I want to stay up for a 3 day booger sugar bender with Gary Busey & Billy Mitchell

We’d need strippers tho to make sure it didn’t get too weird

Thanks
PW79

Please provide a source for this claim. I was gracious enough to provide sources to back up my claims, I would expect you to do the same.

That's why they took down the mention of Mame in the final verdict.

As I stated in my correctly cited post, they did mention MAME in the final verdict. As you seemed to have missed it the first time, here it is again:

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800?p=964048&viewfull=1#post964048

Jeremy’s assertion concluded that not only can original Donkey Kong arcade hardware not produce the board transition images shown in the recordings, but that these transitions were actually generated through the use of MAME (emulation software.)

The rules for submitting scores for the original arcade Donkey Kong competitive leaderboards requires the use of original arcade hardware only. The use of MAME or any other emulation software for submission to these leaderboards is strictly forbidden.

You seem to be wilfully ignoring anything that contradicts your belief that Billy didn't cheat, that's classic Team Billy behaviour.

At the end of the day, it doesn't even matter if he used MAME or not, the stone cold fact is that there is no way for an arcade board to display those transitions. Even the guy Billy himself chose to represent him came to the same conclusion. All TG had to do was prove that original hardware wasn't used, it was just the cherry on the cake that they managed to figure out the version and command line options he used to fake his run.

I wish somebody would accuse me of cheating.

Nice, now you've given me something to work with rather than just conjecture...

What is your point here? Your argument was:

That's why they took down the mention of Mame in the final verdict.

You said they removed any mention of MAME in the final verdict, yet they mention it several times. So could you clarify what exactly is your argument here?

This is incorrect. You can get pre 0.116 versions to display the artifacts if you use the correct command line options, which if you had read the thread you would have noted. Hell someone managed to get a version from 2001 to show the artifacts:

https://www.twingalaxies.com/showthread.php/176004-Dispute-Jeremy-Young-Arcade-Donkey-Kong-Points-Hammer-Allowed-Player-Billy-L-Mitchell-Score-1-062-800?p=957937&viewfull=1#post957937

Now that we've covered the 'Nuh uh, he would have to have used a time machine for that MAME version', shall we move onto the fact that 2 of the videos he submitted had the incorrect rotation for a direct feed? As in he used the wrong -ror option to match a directfeed setup?

Or the board swap video he himself admitted was faked?

The fact that no one saw him actually play the machine during one of the high score attempts, with the video being streamed from 'another room'.

In my opinion, it's all moot because of my last point:

It's been proven by his own technician he didn't use original hardware, the rules require that original hardware is to be used. If he didn't follow the rules, then he cheated and his scores were invalid. Although it makes for interesting discussions and it's good to cover every single angle possible when making serious accusations like this, it really doesn't matter what he used to record his high score runs, only that it's been proven to not be original hardware.

Every single argument Team Billy has provided has shown to be demonstrably false, yet people still think it's a conspiracy. If you want, we can cover each argument in turn. Just so we are clear, so far we've covered:

1. TG couldn't prove it was MAME - They don't need to, just that it wasn't original hardware
2. That version of MAME didn't exist at the time - Versions of MAME existed as far back as 2001 that displayed the same artifacts

Would you like to pick a number 3 to discuss?

I just imagine Billy Mitchell practicing Donkey Kong for 10 hours a day since he was proven cheating, as if getting a great score somehow will clear his name now. The allegation was never that he wasn’t a good enough player to get his records, it’s that he was proven submitting illegitimate videos.

Just because you’re a great player doesn’t mean you didn’t cheat. If Lance Armstrong got second place in the Tour De France today, no one would come to his defense and say “See, he is a great cyclist!” because he is forever a disgraced cheater no matter how much real skill he may have.

I thought it was interesting that his son blew through the post game hardware verification Blair Witch style. You couldn't see dips or board markings, the camera was bouncing all over.
Still...he played quite conservative on barrel boards, and left a lot of points on the table by purposely ending his game at 1 million even. There was room to score much higher, but still nowhere near Lakeman.

Wouldn’t be surprised if he passed out a magazine that had congratulations you just got to watch me post a live million score! Pumpkin eater!

This guy is the Pete Rose of Donkey Kong!

Ya, I’m amazed by billy’s Supporters; The burden of proof is on Billy not twin galaxies

Twin galaxies’ only requirement here is to prove that the record was not done on original hardware. -they have.

Twin galaxies has no responsibility to display how he did it. -although they put forth a good theory.

Billy has yet to prove that he can beat the record on original hardware.

I dunno man, someone would hehe. You can say almost anything on twitter nowadays.

I’ll say it, Lance Armstrong was a great cyclist. And a verified cheater. Plus by all acccounts a bully and a dick to boot. None of these are mutually exclusive.

