Black Knight 2000 Club - Knights of the Lightning Wheel.

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Black Knight 2000 Club - Knights of the Lightning Wheel.


By NextoPin

4 years ago



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#1 4 years ago

I have recently picked up a Black Knight 2000 as my first pin. I didn't see a club for it so I created this one.

Please post your Black Knight 2000 Pictures, stories, mods, issues or anything related to Black Knight 2000.

Here's My Black Knight 2000. It's currently a work in progress. I have some mods planned to light the drawbridge and add some lighting above the lanes under the upper playfield.

EDIT: And I need to remove that crappy diamond plate sticker on the sides from the previous owner.

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Post edited by NextoPin: Changed topic name

#3 4 years ago

Thanks Wayout. I searched but it didn't show up, it's even tagged with Black Knight 2000. I guess I'll remove this topic if I can.

EDIT: I see no option to delete the topic. Maybe a moderator can merge or delete them.

1 month later
#4 3 years ago

Well, I think I'm going to stick with this thread, Tried to edit my previous post but can't.

I'd like to see what other owners are doing with their BK2K's and how they handle some of the issues with the machine.

Some of my issues are:

The ball doesn't always start lightning wheel when dropping in from the hidden hole on the upper playfield, it's about 50/50 whether it comes out the spin lane on the lower playfield.

Sometimes, if there is alot going on, or modes like Knights Challenge start when another sound is playing, I get weird audio, is this normal for a system 11 or could there be issues with my sound board?

I need to take a picture of this but at the upper right corner of the upper playfield I have 3 pegs with a rubber around it but I looked at another BK2K and it has 3 pegs but the rubber is only around 2 of them on the pop bumper side and the 3rd, by the loop switch is a rubber peg like between the lanes on the lower playfield. How is this supposed to be set up? Currently loops are hard because the ball sometimes (most times) hits this rubber and drops the ball in the WIN lanes, usually 'N'. As a consequence getting multipliers and RANSOM letters is easier than I think it should be, this rubber also stops the ball from going around the loop to the upper flipper when the ball is launched.

According to Steve Ritchie himself (Attached), the ball should come out of the wireform and around the bend and pass in front of the upper flipper on launch. This happens maybe 1 out of 10 times on a full plunge.

I love my BK2K, I don't think I'll ever part with it. Please share your BK2K pics,stories and questions!

Williams_1989_Black_Knight_2000_An_Important_Message_To_Operators.pdf

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#5 3 years ago

I made this BK2000 backglass carving back in '04. It has it's own thread, but since you asked for mods, what the heck. Here you go:

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#6 3 years ago

WOW!!!! That carving is amazing!!!

to the OP - My BK2K rarely comes around to the flipper from the plunge shot. Maybe 2 out of 10 times?

I will try to get pics of that area for you, but in the meantime.....

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#7 3 years ago
Quoted from JoelOmatik:

I made this BK2000 backglass carving back in '04. It has it's own thread, but since you asked for mods, what the heck. Here you go:

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Link Please! That's awesome!

#8 3 years ago

SilverUnicorn, That's a nice looking BK2K!

Anyone else have the issue where kickback hits the drop target and goes immediately back into kickback then back into the target then back into kickback?

Also, reading the PDF from Steve it says that there is an adjustable post on the right outlane near Magna Save, has anyone adjusted this post?

My 7 year old son asked me this last night and I didn't know the answer, we are going to try it next time we have the glass off.

If you get 3 ball multiball and spell WIN and light RANSOM and you have RANSO and jackpot is lit, what happens if you make the drawbridge ramp? Do you get anything extra for getting jackpot and RANSOM at the same time?

#10 3 years ago
Quoted from NextoPin:

SilverUnicorn, That's a nice looking BK2K!
Anyone else have the issue where kickback hits the drop target and goes immediately back into kickback then back into the target then back into kickback?
Also, reading the PDF from Steve it says that there is an adjustable post on the right outlane near Magna Save, has anyone adjusted this post?
My 7 year old son asked me this last night and I didn't know the answer, we are going to try it next time we have the glass off.
If you get 3 ball multiball and spell WIN and light RANSOM and you have RANSO and jackpot is lit, what happens if you make the drawbridge ramp? Do you get anything extra for getting jackpot and RANSOM at the same time?

