Hey guys, I'll be the proud owner of a BH as of this weekend. I'm very excited and will be joining the club here once I do. Putting it right next to my Haunted House.

Does anyone have the dimensions for the body of the game? Could I assume its exactly the same size as my HH (55"L x 25"W)? I'm planning out the vehicle to use for this pickup.

I did a quick look on google, as well as Pinside and didn't find anything definitive.

Fantastic. Thank you for the info Steve!

Anyone have an extra one of these BH key rings they would be willing to part with? They come up on eBay from time to time, but I haven't seen one since the summer. I'm getting my BH this weekend and would love one of these keychains for my lock. Pictured below is the one I have for my HH and it would be cool to have matching sets.

Thanks. Can't wait to have my re-entry hang in the balance game after game!

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Thanks man, I shot him an email just now and will report back if it's a go or not. But this is exactly what I was looking for, if he does pinball versions.

Actually, he just got back to me that he is no longer making or selling keychains.

Oh well, thanks anyways for the potential lead!

Great idea. Thanks man. I might actually just try that.

When I'm on your level of a collection, I too would have a master key.

Hey guys, quick question about gameplay. I think I know the answer, because this is what's happening when I play, but I just wanted to be sure it's normal.

When I have two or more players, and someone captures a ball in the lower level black hole, that ball stays captured for every other player after that until one of the players gets a multi-ball.

I also play exclusively on 3 ball. Is this normal behavior overall, and is this the same for 5 ball games?

Thanks!

And while I'm at it... Can someone please tell me what this number in the 'ball in play' display represents when a game is over? I see a random number pop up and never know what means.

Thanks!

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Mine does show the 1, 2, or 3 for which ball I'm on when i'm in the middle of a game, but when a game is over I get one of these random numbers. I often see this in other machines where it randomly throws you a random round number like this, but I never knew what it means.

Thank you guys! Loving my Black Hole. As I'm learning more about game in general, and the angles I can take to attack the key shots of the game, I'm getting more consistent reaching multi-ball. This game is a lot of fun.

Hey guys, quick question regarding the BH spinning disk and I apologize if this has been covered several times over in this thread.

My game has two screws in the face of the disk, just like the picture attached, taken from the Pinwiki BH repair site.

Can someone tell me if this is the way it's always been from factory? There is a hole in the middle of those screws as if it was intentionally to be fixed to a single rod.

Also, since mine has the screws, I think it would look better if they were black. Does anyone have a resource to find the right size screws in black to hide them within the art better?

Thank you!

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Thanks guys. If I can't find black flat head screws to go in there, I will go with Colson's route. Great idea.

Does anyone have a spare BH spinning disk they would be willing to part with? Mine has some imperfections, wear & tear, etc.

Feel free to PM if you do.

Thank you!

Thank you Brian! This problem is officially solved thanks to you.

This is just another example of how awesome the pin community is and truly looks out for each other.

I am very thankful.

Hey guys, so I'm curious about what BH's were like originally coming off the assembly line. Just so when I see a game out there for sale saying it's an all original, which I happen to personally like, I know what to look for.

I've seen some games out there with chrome legs and some with black legs. I've also seen games with the chrome acorn speed nuts holding down plastics and some with the white rubber tops (I believe the bottom PF always had the whites and tops had chrome).

I know we said the spinning disks originally had flush black flat-head screws holding it on, and others with a single rod.

What did a factory BH look like? The official flyers only show so much and usually the legs are below the frame.

Any insight is much appreciated here.

I think you're right about the flyers and it being proto machines featured. I just personally like it and when pursuing a game, I would want a machine for sale that much more if it were all original parts, matching serial numbers, etc. I can't really explain the reason other than the fascination that the game was able to stay together for it's life. With how much abuse these games go through over the years, especially older titles released before it was common to own your own machine and have it be HUO, seeing a game in a preserved state is almost like it's frozen in time untouched.

Now, having a game be all together with original parts doesn't always mean no wear and tear. The HH I found in '15, it was literally stored in a basement since '87, and so it was like a time capsule, but it did have the usual wear on the drop points. And with that comes the catch that none of the bulletproofing was done to it and the battery leaked a little, but overall I would buy it all over again and now that I have the guts of it updated, the playfield parts are literally the ones put on from the factory, except for rubbers and the clear window. Those needed replacing of course.

But for the record, I wouldn't expect someone to pay more for my game because it was all original. Just personal preference.

Here is a photo of what I believe is the factory legs for system 80s, or at least BH/HH. Not sure but I believe a long time pinhead once told me these legs have these extra support indents to make them beefier to handle the weight of these monsterous games, but I could be wrong on what he meant.

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Does anyone have a spare BH spinning backglass disc they would be willing to part with? Mine has some imperfections, wear & tear, etc.

Feel free to PM if you do.

Thank you!

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Awesome! Glad to finally know what style the original legs are. Doesn't matter to some, but to me I like to get these as original as possible. Will look for some smooth system 80 legs at my next show (Allentown) or see what shipping from PBR will run me. I have to place an order with them anyways.

Yeah, I think my order will be over $100, especially tacking on these legs. You get 10% off too with orders over $100. I'll ask if the shipping discounts are available too.

I can look at the manual, but just to confirm while we're here and on the topic, all four legs on the BH are 27", right?