Just like Billy Mitchell was clearly a great classic video game player. And also a cheater.

If either of them went on to win more events it would confirm what everyone already knows - they are extremely tallented in their respective fields. But it wouldn’t change the fact that they are proven cheaters, and that their old records don’t belong in the books.

You're welcome.
Todd

I don't get what Billy is trying to accomplish?

The damage is done, the history was made, and that will unfortunately be what folks remember. Yeah he was good but he cheated, got caught and records removed, its GAME OVER.

This clip just comes to mind.

Lmfao. Rob a bank. Get caught and go to jail. Wait there is an eye witness account of previously making a legitimate withdrawal at another bank...so that cancels out the bank robbery. Okay then.

Donkey Kong sucks anyway. How much can he high jump in track and field?

Well if the promotors are anything like the pinball guys that where clueless about the whole Jpop scam, I'd think he has nothing to worry about.

Now picture a dad at a video game conversation, his little kid pulling on his hand and pointing at the guy in the white suit and American tie, daddy who's that?
What do you tell your son.

This is an interesting conversation, but please refrain from the personal attacks. Thanks!

Are you using the pencil technique??

Explaining Billy Mitchell to a six year old...

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My signed poster just went up in value

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Yes. And on MAME.

Blake would just say, "Honey, that's daddy's mancrush".

Love him or hate him, can we at least all agree that he has the nicest hair of all the competition?

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And a little beard evny here too.

USA USA USA!!

Oh but definitely thanks for pointing Blake, like it or not to me it's fun and interesting.

As far as Lance Armstrong goes , I remember this guy at work who was a avid cycling fan and camp Lance all the way. When rumors of drugs and cheating came up he told me that his heart was 60% larger than others and that is what gave him the edge. It was like a gift from God. That's how I like to remember that story.

No problem. Here's the thing, Twin Galaxies took literally *months* to come to their decision because they wanted to cover every single angle as they knew how much of a slippery customer Billy and his fanboys can be. Speaking of which:

Can you please explain how this has any bearing whatsoever on the evidence he submitted for his 1M+ scores that was proven to be falsified? The board could have been sent by God himself, installed by Jesus and credited up by the Pope, but it makes sod all difference to the fact he submitted videos of footage that could not have come from an arcade machine.

Two points:

1. Billy was given ample opportunity to come forward and defend himself and he didn't. You have to ask yourself why is that?

2. What other side of the story is there? In all honesty, what single piece of information or evidence could Billy provide at this point which would disprove he sent illegitimate videos to TG in order to take back a world record?

Oh my word. So close to self awareness. You can believe whatever you want to believe, but if my child pointed at Billy Mitchell and asked 'Who's that?' I'd say:

'That's a dirty cheater, son. He lies as well. Don't be like Billy'

I've spent about 30 seconds looking into this, but it seems to me that Billy Mitchell himself admits that at least one tape he submitted to TG now shows clear indicia that it wasn't recorded on original equipment. This leaves a couple of possible arguments:

1) The original tape would have showed that Billy was using original equipment, but was intentionally tampered with after he submitted it to make it appear he was cheating. (Billy seems to have argued this at times, from what little I've read it sounds extremely unlikely, but then again OJ got off so maybe it creates a "reasonable doubt" for some fans)

2) The recorded performance wasn't on original equipment but it's not Billy's fault, because he bought the machine from a reputable source that vouched for it. I assume that's what all the emails and receipts are meant to show? Sort of a Barry Bonds "my shady trainer slipped those steroids into my shaving cream" defense.

3) Billy knowingly used non-original equipment in the recorded performance, but shouldn't have his other scores scrapped just because he was caught breaking the rules once.

Blake, which of these arguments do you find convincing? Or did I miss one?

Why don't you get me started by telling me which defense you subscribe to?

This perfectly illustrates everything wrong in this country in terms of how people are judged. Some guy gets a stupid drug charge in 1978 at 18 years old and that stays with him FOREVER. Can't get certain jobs , etc even though you paid the penalty for the crime. Why do things keep following you around. If Billy made mistakes, he has been punished, as long as he abides by the rules now he shouldn't get anymore shit. Put an asterisk on his name if you like but all you guys act like you never messed up before. I guess if you never got caught it doesn't count, right

Billy is a character of himself. He's good at video games, really good. He also cheated.

The end.

Hank Hill reference, he always pronounced it videa game,

This is what I'm talking about. You sound like a child. I'm not trying to be a jerk but guess what players on your favorite sports teams cheat all the time, they just try not to get caught. Baseball was best when they were all juicing anyway.

In what way am I trying to "bait" you into anything? I don't really care about Billy Mitchell or Donkey Kong scores, it's true, but I've found this thread to be interesting and entertaining. But how can we have a meaningful discussion if you won't tell me what you think actually happened?