Black Knight Sword Of Rage or the lower playfield on Munsters.

It does. It’s f**king awesome!

rd

Nm - not really relevant to discussion.

Back to Black Knight/Willie Wonka bickering.

Lol

rd

sad

I guess that is why we buy the games we do. Still doesn't stop us from bickering over them

RD, Mark me down for someone that cares and is impressed with your restoration. It is fab! If I walked in your room and that was sitting there I’d be wowed!

Buffalo I believe.

Man I’m so scared my wife thinks I’m selling my machines but with all these new announcements I went nuts . I don’t know what she’s going to do when all these new pins start arriving . Big truck pulls up “ what is that !” . I’m screwed !

I guess you’ll have your answer in about 3 hours

Black knight...

Lol that was quick!

rd

Yeah. But let’s be honest and say deadpool or pirates still sit in front of black knight

After seeing the new Wonka, I'm 100% Black Knight. Wonka would have had to really wow me and it did not. I hope the new GNR is better.

After watching a few minutes of Wonka play - you might wait for the next release rumored to be "Gone with the Wind"

Now that both games are revealed, I can't imagine what all the hype over Willy Wonka was for? Wonder how much different the poll in this thread would end up if the numbers were gathered over again at this point? My BK LE purchase is more solid than ever.

For the record, I loved the book as a kid and loved the movie with Gene Wilder, so this is a really solid theme to me. Just looking at the game and the playfield layout it has no appeal. A couple of neat toys and nice ramps, but overall has literally nothing that gets my motor running like Black Knight does. The LCD scenes from the movie are fine, but soundtrack is awful to say the least. Ugh.

I was initially in on both, but now I'm a hard no on BK. The screeching music is a huge turnoff for me.

Wonka did not turn out to be the JesusPin, but it is what it is - a solid, JJP quality first-class machine.
I'm still in on the CE and it will be a fine compliment to my JJPOTC.

I hear you on the grating repetitive metal music in BK. I also found the constant "I've got a golden ticket" music on Wonka to be somewhat annoying too though.

I'm hoping both will be improved with more code.

This looks pretty good. Hard choices to be made with next purchase.
-Mike

At $7500, I’m in on WONKA SE. I will add a shaker and without a doubt someone will design a mod for where the empty ball lock shelf now sits.

So anyone here that played 'em both this weekend?

I never thought Wonka would be good subject material for a pin. I was about to order a CE, but after seeing the footage, I think the music will drive me nuts, and the play field looks like it will give me a seizure. I will stick with my Black Knight LE order. The rock music and the layout look pretty cool.