Ok, if you want to play around with words to make it seem like he was innocent.

TG never said he used MAME, they always maintained that the video artifacts shown in the videos he provided could not be replicated on original hardware. Please show me where TG officially communicated that the reason they banned Billy was because he used MAME.

EDIT: Turns out in the summary decision they did specifically say he used MAME

So you've literally just contradicted yourself in the same post. Didn't you just say that TG banned him because he had used MAME?

This is how Team Billy works, don't address any of the accusations, issue out conflicting statements and point fingers everywhere else and say it's a conspiracy.

The guy cheated, get over it.

Actually, I was wrong. They did say he used MAME.

And if you read the summary decision, like I just did, you'll see that they specifically say 'Jeremy's assertion concluded that not only can original Donkey Kong arcade hardware not produce the board transition images shown in the recordings, but that these transitions were actually generated through the use of MAME (emulation software.)'

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800/page326

So they did ban him for using MAME. He did use non-original hardware. These two phrases are not mutually exclusive, they can mean the same thing, that Billy cheated. Classic Team Billy, try to muddy the waters with what is a very simple premise.

Again, classic Team Billy. Completely ignore the pages and pages of analysis where they found multiple times in the tapes Billy submitted video artifacts that could only be produced by MAME output. In case you missed it (or you are just being ignorant), I'll link it for you:

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800?p=946633&viewfull=1#post946633

There's your proof, right there. If you want to choose to completely ignore that, that's fine, you don't hand out the records, Twin Galaxies does.

If you read the thread, like I did, you can see them narrow down to the specific version of MAME and command line options he used to do it. There's your 'how'.

Again, if you read the thread, you'll see they went out of their way to give Billy the option to discuss their findings, which he refused to do, sending his fanboys instead. You'll also see they went to the trouble of completely replicating the setup Billy used to see if they could duplicate the MAME artifacts on original hardware, they couldn't. They gave Billy every single chance to come forward to clear up the mess over the course of several months and he chose to ignore them completely, so they stripped him of his records.

No one cares if he can hit a million now, plenty of people can do that. Billy is just upset that his sponsorship deals are drying up so he's trying to get himself relevant again by using his fanboy base to try and push a narrative of 'TG set him up', which if you look at the facts just simply isn't true.

Get yourself out of the Team Billy bubble, sit down and read that thread, it's extremely comprehensive. Much more comprehensive than anything Team Billy have pushed out.

Please provide a source for this claim. I was gracious enough to provide sources to back up my claims, I would expect you to do the same.

That's why they took down the mention of Mame in the final verdict.

As I stated in my correctly cited post, they did mention MAME in the final verdict. As you seemed to have missed it the first time, here it is again:

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800?p=964048&viewfull=1#post964048

Jeremy’s assertion concluded that not only can original Donkey Kong arcade hardware not produce the board transition images shown in the recordings, but that these transitions were actually generated through the use of MAME (emulation software.)

The rules for submitting scores for the original arcade Donkey Kong competitive leaderboards requires the use of original arcade hardware only. The use of MAME or any other emulation software for submission to these leaderboards is strictly forbidden.

You seem to be wilfully ignoring anything that contradicts your belief that Billy didn't cheat, that's classic Team Billy behaviour.

At the end of the day, it doesn't even matter if he used MAME or not, the stone cold fact is that there is no way for an arcade board to display those transitions. Even the guy Billy himself chose to represent him came to the same conclusion. All TG had to do was prove that original hardware wasn't used, it was just the cherry on the cake that they managed to figure out the version and command line options he used to fake his run.

Nice, now you've given me something to work with rather than just conjecture...

What is your point here? Your argument was:

That's why they took down the mention of Mame in the final verdict.

You said they removed any mention of MAME in the final verdict, yet they mention it several times. So could you clarify what exactly is your argument here?

This is incorrect. You can get pre 0.116 versions to display the artifacts if you use the correct command line options, which if you had read the thread you would have noted. Hell someone managed to get a version from 2001 to show the artifacts:

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800?p=957937&viewfull=1#post957937

Now that we've covered the 'Nuh uh, he would have to have used a time machine for that MAME version', shall we move onto the fact that 2 of the videos he submitted had the incorrect rotation for a direct feed? As in he used the wrong -ror option to match a directfeed setup?

Or the board swap video he himself admitted was faked?

The fact that no one saw him actually play the machine during one of the high score attempts, with the video being streamed from 'another room'.

In my opinion, it's all moot because of my last point:

It's been proven by his own technician he didn't use original hardware, the rules require that original hardware is to be used. If he didn't follow the rules, then he cheated and his scores were invalid. Although it makes for interesting discussions and it's good to cover every single angle possible when making serious accusations like this, it really doesn't matter what he used to record his high score runs, only that it's been proven to not be original hardware.

Every single argument Team Billy has provided has shown to be demonstrably false, yet people still think it's a conspiracy. If you want, we can cover each argument in turn. Just so we are clear, so far we've covered:

1. TG couldn't prove it was MAME - They don't need to, just that it wasn't original hardware
2. That version of MAME didn't exist at the time - Versions of MAME existed as far back as 2001 that displayed the same artifacts

Would you like to pick a number 3 to discuss?

No problem. Here's the thing, Twin Galaxies took literally *months* to come to their decision because they wanted to cover every single angle as they knew how much of a slippery customer Billy and his fanboys can be. Speaking of which:

Can you please explain how this has any bearing whatsoever on the evidence he submitted for his 1M+ scores that was proven to be falsified? The board could have been sent by God himself, installed by Jesus and credited up by the Pope, but it makes sod all difference to the fact he submitted videos of footage that could not have come from an arcade machine.

Two points:

1. Billy was given ample opportunity to come forward and defend himself and he didn't. You have to ask yourself why is that?

2. What other side of the story is there? In all honesty, what single piece of information or evidence could Billy provide at this point which would disprove he sent illegitimate videos to TG in order to take back a world record?

Oh my word. So close to self awareness. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but if my child pointed at Billy Mitchell and asked 'Who's that?' I'd say:

'That's a dirty cheater, son. He lies as well. Don't be like Billy'