What makes you think CM has still any involvement in Kingpin? It has been years without any news. They don’t own the name license also.
Kingpin is behind BBB IMO but I agree with you, it would be the perfect remake, along with BBB.

I’d be curious what contracts they had signed prior to the trademark expiring. What they can and can’t do is really just speculation at this time. They could have a very robust contract that was built on the old licenses and may be grandfathered in. We simply don’t know!

Now that Pulp Fiction is on the line with CGC, it doesn’t seem promising that a “new company” will pickup Kingpin.

Speculative theory based on history. If Circus Maximus lost licensing to Capcom games who has it now?

If speculations are true, that’s good news. Planetary Pinball has resources to bring this title to market.

CMG is out. Point.

We had this in an other thread:
BBB = PPS
KP = a dutch guy

This is for pinball and merchandise stuff
In the thread was a link to a website with informations about the rights, at least in the USA.
CMG had KP but made nothing within the licence for 5 years or so. So it seems not to be a loss.

Just like the Magic Girl/RAZA chatter. It doesn’t make financial sense to remake BBB at this point. The licensing nightmare alone has turned most off.

The one PPS has ?

LTG : )

Like Pedretti gaming perhaps?

Seriously, BBB is a decent game and nothing more. The hype is only because of its rarity and that most people haven't played it.

The dancing lady, the rotating heads and the slick ramp lights are cool and fits the theme, but the actual gameplay is only so-so imo.

The U shaped captive ball thing is actually pretty unique but not enough to sell the game.

The game might sell well if re-released but I think most owners will try to sell it quite soon after.

Wow, mind blown.

BBB demand has instantly evaporated due to this bombshell!

Pretty much, we've had one at the local pin museum for years and played it so many times.... it's just whatever. Really if it wasn't so rare, I doubt anyone would care about the game or look too fondly on it.

You know folks will buy it though just to have access to a formerly rare remake, doesn't matter if the game is good or not. As long as they keep it to a limited run of pins, I'm sure it will sell fine.

WUT?

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Or ones with extra lines like AP or CGC.

LTG : )

I think the game will sell just fine.

It would have to be the WMS attempt at BBB otherwise no matter what, Capcom is involved in the licensing. Gene mentioned that in his stories.

Then you get into the hardware, and it becomes clear it would have to be a completely new WMS BBB build. What new company wants to “start” by building a new game from the ground up?

I change my mind, BBB remake is definitely coming!!! Quickly sell me your boat anchor before it’s worthless!! I will gallantly burn my money, selflessly buying your worthless BBB for a very generous $5k.

Sell quick before the remake-remake comes!!

Which PPS has license rights.

Which PPS got as far as pinball was concerned.

Gene mentioned a lot. Years ago and long before recent developments.

I don't know if the BBB project is dead or going on. Though to go forward I don't think licensing is the main issue.

LTG : )

I do not agree. BBB is a great 90´s game.
The gameplay is great, the work with the diverters on the playfield is one of a kind. One rampshot can be devited on so many ways.
The theme is absolutely stunning, the humor is great. Animations and sound are perfect ! For a 90´s game !!
There was a reason that Williams was planning to build this pin.
The fluorocent art on cabinett and playfield , just great in blacklight. For me the best Capcom pinball, better than KP and all the others. Folowed by Pinball Magic but you have to love the static game.
Sure, from this decade we have many great games, but BBB is one of the better ones .... not due its rarity. Gamedesign, gameplay and the great art by Stan Fukuoka. The art is, for me, not only "pinball art", it is art in all aspects.

Balance the scoring, tweak and polish the rules and this would be a really good playing game. As-is, it does wear thin but the theme/art/music/voices really do carry it well. It'd sell with enhanced code. With Capcom's beta code, it's sell less, not sure if enough to do a run.

Aliens/sci-fi is so in right now with games

Alien, Foo Fighters, GTF, Final Resistance, Space Hunt, and now maybe BBB

(And I have a sneaky suspicion about another certain sci-fi show)

Been there done that but it is a beautiful game and I wish I still had mine $$$$$$$

I always thought the holdup with BBB remakes was the unique capcom chips and inability to flash new ones with the required software (as Gene was just remaking games with new old stock). As long as someone recreates it on a more modern platform then there really should be no issues beyond code debugging.

