Black knight 2000 wireform (sold out)

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#1 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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I was asked by enough people to make the impossible to find wireform that drops ball from the upper playfield. So, I went out today and bought the machine. I think I have a better solution then the spring design thats on it. I will be selling wireforms with the spring or my replacement design. This is another follow the build post. I will know pricing once I get the parts and labor nailed down. This first clone is a hair smaller diameter stainless. I will look for the exact size that williams used and see if I can buy it. The ones I use are fine and survive location play. I will post as it goes. Totally doable. Same as always, I will make as many as requested. I make wireforms for Mandalorian Pro machines and that is my priority, but to break things up a bit for creativity I will make both.

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#2 2 years ago

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Following. I was just curious about the spring. Is it supposed to be straight or have a couple of bends in it like yours (and mine) Also will be watching for your alternative to the spring.

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#3 2 years ago

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lemmings418

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Quoted from dozer1:
Following. I was just curious about the spring. Is it supposed to be straight or have a couple of bends in it like yours (and mine) Also will be watching for your alternative to the spring.

The spring on mine is straight.

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#4 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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Progressing

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#5 2 years ago

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truemagoo102

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Killer. Looks a hell of a lot better than our version! NICE JOB!

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#6 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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Quoted from truemagoo102:
Killer. Looks a hell of a lot better than our version! NICE JOB!

Thanks! Tig welding is alot better with stainless steel. Not done, but I got everything but spring arm done.

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#7 2 years ago

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truemagoo102

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Quoted from Loganpinball:
Thanks! Tig welding is alot better with stainless steel. Not done, but I got everything but spring arm done.

We were also toying with the idea of having an alternate build- one that would go down the right outlane so you couldn't just hold up the right flipper. Had some people interested in that too. Would be a sweet tournament mod.

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#8 2 years ago

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Looks good , definitely better build

My only concern without the extra height and length of spring would be balls hopping over. Even with the spring I have an occasional ball come over the spring and land on the plastic. What do you think?

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#9 2 years ago

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Quoted from topkat:
Looks good , definitely better build
My only concern without the extra height and length of spring would be balls hopping over. Even with the spring I have an occasional ball come over the spring and land on the plastic. What do you think?

That happened on this one with the spring one installed. I did a swing arm blocking pivot. It hooks on and rotates into place and is secured by screw on side. This is just first crack at getting rid of the spring. I am trying for a two piece solution. All it will involve is removing the upper wireform add on prior to lifting upper playfield forward. I will look for springs soon and do original design. This swing arm was only to see it function. It does fine, but I can do better on the shaping
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#10 2 years ago

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Impressive how quickly you put that together..
It sounds like you are testing for that possible issue, so maybe your idea is better than a spring. Thanks for all the posts

I see what you did. That looks like it might even better by closing the gap completely, when you narrow in on the shape. Nice !

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#11 2 years ago

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Pinballer73

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WOW, you've definitely got some considerable skill & talent Loganpinball Nice work so far, especially so quickly. You'll make a lot of BK2K owners including myself very happy. I'm interested to see what other option you settle on instead of the spring and would possible buy both an original exact replacement and your new design.

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#12 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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Odd ball 5/32”. I will track it down and I will need to figure out heat settings to weld, but I can get it. My supplier does not carry this size.

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#13 2 years ago

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lemmings418

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My spare wireform, when looking closely at it, uses two different gauges of wire (three if you include the post mounts). Spring facing upwards, the wires on the rounded section on the top and most left (below the bent wire) are a different size. Don't know if others have the same thing.

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#14 2 years ago

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xeneize

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Excited about this project and would be happy to buy one of each version! Please let us know when they are ready for sales!

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#15 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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Quoted from lemmings418:
My spare wireform, when looking closely at it, uses two different gauges of wire (three if you include the post mounts). Spring facing upwards, the wires on the rounded section on the top and most left (below the bent wire) are a different size. Don't know if others have the same thing.
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The mount are very small gauge wire. I am making the mounts larger. I have the 5/32 rods now.

Quoted from xeneize:
Excited about this project and would be happy to buy one of each version! Please let us know when they are ready for sales!

Soon. I just need to find the springs. And playtest.

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#16 2 years ago

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lemmings418

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Quoted from Loganpinball:
The mount are very small gauge wire. I am making the mounts larger. I have the 5/32 rods now.

Soon. I just need to find the springs. And playtest.

The mounts are a smaller gauge. Yes, I agree. Just wonder why two of the pieces on the rail itself are a smaller gauge on my spare.

Either way, I am in for one of yours!

Upon further inspection, my spare is missing the one mount and the one in the game has all three mounts but one has broken away from the rail.

Thanks for all your efforts.

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#17 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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My wife picked up rods, springs and caps. Stay tuned.

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#18 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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Fin...
3 hours labor.
Pictures showing playfield lifted.
Side by sides mine is the one with new spring. Pricing to follow..

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#19 2 years ago

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lemmings418

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Let me be the first to say, that looks absolutely amazing!

I'm already in line for one.

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#20 2 years ago

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Just a quick video of wireform drop working.

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#21 2 years ago

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xeneize

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Loganpinball , BEAUTIFUL!

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#22 2 years ago

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chad

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Looking good!! I will grab two when ready . Thanks for recreating these.

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#23 2 years ago

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Quoted from Loganpinball:
Just a quick video of wireform drop working.

Don't think I have ever seen a BK2K video WITHOUT the music being cranked. Odd sensation.

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#24 2 years ago

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BobLangelius

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very nice! And quickly done. I'll take one.

