Nice, put me on the list

It must be something very special for that price.

To be honest, I think we need some side-by-side videos to show the improvement to justify that kind of price.

Yes, side by side would be great!

Just watched your videos comeoared to my game and I can’t tell a difference outside of the color of the material. Haha

Okay so this is a solution for those that cannot or don’t want to play in a room where the room lighting can be controlled?

I think it’s worth it just to make the game look better when its off. People pay 300 for a lockdown bar button sculpt but won’t pay 240 to enhance the main feature of the prem/le?

I'm in

Got it. Thanks! Too rich for my blood and I worry about their ability to withstand the ball smashing into them, but I look forward to hearing people’s reviews of them!

Thanks for putting this together.

In if my ramp concern is addressed. See below.

Before I sink this much money in this I need to see what the ramps look like though. I am concerned that given the angle the ramp animations may actually look worse with the black diamond. Show us some game play with target animations and JACKPOT ramp animations please.

Definitely following to see side-by-side comparisons in-game. Ideally, one half of the game would be original and the other half with Black Diamond. That way we could see not only the difference on the vertical surfaces, but also on the curved and sloped ramps.

I play in a darkened basement, so this isn't a HUGE need for me, but the projector is so central to the mood and visuals, that I would be in if it was a significant upgrade across all the target surfaces.

1) Munsters
2) Pinlawyer
3)Jecco74

I can tell you all--as somebody who installed the Black Diamond material a year ago--it makes a HUGE difference in the image being projected. It's like going from a blu-ray disk to a 4k with HDR. The contrast is better, the colors pop much better because they're not washed out by the white screen, and the viewing angle from all angles is terrific because the material is designed to be used in a home theater. I do think the price is high...I paid about $30 to get two samples from the company. But these are precut (cutting and fitting the pieces was a bitch), and he did have to pay for shipping to Europe (and shipping back to North America if it's included in the cost).

One question: How do you get it to wrap around the ramp and other curved surfaces??? It's such thick material, I have no idea how you could get it to stick reliably. I just left the white panels on my ramps and did the main screen and all the targets.

I used the same one from the same company that makes Black Diamond. I mean, it's not THICK-thick...but even though it flexes and can bend into shapes, I would think it would create tension on the bends that would eventually weaken any adhesive and would detach. That's all I'm saying. But I think it's awesome you're offering this to people - where were you last year???

I'd be in at half the price

Usually high contrast material works well for home theatre because it doesn't reflect off angle light well (stray lighting). Therefore if you are projecting at a 15-20 degree angle (ramps) I would really like to see how reflective the material is. Also, does it stand up to having a steel ball running on it at high speeds repeatedly as well? I am a total believer for the other surfaces. I just can't see how the ramps would work well.

The main screen in the game is just eye candy. It's the other surfaces that really matter. Targets, ramps, spinner. I really want to see some gameplay and not just the test image.

I've been playing with it for a year. You can't even tell my targets have been hit repeatedly with steel balls. With the white targets, you almost immediately had the grey/black lines across the targets. You can't see it at all with this stuff. It seems indestructable.

Believe me when I say I have no horse in this race. Don't care one iota if you get it or not. For me, I'm glad I did - it's a huge improvement.

OK I'll take your word for it.

Jecco74 add me back to the list.

I guarantee the only thing you'll be disappointed in is the price.

Oh I am... lol..

I just don't think I could source the material cheaply here up North.

FFS the OP is not forcing anyone at gunpoint to buy this product. If you have a problem with the price then by all means feel free to offer up something similar to the group for less money.

Don't get touchy now. If you read my earlier post, he's providing a great service to STh owners and is entitled to charge whatever he likes. I hope he makes a ton off it...I really do. I, however, am entitled to bust balls (and have them busted back). I don't mean any disrespect by it, nor am I trying to damage his business. In fact, it looks like my endorsement of his product got him a sale.

And PS - I'm happy to keep bumping his thread so it gets more attention.

I wasn't referring to you and if anything thought quite the opposite.

My apologies!

I think the price is very fair. In a time when people are paying $2000 for a topper or $500 for 2 LED light strips I think it is very fair.

This would be awesome for you STh guys!! I have one of these projector screens for my home theater. It is beyond amazing!

Again...having to cut all those pieces yourself is a royal pain in the ass. So yes...one might argue that the price is fair and have a valid point.

Are you being cranky again?

Guys- This stuff is called Black Diamond. The half-price stuff is called Black Cubic Zirconia.

LMAO

What do you mean, again?

ROFL, good point.

I'm interested once the price is fully established and the product is ready (including knowing what shipping to the US brings it to). Also, are these precut or just traced on the uncut sheet?

I currently have a 130” black diamond screen in my theater and used the same screen in a previous theater. I play with the lights off 99% of the time.

Put me on the list.

Add me to the list after
MrMikeman
Pinpickle
Mank

Sorry if I missed someone in between

If it's the genuine Black Diamond material from Screen Innovations, it is indeed expensive material that would pose some risk to the seller if not popular enough, so the price would be justified in that case (provided the results are as stated).

I've been testing as much as I can for my own game as the stock washing out of the screen has made me feel nausea.

By far the greatest improvement I've made thus far is putting 1-3 layers of cardstock into all of the arrow inserts (planning on adding some to nearly every insert--it's also made the inserts better diffused and more pleasant to look at), and am about to experiment with some 3D printed cones to place on the sling LEDs to prevent light from going toward the screen (removing those LEDs after the other fixes shows it would make a giant difference).

I also discreetly blocked out the back half of the right ramp flasher, and removed the LED at the left of the shooter lane exit for now (one of the worst offenders).

After that, many of the materials that improved the quality with the stock lighting, no longer looked as good as the stock white screen.

Still hoping to try Black Diamond 1.4 at some point. Been very interesting to see how much of a difference each material makes.

What I originally thought would be great proved to be too shimmery once applied to the full main screen.

I don't care if it shows a big improvement, I will just play in the dark before I pay that kind of money.

Interesting ideas by Medisinyl . I have a lot of mods and money wrapped up in my StHLE. I complained about the price, but I’ll probably be on the list once the final pricing is established.