I doubt any CapCom hardware would even be considered for use.

No economy of scale there.

There is one, ( used on all Capcom pins ) and Gene found the programmer and was going to get it remade when he was going to do Kingpin. It was locked or something so it couldn't be copied. As far as I know it never got made.

The Circus Maximus working on Kingpin must have found a way around it with their own system running the game they showed at pinball shows.

Plan was they were doing Kingpin to fund their Pinball Circus project and PPS/CGC ? would use their stuff to to Do Big Bang Bar.

No word on any of this since pre covid shut downs, so all these projects might be dead.

LTG : )

I think CMG "just imported" to Capcoms code to P-ROC. That would mean some details must be proven and re-programmed.
Change the code to connect with RGB-Leds. Thats it. For sure a lot of work but not completely rewritten.

However ... my homemade BBBr runs very well. For me the software is , at least, nearly finished and good playable. My homebrew KPr its more tricky. The software is far away from "ready". Several dots are missing and the missions are playable but on a ball loss you will start the last mission again. I am sure, this is a bug and not a feature.

Good thing: (Not only) in the german community several people are able to programm WMS code. *IF* there is already WMS code for the BBB adaption, this might make living much easier to "redo" the software on WMS platform.

What I like on all WMS and Capcom original titles: You boot and 10 seconds later you can play. On P-ROC and all newer Computersystems you boot ... and it tooks very long until the boot is finished. In the old days we were talking about some 100 kbyte code, new games need Terrabytes

I am looking forward and have the feeling that there will show something up in the future !

Another speculative thread………..
Blah blah blah.

I am sure there is something going on.
For my BBB rebuild I had to use the Airborne apron and also the motor EMI break board is a design a friend made for me. It is fully working.
Yesterday I was looking in the shops for parts and suddenly found a NOS BBB apron and the missing motor EMI board at PPS.
Two options ... PPS found a box with BBB parts in a dark corner or someone is working in the background on parts.

https://www.planetarypinball.com/pinball-B0023200

It’s the first one. I talked to Rick a couple years ago when they were going through those boxes. That’s how long it took for them to actually list them for sale.
They’ve had these spare parts for years. Nothing is going on

oh give me a break. i'll bet your a blast at parties.

Another baseless rumour, I'll believe it when the games are built and start shipping. Been hearing this for years.....

If you're posting your friends stuff online, I bet you aren't invited to a lot of parties.

So is one of you having a party or not. you both keep talking about it and I have not gotten an invite yet

Can Pigs fly a second time???

you'd be surprised, not everyone is a stick in the mud.

I bought in on Gene's BBBr back in 04/05 at $4500 (#111). Owned it for about 12-13 years. Regrettably sold it then. I'd be all over BBBrr, especially with a few new tweaks (ie: MMr / MBr / AFMr).

I regret selling mine as well. Fun game to shoot great theme and callouts and it has character. Plus it sure is eye candy. I hope they make a whole lot more so much so it’s not “rare” anymore. That way the argument that this game is only desired because it’s rare will go away.

Miss mine. Gorgeous art with amazing sound and music. It will be interesting to see what improvements and/or extra is offered.

Yours was a beauty Kerry and the only BBB I've ever played. Such a cool game and you made the right call buying one for $4500 when I didn't have the stones to pull the trigger back then. I would definitely jump on a remake if it ever happens, never say never!

I feel like I've been around this hobby long enough now where theres a rumor for a long time, it might even get to the point where it seems like it was just not true, but then the rumors get stronger and stronger and the whispers get louder and boom, turns out its happening. I feel like this one has been smoldering for a long time but the smoke is really starting to take off, and where theres smoke, theres fire.

I'm confident there is a shit load of money to be made for a company that does the title. When is the real question.

If CGC is making it, we'll all be dead by the time they actual start shipping so it probably won't matter anyway.

Haggis would be an interesting wild card, but it's probably AP or Euro Pinball Corp