Thanks. It is far from perfect, especially the upper playfield. If fields are ever made, this would be the first one I would buy.

I have had the kickback issue every now and then. Normally it does it twice then stays in play.

RANSOM superceeds the Jackpot (I think). Good questions thought. I may need to re-create this scenario!

Chris

#11 3 years ago

I love my BK2K.
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#12 3 years ago

Dang! I love your bk2k too. Look at that shine!

#13 3 years ago

It's shiny alright!

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#14 3 years ago
Quoted from o-din:

I love my BK2K.

"You are champion"

#15 3 years ago

BK2K is a great follow up to the classic.

#16 3 years ago

So what settings does everyone use?

Since the kids play a bit we have it set to easy with magna save set to 3 seconds, ransom disabled on the lightning wheel and ransom mode set to 30 seconds instead of 25. My son commented the other night that he would like to change it to medium. Special is set to extra ball with a max of 3 extra balls.

Eventually we want to set it so you have to earn kickback and magna save and no free spin. Redeyes machine was set up like that at allentown and for some reason the kid wants ours like that. It will make the games shorter for sure.

Has anyone pulled their Mylar off? I hear there are some restorers who won't even attempt it on a BK2K.

4 weeks later
#17 3 years ago

After visiting PAPA we decided to set it to hard.

No Magnasave at start
No Free Spins
No WAR memory
Drawbridge closes after every lock
Magnasave set to 3 seconds
Replay and Special set to extra balls, Max 3

The BK2K at PAPA was unplayable and arguably in the worst condition of any game that wasn't already turned off. I was very disappointed. In speaking with some folks there it appears it's been like that for years. Lights were dim and the upper flipper was so weak you couldn't lock a ball. On Sunday I was able to get a tech to look at it, he believes that the upper flipper has the wrong return spring but wasn't interested in changing it out.

I get that they like to make the games challenging at PAPA but this was unplayable and had none of the flow that BK2K is supposed to have. If they want to make it more challenging, using the settings above would be a good start (I believe it is already set to the above settings), there is a movable post by magnasave that can make the outlane larger also.

It's a shame, It's such a fun and exciting game when it's playing right but it seems like they almost neglect it on purpose given it's condition, it really just needs a good shop job and have the flippers properly rebuilt and maybe a little board work. As it is now, it should be removed from the floor as it's a horrible example of the game.

#18 3 years ago

What do owners think the value of a HUO perfect BK2K is? I need to make some room and need to decide on 1 game to part with.

I can put up pictures but basically the thing is perfect in all aspects. Only none stock part is I put in NVRAM and the backbox lock was drilled at one time so missing the factory latch mech.

#19 3 years ago

I think I remember pics of that game when you got it Hilton.

Glad I have one, or I might have had to give up my other kidney

Chris

#20 3 years ago
Quoted from Whysnow:

What do owners think the value of a HUO perfect BK2K is? I need to make some room and need to decide on 1 game to part with.

$3000+

Not many out there that aren't beat. I know a guy that is looking for a nice one if you decide to sell.

#21 3 years ago

I bought a BK2000 last week. Thanks again Jay!. I am confused about the extra ball settings. At first it was giving an extra ball at 1M then it was 1.6M now it is at 1.9M. Why is this happening. I have looked through the settings and can't figure out how to set it. Thanks

#22 3 years ago

BK2K has what is called "Auto replay percentaging" or something like that. I would guess that first, your machine is set to award an extra ball for a replay score rather than a free game.

Once you hit the free play score (say, 1M), the machine automatically raises the score needed to achieve the free game on the next game., If it is reached again, it will go up again, and so on. It is a way for the machine to keep someone from being on the same game all day long because they can score a certain point value.