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#25 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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I do $50 an hour labor rate welding. I need to make another two of these to see what I will need to sell them. Trying for today or tomorrow. Cost will include the rods, tungsten, argon used and stoning them.
Hopefully that explains where I end up.

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#26 2 years ago

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pinballplusMN

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I would like to see the whole wire form redesigned for bk2k. It would.be nice if the top wireform had an opening to a wireform feeding the left return lane. The right drop wireform could stay in place. It would mix the flow up a bit.

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#27 2 years ago

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Quoted from pinballplusMN:
I would like to see the whole wire form redesigned for bk2k. It would.be nice if the top wireform had an opening to a wireform feeding the left return lane. The right drop wireform could stay in place. It would mix the flow up a bit.

Thats just fffed up. I was looking at that idea last night!!

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#28 2 years ago

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truemagoo102

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Thanks again for doing this Logan! I just messaged all the interested people who emailed me links to this thread. Looks great!

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#29 2 years ago

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Quoted from pinballplusMN:
I would like to see the whole wire form redesigned for bk2k. It would.be nice if the top wireform had an opening to a wireform feeding the left return lane. The right drop wireform could stay in place. It would mix the flow up a bit.

I did not know if it was a good idea as this game is right flipper heavy? I can make it so the locked balls dump to left flipper, but would anyone be interested in such a mod? I am up to building anything for the game. I am suprised at how much I like it so far. Any thoughts?

Quoted from truemagoo102:
Thanks again for doing this Logan! I just messaged all the interested people who emailed me links to this thread. Looks great!

Thank you Sir. Appreciate it alot.

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#30 2 years ago

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Quoted from Loganpinball:
I did not know if it was a good idea as this game is right flipper heavy? I can make it so the locked balls dump to left flipper, but would anyone be interested in such a mod? I am up to building anything for the game. I am suprised at how much I like it so far. Any thoughts?

Thank you Sir. Appreciate it alot.

I would try a mod to either:
a)go to the right inlane so you can't trap immediately or
b) have everything go to the left inlane (or maybe just from the WAR targets?)

This game is unfortunately labeled a one flipper only game for a reason- and it's the main reason I ended up selling mine. I could play a 5 minute ball pretty consistently and I felt bad people just watching me trap and flip left orbit all day.

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#31 2 years ago

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#32 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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Quoted from truemagoo102:
I would try a mod to either:
a)go to the right inlane so you can't trap immediately or
b) have everything go to the left inlane (or maybe just from the WAR targets?)
This game is unfortunately labeled a one flipper only game for a reason- and it's the main reason I ended up selling mine. I could play a 5 minute ball pretty consistently and I felt bad people just watching me trap and flip left orbit all day.

On it! Stay tuned...

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#33 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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Dementia in full swing. First clue in left hand.

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#34 2 years ago

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Quoted from Loganpinball:
First clue in left hand.

It looks like you might need to rename the game "Black Rose Knight 2000" once you're done ...

This pin is my favorite of all time ... I *really* like where you are heading with this mod!!!!

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#35 2 years ago

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Quoted from megadeth2600:
It looks like you might need to rename the game "Black Rose Knight 2000" once you're done ...
This pin is my favorite of all time ... I *really* like where you are heading with this mod!!!!

Homage to the sword on black knight. Ball will go to left and right slimgs

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#36 2 years ago

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I’m interested. Just waiting for the word ans will send money!

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#37 2 years ago

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pinballplusMN

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Next could be pinbot. Have a wireform that would exit mini playfield on left side and feed the left return lane. It could have a microswitch on it to score 20k vortex value.

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#38 2 years ago

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Quoted from Loganpinball:
Homage to the sword on black knight. Ball will go to left and right slimgs
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What an awesome idea. Having the stock original replacement and the ability to install the SWORD is really appealing.

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#39 2 years ago

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Almost done with the sword! Catches multiball and “w”. The “a”and “r” will be tied into playfield drop. I have a alternating mech that I copied from data east in my discovery machine and will add it to sword so balls will alternate left to right rail.

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#40 2 years ago

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That is cool! Hats off to your creativity and skills. I am interested in just one of the reproduction wire forms with the spring for my game. If being able to cradle the multi ball to easily is a problem, wouldn't using the longer WPC coil stops for the flippers help?

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#41 2 years ago

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johnjones

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Nice to see this coming together for BK2000.
Im definitely in for a new original wireform as well as a replacement for the front edge wireform along the
front of the upper playfield if you get to that one as well.
I have been trying to track both of these wireforms for probably 7-8 years so I can put the finish
on my BK2000 project pin.
Thanks again to all for moving this forward.

Best Regards,
John

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#42 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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Test left ramp. Added drops.

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#43 2 years ago

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I somehow missed this post until Loganpinball sent me the link. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus. I love it.

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#44 2 years ago

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Quoted from Coyote:
I somehow missed this post until Loganpinball sent me the link. Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus. I love it.

I am distracting myself as I went to er with blood pressure issues last wednesday. This is just keeping me busy. But, thanks! Working out other side now.

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#45 2 years ago

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Quoted from Loganpinball:
I am distracting myself as I went to er with blood pressure issues last wednesday. This is just keeping me busy. But, thanks! Working out other side now.[quoted image]

Love it. If you can get enough force off out of that right inland ramp the game's a totally different (and better IMO) game.

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#46 2 years ago

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Loganpinball

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The ball speed is to great from upper playfield to drop onto this wireform right lane drop. It rebounds and dead stops. I cut it out and rewelded main form. I just need to add alternating mech and finish upper to lowet drop.