If you miss the point value set for a free game during any certain game, the machine will then lower the score needed on the subsequent game after that until it is reached. I think this started on High Speed, and honestly is a pretty cool feature.

Chris

#23 3 years ago

SilverUnicorn, That is it. Pretty cool feature if it automatically adjusts downward also. I have been trying to beat my sons high score and need all of the extra balls I can get. Thanks for explaining.

#24 3 years ago

The default auto replay is 10% and works just as SilverUnicorn explained. If you make it, the next game is 10% more, if not, it's 10% less, I think there is a minimum though.

I changed my settings to hard and enjoy the game much more now (and it pisses me off much more now also).

Download the manual, you can see what all of the settings are, and what they do.
http://mirror2.ipdb.org/files/311/Williams_1989_Black_Knight_2000_Manual.pdf

I also lowered my magnasave time from the default 5 seconds to 3 seconds to try and reduce the wear on the magnasave graphics, not sure why they didn't put a circle of mylar there.

#25 3 years ago
Quoted from NextoPin:

I also lowered my magnasave time from the default 5 seconds to 3 seconds to try and reduce the wear on the magnasave graphics, not sure why they didn't put a circle of mylar there.

Anyone have one of those $6-8 decals over their magnasave? Mine is pretty beat right above the magnet, although I'm not sure how a fancy sticker is going to look/play.

One of these: http://www.marcospecialties.com/pinball-parts/CA-16E

#26 3 years ago

I know this is somewhat ghetto, but I took a small piece of aluminum tape and traced around a dime with an exacto knife and placed it in the center of the magnasave to keep the ball from wearing out that spot any worse until I could get to restoring it. The sticker would do pretty much the same thing, but I didn't want to have issues removing it once I went to restore it.

I don't think the sticker would alter play any more than the edges of the mylar do.

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#27 3 years ago

I am loving BK2K. I do have a question though. Why do many of my plastics differ from those above.

Examples

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#28 3 years ago

Does anyone know if Reproduction playfields will ever be done??? I cannot believe this game has not been run??

#29 3 years ago
Quoted from jmountjoy111:

I am loving BK2K. I do have a question though. Why do many of my plastics differ from those above.
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There were 2 different plastics sets. The earlier, "Futuristric" set, and the later, but not much, "Castle" set. It is believed that they thought the fit the theme betyer, but I don't know. I have seen many with the "futuristic" sets, including the 2 I have owned, and just as many with the castle sets. I don't think that one set make it more valuable than another. Dor what it is worth, CPR remade the castle sets.

Chris

#30 3 years ago
Quoted from SilverUnicorn:

There were 2 different plastics sets. The earlier, "Futuristric" set, and the later, but not much, "Castle" set. It is believed that they thought the fit the theme betyer, but I don't know. I have seen many with the "futuristic" sets, including the 2 I have owned, and just as many with the castle sets. I don't think that one set make it more valuable than another. Dor what it is worth, CPR remade the castle sets.
Chris

I got you. It seems like a ton of these games have little differences like this. It just seems impractical that they would make all these changes mid run. But it is cool to see all the different stuff. Thanks.

#31 3 years ago

Anyone have a BK2K backglass for sale?
Yes, I bought a project missing the backglass.

#32 3 years ago

I did the same but I found one before buying. I got mine from mayfair. I think I read cpr was looking for one to remake them

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#33 3 years ago

Here's one I can't find an answer to:

Did they ever come with black legs?. I have the illuminati plastics version and black legs. I thought that someone had replaced them, but the legs on the BK2K in pinball arcade are black and it also has the futuristic plastics.

#34 3 years ago
Quoted from NextoPin:

Here's one I can't find an answer to:
Did they ever come with black legs?. I have the illuminati plastics version and black legs. I thought that someone had replaced them, but the legs on the BK2K in pinball arcade are black and it also has the futuristic plastics.

Hmmmm, not really sure on that one. Mine have all had chrome legs. The flyers show chrome legs as well, but on IPDB.org, there is one with black legs in one of the photos. Hard to know if they were changed out, but in my opinion, the black legs look good.

Chris

#35 3 years ago

Mine has black legs as well. They could have been changed but I'm pretty sure the game hadn't been cleaned since it was new so I couldn't imagine the legs being changed.

#36 3 years ago

Is there any way to see how early in the manufacturing run a machine was made using the serial number?

#37 3 years ago

Since we are comparing, take a look at this pic. See how one of the legs on the ball track is longer than the other by about 1/8th inch? Mine were even. I think this adds rotation to the ball twards the sling as if falls off the end of the chute.

I think this change happened when the plastics were redesigned. This pic is from the BK2K at PAPA HQ that has the castle plastics. Mine as I said, has the 'Eye' Plastics.

Sorry for the blurry pic.

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#38 3 years ago
Quoted from NextoPin:

Since we are comparing, take a look at this pic. See how one of the legs on the ball track is longer than the other by about 1/8th inch? Mine were even. I think this adds rotation to the ball twards the sling as if falls off the end of the chute.
I think this change happened when the plastics were redesigned. This pic is from the BK2K at PAPA HQ that has the castle plastics. Mine as I said, has the 'Eye' Plastics.
Sorry for the blurry pic.

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Mine is offset like in the picture but it comes right into the flipper when it drops.

#39 3 years ago

Sorry, I didn't mean it went into the sling, just twards it. Do you have the castle plastics?

#40 3 years ago

Mine is from the "eye" or "futuristic" plastics era, and my wireform seems to have the same longer leg on it.

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#41 3 years ago

Strange.

I was able to locate a technical drawing of this part in an attempt to recreate it and the blueprint shows these as the same length.

#42 3 years ago

Are all of your star posts clear? Mine are blue except for the ones behind the left targets, a couple next to the knights challenge hole under the upper playfield and the 2 behind the drawbridge.

Funny all the little differences.

#43 3 years ago

Yes, all my posts are clear. The posts on my old BK2K were clear also.

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#44 3 years ago

I have the castle plastics. And yes clear star posts all around.

#45 3 years ago

No one here has a spare set of slingshot plastics they would like to sell do you? I actually only need the right one and would buy a used one if not broken. I figured it was worth asking. I hate to have to get a whole set for one plastic

#46 3 years ago
Quoted from jmountjoy111:

No one here has a spare set of slingshot plastics they would like to sell do you? I actually only need the right one and would buy a used one if not broken. I figured it was worth asking. I hate to have to get a whole set for one plastic

Send me a PM. I won't be around until the weekend, but I can check for you.

Chris

#47 3 years ago

If you can't find them, you might be able to make a set, there are a few guides on making them with a color laser printer and water slide decals.

https://pinside.com/pinball/forum/topic/my-guide-to-making-your-own-reproduction-plastics

#48 3 years ago
Quoted from jmountjoy111:

No one here has a spare set of slingshot plastics they would like to sell do you? I actually only need the right one and would buy a used one if not broken. I figured it was worth asking. I hate to have to get a whole set for one plastic

Sent you a PM on these. Let me know.

Chris

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#49 3 years ago

I rebuilt my two right flippers yesterday and have a question. The top flipper now allows a much easier top loop than before which I am really enjoying, however it seems like I can't get up the drawbridge at all. I am wondering if the top flipper is misadjusted. When it is down should it be touching the wall or should it be slightly outward? Thanks

#50 3 years ago

it should go in line with the ball guide. if it's against the wall it won't have enough travel to get the ramp the way it should. You should be able to put it into the bumpers with the upper flipper, though you might not be able to with how fast the new flippers will rip the ball around the loop, but on a plunge or out of the bumpers you should be able to get it to both sides of the ramp.

Here's a setup guide (I think I posted this above)

http://mirror2.ipdb.org/files/311/Williams_1989_Black_Knight_2000_An_Important_Message_To_Operators.pdf

It show's the flipper against the wall, but that's not how I have mine, but I haven't upgraded the upper flipper.

You will have a bit less travel until the stop breaks in a little also. It might get better as it breaks in.

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